Forgiveness...

[tha malcontent™]

Forgiveness...

A Word.

What does it mean to you?

:)

peace...

[Cid the Engineer]

Letting go of the past.

Speaking of which, I'll let go of this guy and his buddy when they're behind bars for a long time.

http://www.news-journal.com/hp/content/news/stories/2009/03/05/03052009_Hotel_robbery.html?imw=Y

[gwhughes]

Somethingyou really want when you **** up. Something not so easily given when you get ****ed over.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Mal, As far as one's enemies are concerned, it's weakness in my personal opinion. I have always been an Old Testament guy, I don't love or forgive my enemies and I never will. Anyone who has killed those who I love on purpose, should die by the sword brutally. In this civilized life, that question only rarely comes up. Back in the day, it's a different story though.

Also, In regards to other more innocent issues in this life, I think it is a great ideal and it should without a doubt be considered. ~BH

[CID_0687]

Mal, As far as one's enemies are concerned, it's weakness in my personal opinion. I have always been an Old Testament guy, I don't love or forgive my enemies and I never will. Anyone who has killed those who I love on purpose, should die by the sword brutally. In this civilized life, that question only rarely comes up. Back in the day, it's a different story though.

Also, In regards to other more innocent issues in this life, I think it is a great ideal and it should without a doubt be considered. ~BH
Ahh.."Do unto others before they can do it to you."

Now we're talkin'. :D

Unlike our buddy BH I'm a New Testament guy...to a certain extent...When one wrongs us, we show mercy and compassion towards them, as we would hope someone would do if we wronged them...Jesus said turn the other cheek...the thing about that is, I've only got 4...so when I run out of cheeks, you've run out of chances...that the hypothetical "you" of course.










Legal disclaimer: The words and statements in this post become void if anyone should ever lay a hand on my wife or children...all bets are off, and the remains can be collected at the city morgue.

[sgtmac_46]

Letting go of the past.

Speaking of which, I'll let go of this guy and his buddy when they're behind bars for a long time.

http://www.news-journal.com/hp/content/news/stories/2009/03/05/03052009_Hotel_robbery.html?imw=Y You the victim of that?

[sgtmac_46]

Ahh.."Do unto others before they can do it to you."

Now we're talkin'. :D

Unlike our buddy BH I'm a New Testament guy...to a certain extent...When one wrongs us, we show mercy and compassion towards them, as we would hope someone would do if we wronged them...Jesus said turn the other cheek...the thing about that is, I've only got 4...so when I run out of cheeks, you've run out of chances...that the hypothetical "you" of course.










Legal disclaimer: The words and statements in this post become void if anyone should ever lay a hand on my wife or children...all bets are off, and the remains can be collected at the city morgue. I'm more of a Roman type guy myself.......put them to the sword, and forget they ever existed. I don't harbor a grudge against dead people......I let it go and enjoy life! :)

[stoked]

Well, it means you can empathize with someone who has tried to harm you but you wouldn't invite them to dinner. :))

[angelicmadrigal]

Something I NEVER do, or never ask for. I refuse to be swayed by an apology, and I refuse to sincerely apologize to any one else.

[stoked]

Something I NEVER do, or never ask for. I refuse to be swayed by an apology, and I refuse to sincerely apologize to any one else.

Honestly, I think expecting an apology or being obligated to one is one of the biggest hindrances to fence mending.

[Dreamy]

Forgiveness...

A Word.

What does it mean to you?

:)

peace...

Forgiveness is letting go of a past grievance. It is an decision made within ourselves about how we will face a past grievance in the future. You can forgive another and never actually interact with them. Often occurs in situations where the other person has died. Or perhaps the act of forgiveness is simply a gift one gives themselves. Because in truth,forgiveness is a gift to oneself more than to another.

[rory]

Those that won't forgive haven't had or at least think they have never needed forgiveness.
Someday they may run over a kid on a bike, as the mother looks them in the eye and says she will never forgive you for killing her child, then you can decide how you would like to let her have vengence.
I pray for those that won't learn to forgive.

[rob_b52]

Lets get to "The Heart Of The Matter"....

this thread cries out for a THEME SONG!!!!

"The Heart Of The Matter"...Don Henley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLgUuHl2xJo

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Ahh.."Do unto others before they can do it to you."

Now we're talkin'. :D

Unlike our buddy BH I'm a New Testament guy...to a certain extent...When one wrongs us, we show mercy and compassion towards them, as we would hope someone would do if we wronged them...Jesus said turn the other cheek...the thing about that is, I've only got 4...so when I run out of cheeks, you've run out of chances...that the hypothetical "you" of course.

You're a character Cid, but I like it. ;)

Legal disclaimer: The words and statements in this post become void if anyone should ever lay a hand on my wife or children...all bets are off, and the remains can be collected at the city morgue.

It always comes down to that my friend. We have to look at it as what would we do if it was our loved one? ~BH

[flowercopter]

I'm a very forgiving person.
I find it very difficult to be angry with people.

[ImNewHere]

Something I NEVER do, or never ask for. I refuse to be swayed by an apology, and I refuse to sincerely apologize to any one else.

I guess holding on to all that resentment is the reason you have so many medical issues that you keep posting about here. You could let go of some of that. But you're free to keep that boiling over inside of you while others go on living their lives happily.

[Pudge]

Forgiveness...

A Word.

What does it mean to you?

:)

peace...

Good question.

For me, forgiveness has been the easy part. Forgetting is another story. I can forgive someone who has wronged me, but it's difficult, depending on what was done, for me to ever trust that person again, or to rebuild any relationship that might have been there.

Certain things I will never forgive, like my sister's ex beating her. My dad had a 'chat' with him after he heard of it, my talking will be done with a log splitter to the kneecaps if I so much as see his face again.

[Pudge]

Mal, As far as one's enemies are concerned, it's weakness in my personal opinion. I have always been an Old Testament guy, I don't love or forgive my enemies and I never will. Anyone who has killed those who I love on purpose, should die by the sword brutally. In this civilized life, that question only rarely comes up. Back in the day, it's a different story though.

Also, In regards to other more innocent issues in this life, I think it is a great ideal and it should without a doubt be considered. ~BH

I agree with parts of this. In fact, the whole 'turn the other cheek' is one reason why I cannot fathom Christianity.

The Satanic Bible says that if someone smites you on one cheek, you smash them on the other. I tend to agree more with this, though I don't claim Satanism. There's a time and place for forgiveness. If someone wrongs you but is truly sorry and willing to make amends, I can see forgiveness as an option, but if someone does something that irreparably harms you or someone you love, forgiveness is definitely not in order.

[Pudge]

Those that won't forgive haven't had or at least think they have never needed forgiveness.
Someday they may run over a kid on a bike, as the mother looks them in the eye and says she will never forgive you for killing her child, then you can decide how you would like to let her have vengence.
I pray for those that won't learn to forgive.

If I ever took someone else's life, even accidentally, I wouldn't expect to be forgiven nor would I ask for it, because I know myself well enough that if someone did the same, again, even accidentally, I wouldn't be offering it.

[Pudge]

Lets get to "The Heart Of The Matter"....

this thread cries out for a THEME SONG!!!!

"The Heart Of The Matter"...Don Henley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLgUuHl2xJo

Ironically, I've never forgiven Don Henley for years of horrible music, and this song is one of his worst.

[Pudge]

I'm a very forgiving person.
I find it very difficult to be angry with people.

Not forgiving doesn't mean that you're angry with someone eternally. There are a few people in my life who I will not forgive their transgressions, but I don't stew in anger 24/7 or even dwell on the matter.

[grapabeaux]

I don't have the time tonight to go into great detail, but I think people should be careful about what they offer forgiveness for.

Rough example: if a mother loses a son to a murder by another, the mother has the right to forgive the killer of the grief he caused her. She does not have the right to forgive the killer for the harm done to her son.

I realize this may be entering the realm of counting devils on a matchstick and other irrelevancies, but if we're meting out justice, these kinds of deliniations are important.

In short, no one has the right to forgive the sins commited against someone other than themselves.

[Seanachie]

This is a snipped quote of my own words from a thread in the OO. Just my attempt to avoid redundancy.

One of the toughest things you will ever do in your lifetime will be to 'give' forgiveness and never be to proud to accept the forgiveness that comes your way from any source.

When you look at your own face through your minds-eye; you will inherently know where that should apply from either direction.

I have long since discovered the release of joy forgiveness has on my Soul. Again, from either direction. Forgiveness is a super highway and by no means, one-way. No one knows you better than you and the only advice I can give is to gaze deeply inside and do what you inherently already know is the right thing to do for your very own Soul.

Jim

Many years ago, on the evening of the Oklahoma City bombing by McVeigh, I was the recipient of an aggravated assault. (Not in any way related to that bombing or anywhere near it).

A brief glimpse in the mirror is a harsh reminder of that assault. I forgave the Guy in Court before the Judge sentenced him to five years in jail. I did NOT ask the Judge to grant any leniency; and the Judge sentenced him just short of the max. He (the assailant) deserved this comeuppence. My forgiveness was for my own benefit. Nothing more, nothing less. It relieved a burden for me. I could care less what it did for the guy who went to jail; other than I hope my words preceding his sentencing in Court still haunt him.

Most anything is a double edged sword; as is this, along with what 'forgiveness' means to me.

Jim

[sgtmac_46]

Something I NEVER do, or never ask for. I refuse to be swayed by an apology, and I refuse to sincerely apologize to any one else. You must be fun at family reunions.......:eek:

[sgtmac_46]

Those that won't forgive haven't had or at least think they have never needed forgiveness.
Someday they may run over a kid on a bike, as the mother looks them in the eye and says she will never forgive you for killing her child, then you can decide how you would like to let her have vengence.
I pray for those that won't learn to forgive.
It's her choice to forgive or not, and having forgiveness in your own life won't make her forgive you any easier. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

If I ever took someone else's life, even accidentally, I wouldn't expect to be forgiven nor would I ask for it, because I know myself well enough that if someone did the same, again, even accidentally, I wouldn't be offering it. That's the way I see it.

[sgtmac_46]

Not forgiving doesn't mean that you're angry with someone eternally. There are a few people in my life who I will not forgive their transgressions, but I don't stew in anger 24/7 or even dwell on the matter. That's it exactly!

Me, I choose who I forgive, and if I decide i'll never forgive a person (I don't hold grudges against folks I care about) they're just never going to be forgiven, and are considered dead to me, almost as if they never existed.

I've had people who I despised who are now dead. I didn't forgive them, but i'm not angry with them.......why would someone angry at worm food?

He who dies pays all debts to the living.

[sgtmac_46]

I don't have the time tonight to go into great detail, but I think people should be careful about what they offer forgiveness for.

Rough example: if a mother loses a son to a murder by another, the mother has the right to forgive the killer of the grief he caused her. She does not have the right to forgive the killer for the harm done to her son.

I realize this may be entering the realm of counting devils on a matchstick and other irrelevancies, but if we're meting out justice, these kinds of deliniations are important.

In short, no one has the right to forgive the sins commited against someone other than themselves. Oh no, you're right.....it's a VERY important distinction......you can ONLY forgive for your personal grief, not what has been done to others.

[smyrna]

Letting go of the past.

Speaking of which, I'll let go of this guy and his buddy when they're behind bars for a long time.

http://www.news-journal.com/hp/content/news/stories/2009/03/05/03052009_Hotel_robbery.html?imw=Y

Is OJ out?:D

[ImNewHere]

Anger and resentment (unresolved anger) is like an acid that eats its container from the inside out. So if you want to hold on to all that, you'll see where it eventually leads.

Or you can just do what normal people do... just let it go. It ain't worth it. You gonna let that anger take you down? Wow! That sure shows them, doesn't it?

[Talk2Bill]

i just let things go. i almost never keep any anger or resentment in me for more than a few moments. and never for more than a day or two.

[Pudge]

Anger can be let go of, but don't mistake letting anger go for forgiveness. When you forgive someone you are absolving them of whatever deed they did that brought you harm.

[tha malcontent™]

I have been and will continue to Read...

Thanks for everyone's Input...

:)

peace...

[sgtmac_46]

Is OJ out?:D

No......but perhaps the suspects could be Nicole and Ron's REAL killers? :think:

:))

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I agree with parts of this. In fact, the whole 'turn the other cheek' is one reason why I cannot fathom Christianity.

Pudge, Yeah, That was the problem that I had with Christianity. I grew up and even as a younger Man, a Christian, but I struggled with the love your enemies and forgiveness policy. Finally, I had to stand by my own evolved beliefs which are more in balance with Natural Law. That is why I have always admired the Old Testament, because of the eye for an eye Law.

The Satanic Bible says that if someone smites you on one cheek, you smash them on the other. I tend to agree more with this, though I don't claim Satanism. There's a time and place for forgiveness. If someone wrongs you but is truly sorry and willing to make amends, I can see forgiveness as an option, but if someone does something that irreparably harms you or someone you love, forgiveness is definitely not in order.

I agree bro. ~BH

[rob_b52]

Ironically, I've never forgiven Don Henley for years of horrible music, and this song is one of his worst.

I would say horrible things to you right now.... terrible things to hurt your feelings and make you cry like a little pudgy girl. I would say the things that make you feel really bad about yourself..... but I wont..

I FORGIVE YOU..... pudge.... I forgive you my man. why? because I really dont like the song either, I just thought it fit the thread...

[ImNewHere]

Anger can be let go of, but don't mistake letting anger go for forgiveness. When you forgive someone you are absolving them of whatever deed they did that brought you harm.

Have you ever screwed up and felt bad about it? You ever wish someone would let you apologize, make amends or whatever and move on with no hard feelings? If so, then others deserve the same treatment.

However, if you get screwed over and they don't give a rat's behind, then you just don't get mad, you get even.

[Pudge]

Have you ever screwed up and felt bad about it?

Of course.

You ever wish someone would let you apologize, make amends or whatever and move on with no hard feelings? If so, then others deserve the same treatment.

That would depend on how badly I screwed the pooch. If I made an honest mistake and as a result, someone else was hurt in some way- physical, emotional, financially- and I did my best to make up for it, I wouldn't expect to be forgiven, but in my heart I hope that I would be. But, if I did something intentionally evil, dishonest, or treacherous to someone else I have zero place asking to be forgiven or hoping it at all.

However, if you get screwed over and they don't give a rat's behind, then you just don't get mad, you get even.

I remember the name and the face of every person who has ever wronged me willfully and intentionally going back to 5th grade. I may or may not exact revenge on one or several. Depends on whether or not I have the opportunity and whether or not I can get away with it. Sometimes karma takes care of things, sometimes she needs a helping hand.

[ImNewHere]

That would depend on how badly I screwed the pooch.

:eek:

That's between you and the dog. :razz:

If I made an honest mistake and as a result, someone else was hurt in some way- physical, emotional, financially- and I did my best to make up for it, I wouldn't expect to be forgiven, but in my heart I hope that I would be.

And that's the point. If you did what you could to make amends and would hope for forgiveness, then others deserve the same treatment.

I remember the name and the face of every person who has ever wronged me willfully and intentionally going back to 5th grade. I may or may not exact revenge on one or several. Depends on whether or not I have the opportunity and whether or not I can get away with it. Sometimes karma takes care of things, sometimes she needs a helping hand.

Thankfully, I have never put a picture up of me. You have my name (ImNewHere), but not my face. So there's a pretty good chance I'm not on that list.

[drylok]

There is no forgiveness only revenge

[Samm]

I'm a very forgiving person.
I find it very difficult to be angry with people.

Odd... I consider myself very forgiving too, but I can easily get very angry with people... I just cannot hang on to it very long.

[drylok]

... I just cannot hang on to it very long.

I can, it keeps me warm.

[gwhughes]

C. Thomas Howell? aka Robert the Wolverine.

[Pudge]

And that's the point. If you did what you could to make amends and would hope for forgiveness, then others deserve the same treatment.

I hold myself to the same standard I hold others to. I can tell the difference between someone making an honest mistake and someojne intentionally doing something harmful to me or mine. I can always tell when someone is genuinely sorry, too. It's a case by case basis, but someone who has deliberately screwed me over or intentionally hurt me somehow doesn't merit forgiveness.

Thankfully, I have never put a picture up of me. You have my name (ImNewHere), but not my face. So there's a pretty good chance I'm not on that list.

Hehehe, well, you have to really do something to earn a spot on that list. The only people online I would like to club senseless and leave laying bleeding in the moonlight are the people who invent malware that mess up your computers. I honeslty think the government should track these people down and send in a special warfare group to take these people out permanently.

[gwhughes]

They should be tracked down and forgiven. Haha.

[tha malcontent™]

I remember the name and the face of every person who has ever wronged me willfully and intentionally going back to 5th grade. I may or may not exact revenge on one or several. Depends on whether or not I have the opportunity and whether or not I can get away with it. Sometimes karma takes care of things, sometimes she needs a helping hand.

Damn... Pudge gonna get Mideval on some ******-****ers!...

:)

peace...

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Damn... Pudge gonna get Mideval on some ******-****ers!...

:)

peace...

"Forgiveness, Forgiveness.........Even if, Even if, Mal don't love me anymore"

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/Rocks.gif ~BH

[Samm]

I can, it keeps me warm.

The way I understand it, if you do not forgive you may well keep warm through all eternity. ;)

[Rhonda]

It is very very hard to do many times..but it ultimately comes down to making a choice to live without the burden of holding onto the hate dished out by some act or lack of action...once you choose to do it...you can actually feel the burden lift, and feel peace beyond your imagination..hanging onto unforgiveness only adds to grief and steals your peace

It is the hardest to forgive ones self. But I can forgive even myself with the help of the One who forgives me

[nikoloslvy]

Forgiveness...

A Word.

What does it mean to you?



disloyalty to me will not be forgoten and shall not go unpunished.i am not the united states government.i do not have to be fair with my personal relationships.i follow a moral code and if you know me you know it. should i be crossed do not insult me by asking for forgiveness. in the future do not cross me as obviously in the present and past you couldn't help yourself vermin.

[Rhonda]

disloyalty to me will not be forgoten and shall not go unpunished.i am not the united states government.i do not have to be fair with my personal relationships.i follow a moral code and if you know me you know it. should i be crossed do not insult me by asking for forgiveness. in the future do not cross me as obviously in the present and past you couldn't help yourself vermin.


I do not forget either, I can forgive someone, and also never trust them again... and forgiving someone..does not mean they go unpunished

I do not have to forgive a government...for doing the work of iniquity ;)

I agree with the moral code..I too have a standard and a line that one does not want to cross..while I give chance after chance..trust becomes an issue. Therefore, my guard will always be up

[nikoloslvy]

I do not forget either, I can forgive someone, and also never trust them again... and forgiving someone..does not mean they go unpunished

I do not have to forgive a government...for doing the work of iniquity ;)

I agree with the moral code..I too have a standard and a line that one does not want to cross..while I give chance after chance..trust becomes an issue. Therefore, my guard will always be up

ahh my number 1 fan.
thanks for reading my post :)

[nikoloslvy]

:)

[soupdragon]

The preacher's, Sunday sermon was, "Forgive Your Enemies" He asked, how many have forgiven their enemies?

About half held up their hands. He then repeated his question. Now about 80 percent held up their hands. He then repeated his question. All responded, except one elderly lady.

"Mrs. Jones, are you not willing to forgive your enemies?"

"I don't have any."

"Mrs. Jones, that is very unusual. How old are you?"

"Ninety-three." she replied.

"Mrs. Jones, please come down in front and tell the congregation how a person cannot have an enemy in the world."

The little sweetheart of a lady tottered down the aisle, and said: "It's easy, I just outlived those bitches."

[Rhonda]

ahh my number 1 fan.
thanks for reading my post :)

Bless you nikoloslvy :)

[Rhonda]

The preacher's, Sunday sermon was, "Forgive Your Enemies" He asked, how many have forgiven their enemies?

About half held up their hands. He then repeated his question. Now about 80 percent held up their hands. He then repeated his question. All responded, except one elderly lady.

"Mrs. Jones, are you not willing to forgive your enemies?"

"I don't have any."

"Mrs. Jones, that is very unusual. How old are you?"

"Ninety-three." she replied.

"Mrs. Jones, please come down in front and tell the congregation how a person cannot have an enemy in the world."

The little sweetheart of a lady tottered down the aisle, and said: "It's easy, I just outlived those bitches."

:))

Soup, you are priceless

[soupdragon]

:))

Soup, you are priceless

Little old dears have lived and don't just suck soft boiled sweets :))