Mr. "TelePrompter" the word reader president

[matt875]

The truth is slowly coming out and it's reminiscent of the Wizard of Oz. Is it possible that many Americans have voted for a figment of their own imagination?...is all the soaring rhetoric, the halted, choppy delivery, poses to the left, poses to the right nothing more than a bad case of Obama TelePrompter addiction?

Is it possible that Obama is not a very good speaker after all, if you take away his Teleprompter? Rumor is he doesn't want to speak without it?

Like Dorothy, realizing that the great and mighty Wizard of Oz is not who he presents himself to be, if we peek behind the curtain, could that also be the case with Obama?

Could Obama have been elected without the crutch of his Tele?

Come to think of it, during the debates with Hillary, McCain and others, whenever Obama was asked tough questions (and he had no telepromter), he usually just agreed with the answers of others, rarely if ever having any original replies of his own?

Without his marketing speech writers, patriotic props and carefully crafted image...Who is the real Obama anyway?

Is he really change we can believe in? or Just a fairly accomplished reader of words, well-timed smiles, and series of very conscious Mt Rushmore-like poses for the camera?

I wonder why Obama finds it so difficult to function without the support of his image-enabling TelePrompter?

Maybe he is not even who he portays himself to be?

Hmmm, he does seems much more radical in his recent spending and social engineering proposals than he did as the carefully scripted, word reader candidate Obama.

[VirusX999]

Just like his voters, he needs to be told what to say and believe in.

Eventually, people are going to wise up, and realize obama is lacking in the intelligence department.

[matt875]

Just like his voters, he needs to be told what to say and believe in.

Eventually, people are going to wise up, and realize obama is lacking in the intelligence department.


I agree. Just hope he and his puppet master image makers don't destroy our economy and country before Americans wake up, realize how radical Obama really is and demand much better solutions to our challenges.

[Chuangtzu]

When Americans are familiar with the work and practice of Frances Yates, and can regularly use the Palace of Memory, perhaps this deeply stupid issue won't be grist for the mill.

[matt875]

To which "deeply stupid issue" do you refer? and also "Grist" for what "mill".

Perhaps you can tells us briefly how and why Yates and the Palace of Memory applies?

[Chuangtzu]

To which "deeply stupid issue" do you refer? and also "Grist" for what "mill".

The issue of the use of exosomatic promps.

Perhaps you can tells us briefly how and why Yates and the Palace of Memory applies?

Because, barring the memory skill level of Shakespearean actors and Roman system trained rhetors, most modern persons depend on exosomatic memory.

Frances Yates wrote the classic text on developing human memory, including how to employ a version of the Memory Palace.

[sosbillncarolyn]

KINDA LIKE THE MOVIE "MEET DAVE" THAT EDDIE MURPHY STARS IN.

WHERE DAVE HAS ALIENS CONTROLLING FROM WITHIN. SO BARACK HAS PELOSI, REID AND GEORGE SOROS IN THE FORM OF A FAMILY OF ALIENS CONTROLLING HIM FROM WITHIN.. I WOULD SAY HE EVEN MIGHT BE SUFFERING FROM SOMETHING CALLED:

SOROOSIS OF THE MIND....:eek:

[jackson Mill]

Is it, perhaps, that presenting a of unanswered questions can become annoying?

Was are former president's speaking ability better?

Did every president in the last 50 years have speech writers and a physical copy with them?

Is the cannon of memory in rhetoric strictly calling for one to remember their intended statement and speak eloquently? (that is one is a no)

Is the eloquence of a speaking more important than the argument placed forward?

How does the average person fare when speaking public on complex issues that they are forced to simplify?

WILL THE WORLD EVER KNOW!!!!!! Dum Dum Dah!!!!!!!!

[Chuangtzu]

jM,

That is either a genuinely brilliant demonstration, or the bestest unintended irony - ever.

With respect, either way,

~ Tzu

[jaggy]

Obama is great with words but his word mean nothing he preach to the choirs but he doesn't practice what he teach.

[sosbillncarolyn]

THIS GOES ALONG WITH THE SORROSIS:
:eek:
personality disorder that “revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements.”

[matt875]

Is it, perhaps, that presenting a of unanswered questions can become annoying?

Was are former president's speaking ability better?

Did every president in the last 50 years have speech writers and a physical copy with them?

Is the cannon of memory in rhetoric strictly calling for one to remember their intended statement and speak eloquently? (that is one is a no)

Is the eloquence of a speaking more important than the argument placed forward?

How does the average person fare when speaking public on complex issues that they are forced to simplify?

WILL THE WORLD EVER KNOW!!!!!! Dum Dum Dah!!!!!!!!

Has the public perception and opinion of any president in history ever been so defined by their perceived superior oratorical skills as Obama? Only to discover that, without his script, read verbatim he would struggle to communicate effectively at all?

[matt875]

You describe Obama perfectly

[matt875]

THIS GOES ALONG WITH THE SORROSIS:
:eek:
personality disorder that “revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements.”


What an accurate description of Obama

[sosbillncarolyn]

MORE ABOUT HIS SOROOSIS:

…Obama is not seen by his admirers as a politician but as something holy.(SPARE ME) Klein says “He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh.” The truth is that Obama is nothing but words! What is scary is that so many smart people are willing to fall for his empty words……………….:boohoo::boohoo:
Obama needs his foes. They exaggerate the problems. They make everything look gloomy. They lie, cheat and slander their opponents while casting themselves as the saviors of the nation.

[matt875]

MORE ABOUT HIS SOROOSIS:

…Obama is not seen by his admirers as a politician but as something holy.(SPARE ME) Klein says “He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh.” The truth is that Obama is nothing but words! What is scary is that so many smart people are willing to fall for his empty words……………….:boohoo::boohoo:

"What is scary is that so many smart people are willing to fall for his empty words"......You are right. It is totally amazing and shocking to me that so many people have become believers in Obama as a kind of savior...kind of reminds me of a cult.

[Blindeye101]

Lets Compare Jindil with out a teleprompter to Obama.

[Kiwidude]

So there was a teleprompter used for his speech last week?

[sosbillncarolyn]

more about soorosis:

They want power and will do and say anything to get it. Their words mean nothing to them. They do not intend to keep them. They look into your eyes and swear on a stack of Bibles that they are not going to do something when that is exactly what they intend to do. They break their promises when it suits them and annul their treaties when they can get away with it.
Obama’s gaffes in history and world affairs are proof of that. This man does not even know the number of states in the USA, or that Canada does not have a president. That is why Vaknin says a narcissist is a shallow pond that pretends to be an ocean. Obama’s ignorance about what should be common knowledge is mind boggling.

Obama said about his “calling:” “Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me,” he said of his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church of Christ. “I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth.”…………….
…………He is empty in substance but full on promises. Obama has not proposed a single concrete workable plan, but he has raised the hopes and expectations of millions of people with his promises. The glorious tomorrow that he offers is no more real than the Styrofoam Greek columns that adorned his image during his acceptance speech. ……

[AvgGuyIA]

Wasn't there a movie by Robert Redford, "The Candidate", about a guy who charismatic and is run for President? He wins the election and his first question out of his mouth to his handlers was "What do I do now?"?

O**** is that guy it seems.

[matt875]

more about soorosis:

They want power and will do and say anything to get it. Their words mean nothing to them. They do not intend to keep them. They look into your eyes and swear on a stack of Bibles that they are not going to do something when that is exactly what they intend to do. They break their promises when it suits them and annul their treaties when they can get away with it.
Obama’s gaffes in history and world affairs are proof of that. This man does not even know the number of states in the USA, or that Canada does not have a president. That is why Vaknin says a narcissist is a shallow pond that pretends to be an ocean. Obama’s ignorance about what should be common knowledge is mind boggling.

Obama said about his “calling:” “Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me,” he said of his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church of Christ. “I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth.”…………….
…………He is empty in substance but full on promises. Obama has not proposed a single concrete workable plan, but he has raised the hopes and expectations of millions of people with his promises. The glorious tomorrow that he offers is no more real than the Styrofoam Greek columns that adorned his image during his acceptance speech. ……

Re: "his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church"...and 20+yrs listening to Jeremiah Wright spew forth anti-american venom and have clearly left their mark on Obama's psyche and it's now clear that Obama intends to our destroy capitalism and replace it with Trinity Church style socialism....redistribution of all successful Americans hard earned wealth, not to mention complete ruin of our retirement savings.

[matt875]

Wasn't there a movie by Robert Redford, "The Candidate", about a guy who charismatic and is run for President? He wins the election and his first question out of his mouth to his handlers was "What do I do now?"?

O**** is that guy it seems.


Wow, you got that right. Soooo true!

[nobamayomama]

Has the public perception and opinion of any president in history ever been so defined by their perceived superior oratorical skills as Obama? Only to discover that, without his script, read verbatim he would struggle to communicate effectively at all?

I bet Clinton is reeling. Didn't they prop him up for his "oratorical" skills too? We all know they are mesmerized by how he delivers his lies.

Only yesterday, the news revealed outright LIES and spins in his words, but I guess as long as he "sounds" good and "looks" good, we're screwed.

There are many, however, who are realizing he is not the person they voted for. I think Obama is trying to get all this stuff done this year for a reason - before he's really found out. It's like, why all the hurry?

[matt875]

I bet Clinton is reeling. Didn't they prop him up for his "oratorical" skills too? We all know they are mesmerized by how he delivers his lies.

Only yesterday, the news revealed outright LIES and spins in his words, but I guess as long as he "sounds" good and "looks" good, we're screwed.

There are many, however, who are realizing he is not the person they voted for. I think Obama is trying to get all this stuff done this year for a reason - before he's really found out. It's like, why all the hurry?


I agree with you, Bill Clinton was full of charisma, charm and the ability to speak convincingly on his issues. One big difference though between Clinton and Obama, remember Obama absolutely REFUSED to participate with John McCain in ANY town hall meetings where he could be revealed for the inexperienced politician that he is. Clinton on the other hand, knows how to speak on his feet as well as anyone ever has and is not a slave to the telepromter the way Obama is.

Think about it, Obama avoided town hall meeting with of all people, John McCain, hardly a titan in the world of oratory.

Now we are stuck with Mr TelePrompter for 4 yrs.

[Talk2Bill]

Obama is HOOKED ON PHONICS! (and Marxism)

[Vaard]

if i use a kindle, am i still reading a book?

[matt875]

if i use a kindle, am i still reading a book?

Sure you're still reading a book:eh:

Speaking of books, Obama claims to have read the masterful biography by Doris Kearn Goodwin, "Team of Rivals, The political genius of Abraham Lincoln" and Lincoln was an honest and gifted thinker, speaker and gentleman.

I noticed that Obama tries to put himself in the company of a great man like Lincoln every time he can. What a joke. Obama will never rise to the stature of Lincoln who spoke and acted in the best interest of all Americans......noit like Obama who is looking more and more like a radical left wing partisan demagogue by every passing minute.

[who]

Anyone who thinks he's not an exceptional speaker, has not watched him in person.

Just another silly, false way for you folks to justify your hatred of him

[Thank you Troops]

Obama - The orator. :)) Just another decepton from the left.

[matt875]

Anyone who thinks he's not an exceptional speaker, has not watched him in person.

Just another silly, false way for you folks to justify your hatred of him


You totally miss the point....all agree he is an exceptional speaker...but only as long as he has his teleprompter training wheels and security blanket. Otherwise he is fearful that his image will be ****tered on stage and the world will see him for who he really is.

I don't hate the man. But I do believe he is a dishonest left wing liberal political hack

[teekay]

Even yahoo has a story about this on their main page:

Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small.

After the teleprompter malfunctioned a few times last summer and Obama delivered some less-than-soaring speeches, reports surfaced that he was training to wean himself off of the device while on vacation in Hawaii. But no such luck.“It’s just something presidents haven’t done,” said Martha Joynt Kumar, a presidential historian who has held court in the White House since December 1975. “It’s jarring to the eye. In a way, it stands in the middle between the audience and the president because his eye is on the teleprompter.”

Just how much of a crutch the teleprompter has become for Obama was on sharp display during his latest commerce secretary announcement. The president spoke from a teleprompter in the ornate Indian Treaty Room for a few minutes. Then Gov. Gary Locke stepped to the podium and pulled out a piece of paper for reference.

The president’s teleprompter also elicited some uncomfortable laughter after he announced Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as his choice for Health and Human Services secretary. “Kathy,” Obama said, turning the podium over to Sebelius, who waited at the microphone for an awkward few seconds while the teleprompters were lowered to the floor and the television cameras rolled.
Obama has relied on a teleprompter through even the shortest announcements and when repeating the same lines on his economic stimulus plan that he's been saying for months — whereas past presidents have mostly worked off of notes on the podium except during major speeches, such as the State of the Union.
He's like Linus and his security blanket. Can't leave home without it.

[teekay]

Anyone who thinks he's not an exceptional speaker, has not watched him in person.

Just another silly, false way for you folks to justify your hatred of him

Anyone who thinks he is an exceptional speaker has not watched him flail around without his teleprompter.

Just another silly, false way for you folks to justify your adoration of him.

[who]

Have you watched him in person teekay?

[teekay]

Have you watched him in person teekay?

no.

I am assuming you have?

And I am sure he read from his teleprompter quite well.

Being able to read from a teleprompter and being an "exceptional speaker" are two different things. An "exceptional speaker" can speak exceptionally WITHOUT a teleprompter. Obama can't.

[obomanation]

Have you watched him in person teekay?

What a utterly horrendous press conference on Monday night of the passage of the Stimulus. It's like he is afraid to answer any question because his mind is doing search and counter search for anything that might be construed as an actual position and stance from which he may have to retreat from later.

Everyone fawns all over him for saying....huh, huh...nothing. When has he ever said a coherent sentence without stuttering?

The alien inside his brain wants to come out and play and he knows it.

He is like watching a mental patient before he cracks up and admits this was all a hoax and conspiracy.

Do you have that Monday night script - the uncleaned version? How he could speak for 10 minutes for each question - means he will get less questions? And somehow this is brilliance?

Phooey on your faux intellectualism.

How to handle a question you don't want to answer?

"I'd sure hate for you to waste your question!" What crap is that? This is the freakin leader of the Free World? Doesn't look like it.

[who]

no.

I am assuming you have?

And I am sure he read from his teleprompter quite well.

Being able to read from a teleprompter and being an "exceptional speaker" are two different things. An "exceptional speaker" can speak exceptionally WITHOUT a teleprompter. Obama can't.
Yes, I did see him in person. In front of many cameras.

There were no teleprompters. The man is especially gifted in speaking.

As I relayed here before, I went to the event (where I was literally inches away from him) without strong feelings about voting for him going in, or coming out, but I was most certainly impressed with his ability to articulate his thoughts and handle many tough questions from the group gathered.

Anybody who has witness him in person would know his skill in this arena.

This is a Rove-style attack. Go after his strength and cut it down into tiny chewable, hate-filled pieces.

[who]

obamanation: You make the pie higher.

[teekay]

Yes, I did see him in person. In front of many cameras.

There were no teleprompters. The man is especially gifted in speaking.

As I relayed here before, I went to the event (where I was literally inches away from him) without strong feelings about voting for him going in, or coming out, but I was most certainly impressed with his ability to articulate his thoughts and handle many tough questions from the group gathered.

Anybody who has witness him in person would know his skill in this arena.

This is a Rove-style attack. Go after his strength and cut it down into tiny chewable, hate-filled pieces.

No teleprompters?

The man uses teleprompters to introduce Cabinet nominees and for 6 minute remarks. He took his teleprompter to the middle of a rodeo ring for crying out loud. But you just happened to catch him without his teleprompter? :rolleyes:

[who]

No teleprompters?

The man uses teleprompters to introduce Cabinet nominees and for 6 minute remarks. He took his teleprompter to the middle of a rodeo ring for crying out loud. But you just happened to catch him without his teleprompter? :rolleyes:
Yes. No teleprompters.
Sorry it messes up your negative rant.

[teekay]

Yes. No teleprompters.
Sorry it messes up your negative rant.

There are plenty of clips online that show what a horrible speaker he is without his teleprompter.

There are plenty of articles from a whole slew of sources about him being more dependent on his teleprompter than any president ever.

Sorry that they mess up your claim that he was a fantastic speaker without his teleprompter.

[ka2008]

Yes, I did see him in person. In front of many cameras.

There were no teleprompters. The man is especially gifted in speaking.

As I relayed here before, I went to the event (where I was literally inches away from him) without strong feelings about voting for him going in, or coming out, but I was most certainly impressed with his ability to articulate his thoughts and handle many tough questions from the group gathered.

Anybody who has witness him in person would know his skill in this arena.

This is a Rove-style attack. Go after his strength and cut it down into tiny chewable, hate-filled pieces.


No, he is NOT gifted in speaking...Paaaaaaalease. He reads the teleprompters ..and in the past if they were down he immediately started in with the Uh, Um uh uh uh ...
Want me to find them on youtube? I'm sure I can.

[teekay]

Yes. No teleprompters.
Sorry it messes up your negative rant.

President Barack Obama doesn’t go anywhere without his TelePrompter.

The textbook-sized panes of glass holding the president’s prepared remarks follow him wherever he speaks.

After the teleprompter malfunctioned a few times last summer and Obama delivered some less-than-soaring speeches, reports surfaced that he was training to wean himself off of the device while on vacation in Hawaii. But no such luck.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19663.html

But yeah, keep claiming you saw him without the teleprompter and he was just such an EXCEPTIONAL speaker. :rolleyes:

[snagswolf]

I'm Barack Obama?



Dammit. Who typed a question mark on the Teleprompter?

[who]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19663.html

But yeah, keep claiming you saw him without the teleprompter and he was just such an EXCEPTIONAL speaker. :rolleyes:
You seem to be implying I am not telling the truth.

[aep1974]

I started another post about this with this link to an article about Obama's use of the teleprompter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090305/pl_politico/19663

[teekay]

You seem to be implying I am not telling the truth.

The fact that he is an exceptional speaker is a matter of opinion, isn't it? I disagree with that opinion.

All I did was point out that there is a lot of evidence that states the opposite of what you said.

[obomanation]

You seem to be implying I am not telling the truth.

More like hiding from it.

Go back to the Monday night of the passage of the Stimulus. That was painful to watch.

10 minute answers? He is not believable when he speaks.

Peek aboo - I see you!

[snagswolf]

You seem to be implying I am not telling the truth.
You seem to be implying we should take your version of what happened without question.


BTW, nice attempt at baiting someone into getting a ban.

You should be proud.

[who]

You seem to be implying we should take your version of what happened without question.


BTW, nice attempt at baiting someone into getting a ban.

You should be proud.
Both he/she and now you are telling me you basically don't believe me.

I note that, and it's baiting. It's wild here, I tell you.

[teekay]

You seem to be implying we should take your version of what happened without question.


BTW, nice attempt at baiting someone into getting a ban.

You should be proud.

Didn't take the bait.

Just trying to be fair and balanced and cited stories where most others had another version of Obama's speaking ability.

If she has a problem at all, it should be with Politico, yahoo, the clips of Obamas speeches, etc that tell another story.

[snagswolf]

Both he/she and now you are telling me you basically don't believe me.
You have never demonstrated a point of view that has a basis in reality, so why should we take your word that your version of this event actually happened the way you describe it?

I'm sure you actually believe the story you're telling. That doesn't mean I have to believe it.

[who]

You have never demonstrated a point of view that has a basis in reality, so why should we take your word that your version of this event actually happened the way you describe it?

I'm sure you actually believe the story you're telling. That doesn't mean I have to believe it.
How often does someone prove me wrong here? I'll wait. Evidence would be nice.

Now this case here is one I cannot prove to you, because I cannot link the incident I witnessed. I cannot find the short interview that the Fox News person and cameraman did with me after the event, and no - I won't show you what Obama signed for me after and discuss what we talked about when I had my chance (that last part being meaningless to the discussion at hand, but just thought I'd throw it in. :).

If you contact some of the camera people that covered the events during the NH primary, they might be able to help you out. You seem to forget we get to see a lot of out candidates here in NH. Retail politics as they call it. We are blessed to have this opportunity here. Too bad you missed it.

Did you miss all those debates too? He handled a ton of them. You think he had a teleprompter then?

You don't believe the true incident I relayed to you - that's your problem, not mine.

My integrity and authenticity here, no matter your attempts to cut it down, speaks for itself.

[tinydancer]

Didn't take the bait.

Just trying to be fair and balanced and cited stories where most others had another version of Obama's speaking ability.

If she has a problem at all, it should be with Politico, yahoo, the clips of Obamas speeches, etc that tell another story.

In all honesty, I fear for some who have really truly put their faith, ideals, hopes and dreams into this Presidency because there is no doubt it is going to crash and burn.

Heck, we are less than 50 days into this administration and there have been how many faux pas (there are other words but I'll be nice).

This teleprompter issue will become worse as it becomes more apparent that the President cannot give a coherent Press Conference.

[KeithBlubberman]

Yes, I did see him in person. In front of many cameras.

There were no teleprompters. The man is especially gifted in speaking.

As I relayed here before, I went to the event (where I was literally inches away from him) without strong feelings about voting for him going in, or coming out, but I was most certainly impressed with his ability to articulate his thoughts and handle many tough questions from the group gathered.

Anybody who has witness him in person would know his skill in this arena.

This is a Rove-style attack. Go after his strength and cut it down into tiny chewable, hate-filled pieces.

Well, you are correct on ONE thing - he is good at speaking, but not much else. All blow and no action...oops...not to be mistaken with his fondness for using/selling blow and other pharmaceuticals.

You mean you didn't get a "tingle" down your leg when you were just inches away from the Messiah???

[KeithBlubberman]

How often does someone prove me wrong here? I'll wait. Evidence would be nice.

Now this case here is one I cannot prove to you, because I cannot link the incident I witnessed. I cannot find the short interview that the Fox News person and cameraman did with me after the event, and no - I won't show you what Obama signed for me after and discuss what we talked about when I had my chance (that last part being meaningless to the discussion at hand, but just thought I'd throw it in. :).

If you contact some of the camera people that covered the events during the NH primary, they might be able to help you out. You seem to forget we get to see a lot of out candidates here in NH. Retail politics as they call it. We are blessed to have this opportunity here. Too bad you missed it.

Did you miss all those debates too? He handled a ton of them. You think he had a teleprompter then?

You don't believe the true incident I relayed to you - that's your problem, not mine.

My integrity and authenticity here, no matter your attempts to cut it down, speaks for itself.

I was at a function where I was just inches from the Messiah and he couldn't complete a whole sentence without stuttering and using "uh uh" multiple times....... and he had lipstick on and I'd almost swear some eyeliner too.

[who]

I was at a function where I was just inches from the Messiah and he couldn't complete a whole sentence without stuttering and using "uh uh" multiple times....... and he had lipstick on and I'd almost swear some eyeliner too.
...and then you woke up.

[KeithBlubberman]

...and then you woke up.

As did you.

[who]

As did you.
Do you find it remarkable people actually get to meet & witness presidential candidates in NH during primary season?

I also went to a McCain Rally a few weeks after that. As mentioned earlier, Obama did not earn my vote after that event, but I was highly impressed with his style and speaking ability.

I have been a political junkie for a long time now, and it takes a lot to impress us NH folk. Seeing these guys come round every four years and knowing they are just down the block on any given day is old hat now.

I have spoke to, shaken hands and attended events of every major and (many minor) presidential candidate since 1980. I like to have the opportunity to look into the eye of a candidate before I vote for him.

People in other parts of the country really hate the NH primaries.

We love it. Here, we take our politics seriously.

[KeithBlubberman]

Do you find it remarkable people actually get to meet & witness presidential candidates in NH during primary season?

I also went to a McCain Rally a few weeks after that. As mentioned earlier, Obama did not earn my vote after that event, but I was highly impressed with his style and speaking ability.

I have been a political junkie for a long time now, and it takes a lot to impress us NH folk. Seeing these guys come round every four years and knowing they are just down the block on any given day is old hat now.

I have spoke to, shaken hands and attended events of every major and (many minor) presidential candidate since 1980. I like to have the opportunity to look into the eye of a candidate before I vote for him.

People in other parts of the country really hate the NH primaries.

We love it. Here, we take out politics seriously.

Oh..only NH people are savy enough to take politics seriously...bully for you. So, watcha want? A brownie button? Let me know when YOU wake up...we'll be here.

[who]

Ok Mr Blubbberman.

[snagswolf]

How often does someone prove me wrong here? I'll wait. Evidence would be nice.

Now this case here is one I cannot prove to you, because I cannot link the incident I witnessed. I cannot find the short interview that the Fox News person and cameraman did with me after the event, and no - I won't show you what Obama signed for me after and discuss what we talked about when I had my chance (that last part being meaningless to the discussion at hand, but just thought I'd throw it in. :).

If you contact some of the camera people that covered the events during the NH primary, they might be able to help you out. You seem to forget we get to see a lot of out candidates here in NH. Retail politics as they call it. We are blessed to have this opportunity here. Too bad you missed it.

Did you miss all those debates too? He handled a ton of them. You think he had a teleprompter then?

You don't believe the true incident I relayed to you - that's your problem, not mine.

My integrity and authenticity here, no matter your attempts to cut it down, speaks for itself.
Your main purpose here seems to be taking petty swipes at those who disagree with you politically, not defending your political positions. You're constantly playing 'gotcha' games with those you disagree with. (Your baiting in the previous post is a perfect example.) You're considered more of an annoyance than a legitimate debate opponent.

You may be under the impression that you have enough built-up 'integrity' here that we should believe everything you say just because you say it, but that's certainly not the reality of the situation.

I certainly wouldn't expect liberals around here to accept my version of an incident just because I claim it to be true.

[who]

Your main purpose here seems to be taking petty swipes at those who disagree with you politically, not defending your political positions. You're constantly playing 'gotcha' games with those you disagree with. (Your baiting in the previous post is a perfect example.) You're considered more of an annoyance than a legitimate debate opponent.

You may be under the impression that you have enough built-up 'integrity' here that we should believe everything you say just because you say it, but that's certainly not the reality of the situation.

I certainly wouldn't expect liberals around here to accept my version of an incident just because I claim it to be true.
This is what you call 'baiting' when more than one person implied I was not telling the truth, and, as you do again.

This: You seem to be implying I am not telling the truth.

To you this is 'baiting.' It is obvious your characterizations of me are a little slanted and while you berate me for taking 'petty swipes', you yourself, take petty swipes.

Have it as you may. Our posts speak for themselves.

Have a good day now snaggy! :D

[snagswolf]

This is what you call 'baiting' when more than one person implied I was not telling the truth, and, as you do again.

This:

To you this is 'baiting.' It is obvious your characterizations of me are a little slanted and while you berate me for taking 'petty swipes', you yourself, take petty swipes.

Have it as you may. Our posts speak for themselves.

Have a good day now snaggy! :D
It's obvious to anyone with a brain what you were doing, considering what happened yesterday.

And I spend time on here explaining my political positions and defending them, not playing 'gotcha' games with those I disagree with.

[matt875]

Anyone who thinks he is an exceptional speaker has not watched him flail around without his teleprompter.

Just another silly, false way for you folks to justify your adoration of him.


Well said! It really is a kind of ideological or hopeful adoration which renders supporters is blind to any of Obama's inexperience and shortcomings.

[matt875]

How often does someone prove me wrong here? I'll wait. Evidence would be nice.

Now this case here is one I cannot prove to you, because I cannot link the incident I witnessed. I cannot find the short interview that the Fox News person and cameraman did with me after the event, and no - I won't show you what Obama signed for me after and discuss what we talked about when I had my chance (that last part being meaningless to the discussion at hand, but just thought I'd throw it in. :).

If you contact some of the camera people that covered the events during the NH primary, they might be able to help you out. You seem to forget we get to see a lot of out candidates here in NH. Retail politics as they call it. We are blessed to have this opportunity here. Too bad you missed it.

Did you miss all those debates too? He handled a ton of them. You think he had a teleprompter then?

You don't believe the true incident I relayed to you - that's your problem, not mine.

My integrity and authenticity here, no matter your attempts to cut it down, speaks for itself.


So you say...."How often does someone prove me wrong here? I'll wait. Evidence would be nice."

Do you need any more evidence than the fact that your beloved master orator (Tele-only Obama) was so scared and lacked the courage to reveal his stuttering double-minded speech vs McCain in the town hall meetings. What a coward!

Obama's handlers refused to allow Obama to meet with McCain, even once, in a give and take situation, one in which you must think on your feet, and speak what is in your mind on the spot in the town hall meeting format.

No confident, gifted speaker would ever turn down an opportunity to humble his opponent in that venue....of course, if Obama can't really function withouit his Tele then he understandibly would refuse to participate-Which he did.