Funny Anti-2A Letter From Illinois

[drylok]

Published: Thursday, March 5, 2009

Updated: Thursday, March 5, 2009

Dear Editor:

Now that the concealed carry legislation is being awarded a massive amount of coverage and all of the gun-rights advocates are coming out in favor of this crime against humanity, it is time to rip off their Second Amendment security blanket and educate them with unbiased, correctly interpreted statistics and with basic logic.


Nothing illustrates the errors in reasoning that concealed carry supporters have better than the name of legislation: The Family and Personal Protection Act. The huge myth that this title attempts to spread is that carrying concealed weapons leads to the protection of anyone when it in fact does the opposite. In total, 48 states have passed concealed carry laws all in the name of protection. And what sort of protection have these laws brought? According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, 34 of the 35 states with the highest crime rates have concealed carry laws on their books. If either Tennessee or South Carolina, which both have legalized concealed carry, were their own country, they would have the highest murder rate in the world. Wisconsin, the only state besides Illinois not to pass such laws, has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.


Furthermore, advocates for turning this country into some sort of gun utopia fail to recognize the possible consequences for passing laws such as the Family and Personal Protection Act. What happens when two people get in a fight at a bar and one legally has a gun on him? What about the police officer who has to worry that the person he just pulled over, or the drunk he is chasing down the street is carrying a deadly weapon? And what most people do not recognize is that most concealed carry laws also include the Castle Doctrine, which allows people to defend their property with deadly force. Under this mindset, a person could theoretically shoot someone who is stealing a lawn chair from them. Do petty thieves actually deserve to die? I guess 48 states think it is alright as long as it is the citizens doing the killing ... let’s not become the 49th.


To see FBI crime reports, visit http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/v...rime/index.html.


To view FBI state crime rates http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_05.html.


For worldwide crime rates, visit http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ders-per-capita.

Ty Holden
sophomore studying philosophy, classics and political science

[drylok]

That was good for a laugh.
First of all the title of Personal Protection or Citizen Protection Act is perfectly suitable cause that's what allowing citizens to carry does. In fact it's 1 of 2 reasons the 2nd amendment was re-affirmed for by the framers.

Second, the crime rates in the states that have carry are irrelevant on this issue because none of those crimes were committed by the LAWFUL LICENSED CITIZENS but instead committed by CRIMINALS you as****!

Third, as far as I know none of the 48 states that have a carry law allow the permit holders to carry in a bar, our law will not allow it either when we pass it. Thanks for trying though.

Fourth, the police officer who might pull me over for a routine traffic stop will not have to worry about me then anymore than he does now cause I'm NOT A CRIMINAL

Lastly, you damn right I'm going to use deadly force on someone who is in my home and poses a threat to me or my family.

That letter was like taking a handful of crap and throwing it against the wall and then kneeling to the floor and praying something sticks.

License To Carry Coming To Illinois Jan 1 2010, Stay Tuned!

[ConstitutionHugger]

is that an actual letter? THat kid is certainly an obamabot idiot. Some people are just lacking common sense

[drylok]

Yes sir it is

http://www.siude.com/voices/letter_debunking_concealed_carry_myths-1.1597708

[ConstitutionHugger]

Yes sir it is

http://www.siude.com/voices/letter_debunking_concealed_carry_myths-1.1597708

That kid is a Certified DA, And I don't mean district attorney

[ConstitutionHugger]

I don't mean Double action either

[drylok]

Dedicated Athelite? :D

[LouC]

So sad to see a college sophomore who is studying philosophy, classics and political science using his 1st Amendment right to call for eviscerating everyone's 2nd Amendment right.

Ty's Grade

Critical thinking required for the discipline of Philosophy evidenced in his letter - Fail

Political Science practical application, calling legally enacted CC law a crime - Fail

Classics study, no clue what is in that classic work called our Constitution - Fail

[CaptPops]

He proves what he is studying. Proving that the study of Philosophy is profound thinking about unimportant subjects...

[waynevan]

34 of the 35 states with the highest crime rates have concealed carry laws on their books

Gee, I wonder why they passed those laws....could it be the help people PROTECT themselves from so many thugs?:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

[birddog1]

Wonder why he left Washington D.C. off his example list?

Mr. Holden should also search through the credible studies that have been done on CC laws and their effect on crime as well as the crime rate among CC permit holders.

[waynevan]

But then he would have to report the near zero crime rate among permit holders. We can't be having that now.............

[birddog1]

But then he would have to report the near zero crime rate among permit holders. We can't be having that now.............

It certainly wouldn't fit his uninformed agenda that is for sure.

[sgtmac_46]

That letter was like taking a handful of crap and throwing it against the wall and then kneeling to the floor and praying something sticks.
That's because gun grabbers are little more than crap flinging spider monkeys......but not as smart.

[sgtmac_46]

He proves what he is studying. Proving that the study of Philosophy is profound thinking about unimportant subjects... He's really a political science major, he just threw the others in because he's a pretentious little bore who thinks it makes him sound more impressive. Typical political science major......the politics of most PS majors is totalitarian socialism.......this guy is PURE TOOL.....as illustrated by the fact that, when discussing violent crime rates in Illinois, is FORCED to say 'The crime rate in Wisconsin'......what an moron!

Ty Holden.......sophomoric tool and crap flinging spider monkey.

[Samm]

That letter is not as funny as it appears on the surface. Liberal belief in gun control is like Liberal Belief in man-caused global warming... facts are not required. The un-funny part is that these wackos have the ear of the Media and a great many of the most powerful politicians in the country. They can and will try to impose their illogical laws against us regardless of the facts. ... and if those laws don't work (which they are guaranteed not to) they will impose more illogical laws until they attain their goal of total disarmament of the law abiding population. Laugh if you like, but do not dismiss it.

[Celtic Pax]

Another little tidbit of information left out in his lib spiel is how restrictive or unrestrictive the concealed weapons permits are. You can ave a concealed gun permit on the books BUT if the those permits are difficult to obtain or if they are very restrictive in usage, they are effectively useless. In states or communities where they are very easy to obtain and relatively unrestricted in operation, violent, person to person crime goes down. Not all crime goes down though. Violent crimes where the criminal comes in contact with the citizen goes down BUT other crime like burglary, simple theft, etc. either drops a little, stays the same of goes up as criminals switch to safer crimes. Also, most areas within states (like large urban centers with stringent gun control laws) even having concealed gun permits make those permits meaningless if there are so many laws that amke them effectively meaningless.

[MrDuffy]

That letter isn't funny. That letter is dangerous.
Trouble is, the mis-led individuals that actually believe that sort of clap-trap are usually in the position to cause problems for the sane people that take advantage of the Constitution.:cry:

[ALBOB2]

Third, as far as I know none of the 48 states that have a carry law allow the permit holders to carry in a bar, our law will not allow it either when we pass it. Thanks for trying though.

I can carry in a bar. We're even allowed to drink. The problem comes up if we have had a few and then actually USE our gun, then there's some 'splainin' to do. So, like with most everyting involveing guns, common sense rules the day.

[Samm]

I can carry in a bar. We're even allowed to drink. The problem comes up if we have had a few and then actually USE our gun, then there's some 'splainin' to do. So, like with most everyting involveing guns, common sense rules the day.

Heck, being that you are in Las Vegas, you can probably put down a bet on the odds that someone will shoot somebody while you are in the bar. ;)

(No cheating now, by being the shooter yourself or conspiring with someone else to shoot someone so you can win. ;) )

[sgtmac_46]

That letter is not as funny as it appears on the surface. Liberal belief in gun control is like Liberal Belief in man-caused global warming... facts are not required. The un-funny part is that these wackos have the ear of the Media and a great many of the most powerful politicians in the country. They can and will try to impose their illogical laws against us regardless of the facts. ... and if those laws don't work (which they are guaranteed not to) they will impose more illogical laws until they attain their goal of total disarmament of the law abiding population. Laugh if you like, but do not dismiss it. I don't dismiss.....ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!

[sgtmac_46]

Wonder why he left Washington D.C. off his example list?

Mr. Holden should also search through the credible studies that have been done on CC laws and their effect on crime as well as the crime rate among CC permit holders.
Hell, I wonder why he left his home state of ILLINOIS off his example.......he had to substitute Wisconsin when discussing Illinois! :))

"Wisconsin, the only state besides Illinois not to pass such laws, has one of the lowest crime rates in the country." -Ty Holden 'Dumbass extraordinaire!'