Nutcase Nadya Suleman's 911 call

[Bolshevik Hunter]

This Gal, Nadya Suleman has to be the biggest nutcase freak I have ever seen next to Nancy Pelosi. O'Reily had an October 27, 2008 recording of a 911 call made by Suleman after she noticed one of her 6 kids missing an hour later.

Better known for the 8 eggs she had implanted into her ovary by another nutcase, Suleman's 911 call reveals exactly just how mentally ill this basket case is. She repeatedly screams "I am going to Kill myself", "I am going to Kill myself", "Where is my Son?", "I am going to kill myself" to the 911 operator. Finally, The operator has to tell her to stop saying that because her other children are in the background crying. I couldn't locate the video, but it was on The O'Reily factor today. If anyone has the video, please post it for our entertainment.

This moron, already has 6 kids. Soon, 8 more. That's 14 kids, and she can't even keep track of one. She has no job, she has no husband, she's on welfare, she has no home but the home that she lives in now, which is owned by her Grandparents, is about to be foreclosed. I think that this Gal should go down as the stupidest idiot in the history of The USA. No worries, Obama is gonna make sure that we all support this lunatics children for her. ~BH

[Gabby]

I've heard of people being put into protective custody for saying that they are going to kill themselves. In some places it's considered domestic abuse, especially around children because it scares them so much.

This woman is a nut. I don't think they will release the other children to her. She's not equipted in any manner to care for 14 children, epecially not 8 premi new borns with problems.

[sgdp]

Hearing a parent say those things can truly screw a kid up. I wish her the best, because things can still be mended with those children.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Hearing a parent say those things can truly screw a kid up. I wish her the best, because things can still be mended with those children.

You can "wish" all you like, and that is fine my friend. However, wishing really won't help those children from being neglected. This Women is a nutcase, and as much as I hate to say it, the State should probably lock her up, take her children away, and allow a family that can support them, and give them the attention and love that they need by adopting them. It reallt would be for the best. ~BH

[sgdp]

You can "wish" all you like, and that is fine my friend. However, wishing really won't help those children from being neglected. This Women is a nutcase, and as much as I hate to say it, the State should probably lock her up, take her children away, and allow a family that can support them, and give them the attention and love that they need by adopting them. It reallt would be for the best. ~BH

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I wish her, Ms. Suleman, the best, because those kids will want their mother some day in the future. The older ones, most especially.

It's sad to see the kids suffer under her hand, but if she does get better then it's all the better for her kids, as well.

[BillyBobUSA]

You can "wish" all you like, and that is fine my friend. However, wishing really won't help those children from being neglected. This Women is a nutcase, and as much as I hate to say it, the State should probably lock her up, take her children away, and allow a family that can support them, and give them the attention and love that they need by adopting them. It reallt would be for the best. ~BH


I dont know, I mean, obviously this woman has been under a lot of stress.

She had 6 ovaries implanted and the odds of any of them taking are pretty low, especially in her experience. She didnt want to pay for the process again, so she tells the doctor to just put them all in and see which ones take.

Well, not only did all of them take, but two split into twins for a total of 8.

That has to be stress inducing.

But instead of aborting some of those unborn children, like so many people were pushing her to do, she does the brave thing and decides to keep them all and do what she can.

And then when the press gets a hold of it, everyone in the world is judging her, calling her an idiot, saying she should be locked up, men coming out of her past and claiming to be the babies father, etc, she has kooks and wackos coming at her from every angle now.

I cant blame her for being at the end of her tether.

But what are we doing?

We are using this poor girl for sport, for entertainment.

We are amusing ourselves with her misfortune and patting each other on the back, saying what an idiot she is.

But who has actually read the details of what happened? Very few people.

But we are all happy to ridicule her and make her life more miserable.

Why?

Where is the benefit of doing that for anyone?

Instead of lighting a candle we are blowing it out with ridicule and gossip.

Maybe we should all be locked up.

[Pudge]

Anyone with me here that the doctor who implanted the embryos should be held responsible in some way?

Look, if I want to adopt a dog from the SPCA, they have to come to my house and make sure I have an acceptable climate for the dog to live in, and check me out so that they know they're placing the animal in a good home where it won't be neglected or abused. There was NO such checking into this woman's living situation, her employment, or anything else.

If you want to adopt a child, you have to go through many hurdles before you can be approved, but if you have the money you can just drop in a bunch of embryos and become a broodmare?

Make the doctor who signed off on and performed this procedure responsible, and let's start regulating this practice.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I dont know, I mean, obviously this woman has been under a lot of stress.

She had 6 ovaries implanted and the odds of any of them taking are pretty low, especially in her experience. She didnt want to pay for the process again, so she tells the doctor to just put them all in and see which ones take.

Well, not only did all of them take, but two split into twins for a total of 8.

That has to be stress inducing.

But instead of aborting some of those unborn children, like so many people were pushing her to do, she does the brave thing and decides to keep them all and do what she can.

And then when the press gets a hold of it, everyone in the world is judging her, calling her an idiot, saying she should be locked up, men coming out of her past and claiming to be the babies father, etc, she has kooks and wackos coming at her from every angle now.

I cant blame her for being at the end of her tether.

But what are we doing?

We are using this poor girl for sport, for entertainment.

We are amusing ourselves with her misfortune and patting each other on the back, saying what an idiot she is.

But who has actually read the details of what happened? Very few people.

But we are all happy to ridicule her and make her life more miserable.

Why?

Where is the benefit of doing that for anyone?

Instead of lighting a candle we are blowing it out with ridicule and gossip.

Maybe we should all be locked up.

+1 :clap: Well posted!

And I'll add one more tid bit:
Who are we to judge this woman? Who made us all knowing and all seeing? I've heard so many twisted truths from the feeding frenzy media that any actual truth is washed away by speculation and sensationalism.

We've been fed half twisted truths from what type of medical she has (Kaiser..a Cost Co or Sams club type membership medical plan that does not link up to state paid aide medical I might add..) to subjective theories on how the tax payers are most certainly going to be over burdened by this woman and her children, to how nuts she is for having this many children, to having no husband by her side to her parents who give their support and then take it away, then give it back and take it away again. It's a zoo...to be sure...but it's on the media's back for how it became that way imo.

Take any one of us.....and have the media begin crawling around in your past and present. See what they come up with..and begin feeding half truths to sell air time. How good would any one of us look then? I'm no saint..but I'm no monster either..but the media could make me look like Mother Theresa or Stalin himself if they wished too. :eek: that's the power of media today..and it needs to be checked!

~Mysty

[Pudge]

Mysty, I've heard Suleman on interviews and I'm sorry, she's nuttier than a fruitcake. She barely has the means to care for the six kids she has. No doctor should have ever implanted more embryos in her- even one more child would have been too much, nevermind eight more.

She clearly has mental issues going back to her being an only child. Wanting a big family is one thing, but wanting one without the safety net of a husband and the ability to actually provide for that family is deranged.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

This Gal, Nadya Suleman has to be the biggest nutcase freak I have ever seen next to Nancy Pelosi. O'Reily had an October 27, 2008 recording of a 911 call made by Suleman after she noticed one of her 6 kids missing an hour later.

Better known for the 8 eggs she had implanted into her ovary by another nutcase, Suleman's 911 call reveals exactly just how mentally ill this basket case is. She repeatedly screams "I am going to Kill myself", "I am going to Kill myself", "Where is my Son?", "I am going to kill myself" to the 911 operator. Finally, The operator has to tell her to stop saying that because her other children are in the background crying. I couldn't locate the video, but it was on The O'Reily factor today. If anyone has the video, please post it for our entertainment.

That's entertainment to you? Wow...kinda perverse huh? :rolleyes: Have you ever 'lost'/'misplaced a child? You don't know what you will say or do when it actually hits you. Whose to say what any of us would actually say or do in that scenerio? She obviously feels very strongly about her position as a mother..and the thought of one of her children being lost or worse... is enough for her to utter the honest words that every mother in that scenerio thinks? Come on...be real here. What makes her nuts..that she said it aloud? Yeah..ok..whatever. :eh: May it never happen to you or your spouse..and may you say exactly what the nation wants you to say so you don't get clubbed over the head for doing or saying something stupid. :rolleyes:

This moron, already has 6 kids. Soon, 8 more. That's 14 kids, and she can't even keep track of one. She has no job, she has no husband, she's on welfare, she has no home but the home that she lives in now, which is owned by her Grandparents, is about to be foreclosed. I think that this Gal should go down as the stupidest idiot in the history of The USA. No worries, Obama is gonna make sure that we all support this lunatics children for her. ~BH

I know mothers who have a hard time keeping track of two kids..I know mothers who can't keep a decent eyes on one...and? So? There are still other mom's out there that put the rest of us to shame...kids in multiple numbers, works outside the home, looks like a model and is a great wife and friend. ....and? So? With six kids running about...and all the media could find is one 911 tape? Just one? Wow..that's gotta be some kinda of record right? :rolleyes:

As far as supporting or not supporting this family...we will have to wait and see what Nadya does in her near future. She has become a nice side dish for the media to serve up...perhaps with her education she will use them as they have used her over these past weeks and months? It would serve them right...they have ti coming imo.

As to the stupidest person in history...I'm sure we can come up with some real whoppers that would out do Ms. Suleman. ;) Or is it your stance that having that many children alone makes her an idiot? What about those women who abort or couples who have no children...are they not also idiots on the same line of thinking and rational; just on the opposite extreme of the spectrum? They do as much harm to our taxes and schools that this woman is committing with too many children. So..what say you?

~Mysty

[NascarGirl2448]

Mysty, I've heard Suleman on interviews and I'm sorry, she's nuttier than a fruitcake. She barely has the means to care for the six kids she has. No doctor should have ever implanted more embryos in her- even one more child would have been too much, nevermind eight more.
She clearly has mental issues going back to her being an only child. Wanting a big family is one thing, but wanting one without the safety net of a husband and the ability to actually provide for that family is deranged.

This woman is an obvious looney tune. There's nothing wrong with wanting a large family, but make sure you have the means to take care of that family first!! I hope, if the kids are taken from mom and adopted out, that they can stay in touch with each other. The kids deserve to at least stay in touch with their siblings, even if they are raised by 3 or 4 different families.

[angelicmadrigal]

Mysty, I've heard Suleman on interviews and I'm sorry, she's nuttier than a fruitcake.

Hell her own father thinks there's a chance she isn't mentally sound.

Not to mention the 911 tape was done long before society started butting into her bussiness.

When you make yourself the spectacle this woman has, I have NO reservations about saying whatever the hell I want to about it.

[terri910]

Anyone with me here that the doctor who implanted the embryos should be held responsible in some way?

Ethics has not kept up with technology.

It makes one wonder if anyone in medical research actually thinks out the ramifications of the things they are developing.

[angelicmadrigal]

Ethics has not kept up with technology.


You mean codefied ethics, people can still make thier own ethical decisions barring the existence of a formal code of ethics.

[terri910]

You mean codefied ethics, people can still make thier own ethical decisions barring the existence of a formal code of ethics.
Yes, you're right. I just didn't know the correct word!

Still makes me wonder if anyone thinks past how much money can be made by any specific procedure or development.

[AugustGem]

The second one was a bit odd. When someone dialed 911 and hung up. The 911 operator called back and the kid was claiming his mommy and daddy went out (she was actually in the hospital with the 8 baby pregnancy) Then said a babysitter was there but cooking. Eventually, after prodding from the operator, the grandmother gets on the phone. It was a bit strange.

Now, the first call.... without hearing it, I was under the same thinking "How could I judge, she was scared"? But listening to it. It was bizarre. It was really and truly bizarre!

[angelicmadrigal]

Yes, you're right. I just didn't know the correct word!
Yeah, ethics is one of those "fun" topics, since you have to really specific about what you're talking about. In this case I assumed you meant the code of professional ethics Dr.s use, not something like say a specific brand of ethics.


Still makes me wonder if anyone thinks past how much money can be made by any specific procedure or development.

You know...maybe there's a few...somewhere, but you know how I am, I am disinclined to believe people do things separate from the motive of personal gain (either monetary or otherwise).

[antisocial_IST]

She's fruitcake and corn flakes with kool-aid. I don't care how many children she had. But using children the way she did to have "fame" and "sell" her story is just unethical and abusive to those poor children. It's bad when anyone does it. It should be a light hearted news story for a few days and over with. Some of these cases are. Nadya wants cameras in her face and to exploit her children for money. No different than stage moms accept stage moms don't have 14 kids to torture.

[budjaz]

She's fruitcake and corn flakes with kool-aid. I don't care how many children she had. But using children the way she did to have "fame" and "sell" her story is just unethical and abusive to those poor children. It's bad when anyone does it. It should be a light hearted news story for a few days and over with. Some of these cases are. Nadya wants cameras in her face and to exploit her children for money. No different than stage moms accept stage moms don't have 14 kids to torture.

I agree totally.. however, a lady on hannity made a good point, at least if she makes all of this money, maybe she won't have to leech of the government!

[antisocial_IST]

I agree totally.. however, a lady on hannity made a good point, at least if she makes all of this money, maybe she won't have to leech of the government!

True, because she has no skills to do anything else except have babies and exploit them. I would love to see every one of those babies go to an adoptive family that can't have children and can provide.

She already gets $500 a month for 6 kids. It is expected that she will get 1.5 million dollars just in food stamps from the Government over the kid's lifetimes. Food alone will cost $22,000 a year and that is buying only main staples bread, milk, juice, cereal, cheese, peanut butter, fruits, veggies, "bargain meats" and for now, baby food. How does she expect to live? Where does she expect these kids to live?

In this economy, even if she had a million bucks she wouldn't be able to raise those kids even comfortably. The cost of bringing up a child has sky rocketed by over a third in the past five years. Including education, insurance (includes health care), room, board, clothing, transportation costs, each child will need an estimated $450,000 up to the age of 18.

Now this doesn't include if any of those kids ever wants to have a life and play a sport, take music lessons, and dance lessons, or any other extra curriculars.

How can 14 children (all that young) get all the attention they need? She will have to have some help with child care too. She will end up killing her parents. They should be able to enjoy being grandparents, not parents all over again. As her parents get older their bodies can't keep up with 14 babies. My dad came from a family of 12 but always had older siblings to help out. His oldest sister was 18. She doesn't even have older children at home to help her.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I dont know, I mean, obviously this woman has been under a lot of stress.

She had 6 ovaries implanted and the odds of any of them taking are pretty low, especially in her experience. She didnt want to pay for the process again, so she tells the doctor to just put them all in and see which ones take.

Well, not only did all of them take, but two split into twins for a total of 8.

That has to be stress inducing.

But instead of aborting some of those unborn children, like so many people were pushing her to do, she does the brave thing and decides to keep them all and do what she can.

And then when the press gets a hold of it, everyone in the world is judging her, calling her an idiot, saying she should be locked up, men coming out of her past and claiming to be the babies father, etc, she has kooks and wackos coming at her from every angle now.

I cant blame her for being at the end of her tether.

But what are we doing?

We are using this poor girl for sport, for entertainment.

We are amusing ourselves with her misfortune and patting each other on the back, saying what an idiot she is.

But who has actually read the details of what happened? Very few people.

But we are all happy to ridicule her and make her life more miserable.

Why?

Where is the benefit of doing that for anyone?

Instead of lighting a candle we are blowing it out with ridicule and gossip.

I can understand your compassion, I really do. However, sHE hAD 6 kIDS pRIOR tO dOING tHIS BillyBob? Hey? it's great that you're having a feel good moment, but I am not buying it. I know you mean well though.

Maybe we should all be locked up.

Ok, forget it then. Maybe you have lost your mind bro? ~BH

[Bolshevik Hunter]

That's entertainment to you? Wow...kinda perverse huh? :rolleyes: Have you ever 'lost'/'misplaced a child? You don't know what you will say or do when it actually hits you. Whose to say what any of us would actually say or do in that scenerio? She obviously feels very strongly about her position as a mother..and the thought of one of her children being lost or worse... is enough for her to utter the honest words that every mother in that scenerio thinks? Come on...be real here. What makes her nuts..that she said it aloud? Yeah..ok..whatever. :eh: May it never happen to you or your spouse..and may you say exactly what the nation wants you to say so you don't get clubbed over the head for doing or saying something stupid. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I have two children, and I can support them. My Wife and I never assumed that other people would for us. ;)

Hey, Calm down and grab some cush Sister. Maybe the freak should keep an eye on her child, or maybe atleast communicate with her Mother, the childs Grandparent? Did that ever enter your mind, huh? Wow, imagine that, actually communicating for the well being of your child? Get a clue.

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I know mothers who have a hard time keeping track of two kids..I know mothers who can't keep a decent eyes on one...and? So? There are still other mom's out there that put the rest of us to shame...kids in multiple numbers, works outside the home, looks like a model and is a great wife and friend. ....and? So? With six kids running about...and all the media could find is one 911 tape? Just one? Wow..that's gotta be some kinda of record right? :rolleyes:

Clean the foam off your mouth, and calm down. It's this simple really, if you can't keep an eye on your own kids, then maybe you shouldn't have any? Yeah?

As far as supporting or not supporting this family...we will have to wait and see what Nadya does in her near future.

Oh yeah!!!! Maybe she will win the Lottery or something?

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LOL!!! I can see that you're a dreamer just like John Lennon?

She has become a nice side dish for the media to serve up...perhaps with her education she will use them as they have used her over these past weeks and months? It would serve them right...they have ti coming imo.

I wouldn't wager on it Sis. But I do agree with your point about the bottomfeeders in the media.

As to the stupidest person in history...I'm sure we can come up with some real whoppers that would out do Ms. Suleman. ;) Or is it your stance that having that many children alone makes her an idiot?

Ok, how about atleast the top 10?

What about those women who abort or couples who have no children...are they not also idiots on the same line of thinking and rational; just on the opposite extreme of the spectrum? They do as much harm to our taxes and schools that this woman is committing with too many children. So..what say you?

~Mysty

What say me? Those who Abort are murderous pigs in my opinion. However, she had the eggs implanted, and even after she already had 6 kids that she already could not take care of. Is it that hard for you to understand the difference? I guess not. Oh and, people who choose to not have kids don't cost anyone anything, nice try. What they actually do is miss out on the biggest gift from God, being a parent. But, a responsible one of course.

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[Remus Lupin]

I still think the doctor should lose his license for that. As far the mother ands kids ae concern, Child Protective Services should remove ALL the children from the home. The mother is deranged mentally. Allowing her to keep those children would be very bad.

[jeepers]

She had six kids through in vitro and she already was living on welfare and off of her parents. Any reputable reproductive endocrinologist woudln't have gone along with that, let alone inserting 6 embryos.

"odds of them taking low". No, with a young woman with NORMAL reproductive function, the odds of them taking are HIGH. You don't put in six, the max is something like four, and that is when you're 40 years old and having ovarian failure, NOT when you're in your 20's and all of your parts work. That is when they'll put in TWO.

She wasn't having infertility problems from what I get from the media, she was just SANS A MAN.

And Mysty, this is one of those rare occasions when I disagree with you. The judgement is about her seemingly lacking in judgement herself. And although I can see having issue with the media, she KNEW that this was coming and welcomed it. She literally looked for it.

What average person wouldn't potentially crump under the weight? Uh THEN THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T DO THIS.

As to saying what she said on the 911 tape, yes I can understand freaking out if your kid is missing...but you cannot forget that you have FIVE OTHER KIDS in the house and you're scaring the **** out of them. You don't get the luxury of 'freaking out'. You're the Momma, the Momma has to be in charge. If you're not in charge, who in the hell, is?

It's because everyone can imagine the pressure of 14 kids, and some of them special needs, that people shake their heads at this woman. I'll certainly light a candle, but I'd could also place a bet that she's going to lose some of them before this saga is over with.

I think the 'who are we to judge' thing works only if the person that we're judging is showing good judgement, if their life is working. Then that would just be about personal choice.

But her life isn't working. She's created a situation where scores of people are now going to be required to make sure that these kids don't fall through the cracks. The amount of money and personel that she doesn't have at her disposal is going to be immense. Thinking that she'll do 14 on her own once she's out of school is pie in the sky. Sending home eight preemies to this woman with six kids and an exhausted grandma is frankly, ridiculous.

Meanwhile she's racking up a bill of epic proportions that the rest of the folks in her community are going to pay. Do they not get to say something? Or are they just supposed to shut up and pay the bills? I'd say that they get to have an opinion.

Suleman needs serious therapy. Because she now has 14 kids that are goign to look to her to raise them. Because their lives are in her hands. And because her parts still work and she could literally have more.

[Gabby]

Bottom line is that this woman is not a victim of any sort at all.

She choose the situation she's in. I have no sympathy for her at all. What does she think children are? Puppies? It's people who cannot even take care of the children they already have who go out of their way to keep having more.. in this case many many more.

I come from a family of 8. My parents were responsible and could handle that many children. This woman is irresponsible and could not handle 6, let alone 14. It is not large families I object to.

Now on the other hand her children are victims.. she is putting them all in extreme poverty. Most of them have disabilities, greatly contributed to by her choices.

I hope they remove all of the children from her care and get her help for her mental problems.

As for the tape of her screaming... she's an attention whore. That's what the show is all about. What ya do when a child goes missing is look for her/him. You don't make it all about yourself and have an emotional tantrum.

[Stardust]

First off, as a Catholic I don't approve of "in vitro" to begin with. It is against God's natural plan of conception. This is just one more horrible result of man going against God's will.

I do feel that this reproduction agency and its doctor should be held liable for inpregnating this woman with all of these fetuses, and the monetary award should go to providing care and education to these children.

I am not in the position to declare someone an unfit mother, but I do believe that her situation should be closely monitored - and I mean, for years - by social workers, a psychiatrist - her chuch officials, etc. If it is deemed an unfit household than proper steps should be taken for other families to adopt.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Yeah, I have two children, and I can support them. My Wife and I never assumed that other people would for us. ;)

Good...so far.

Hey, Calm down and grab some cush Sister. Maybe the freak should keep an eye on her child, or maybe atleast communicate with her Mother, the childs Grandparent? Did that ever enter your mind, huh? Wow, imagine that, actually communicating for the well being of your child? Get a clue.

Grab some cush? lol..I've never heard that one before. :D It's kinda cute....lol

Seriously though...most parents have had that awful scenerio of a child who is misplaced. Yes..we normally find them right off..but it does happen. The 'panic' does exhibit in some parents very outwardly. Nadya..being very pregnant at the time and hormonal, 'freaked' out...was caught on tape..and that tape is now played over and over to show just how incompetent she is as a mother. :eh: What the tape showed imo was her freaking out..no more no less.

Other posters, who you are in very good company with (Jeepers) have stated this more then any other factor is what makes this woman dangerous as anyone's mother. Her inability to handle/care for that many children. You may both be right....I'm not arguing that you are wrong...The argument is she hasn't had to do the job as yet...and that's where I hold out on judging what she can and can't do. We also don't KNOW what is in her near future or what is being done behind closed doors.

I understand why she didn't take Gloria Allread's (sp?) offer..I wouldn't take dime one from that woman either if I were Nadya. That doesn't mean that other deals and offers aren't being considered. That is were I am holding out..see what she does before condemning her to idiot of the year. Adversarial positions sometimes bring out the best and worst in people...I pray Nadya will rise up to the challenge.


Clean the foam off your mouth, and calm down. It's this simple really, if you can't keep an eye on your own kids, then maybe you shouldn't have any? Yeah?

No foam, I promise...lol. Yes, parents should keep a decent eye on their kids...yet it happens more often then not in very good homes to very good parents. It's part of the parenting experiance...to which my point originally goes. ;)

Oh yeah!!!! Maybe she will win the Lottery or something?

lol...oh...I guess that would be nice...but you and I both know what the odds of that are...near to none. I believe there are many deals on the table as it sits now...ones that will not only financially care for Nadya and her family...but that will provide a life time of security. The media, with their dirty side dish, will continue to taint anything Nadya touches, until she actually sits down and gives them what they want....that's the part that makes my skin crawl.


LOL!!! I can see that you're a dreamer just like John Lennon?

No..just being optimistic and hopeful that the best in humanity will show itself instead of the side cart of zoo we have been fed.


I wouldn't wager on it Sis. But I do agree with your point about the bottomfeeders in the media.

Bottom feeders...yup..that's them.


Ok, how about atleast the top 10?

How about top 100? I'm sure there are much worse cases of idiotic people in our past and present history...but top 100...yeah...I can do that. deal?


What say me? Those who Abort are murderous pigs in my opinion. However, she had the eggs implanted, and even after she already had 6 kids that she already could not take care of. Is it that hard for you to understand the difference? I guess not. Oh and, people who choose to not have kids don't cost anyone anything, nice try. What they actually do is miss out on the biggest gift from God, being a parent. But, a responsible one of course. ~BH

Bold and Italic mine: You sure about that? Having no children doesn't cost our schools or states a dime huh? Hmmm...better read up a bit before we dive into that conversation. Google up reasons for school closers and pink slipped teachers first. Then we can talk about the cost of not having kids. :whistle:

Also...you and I may understand or have similar definitions for what is and what is not responsible...But define it for me anyway..then apply that definition to every parent in this nation..and ya know what? We would find ourselves with allot of Nadya's out there...and most don't even have 6 kids..much less 14. At what point do we concede that some parents simply are better...to those who have the right to parent if even in the slightest sense. Manure can and does grow flowers.....;)

~Mysty

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

She had six kids through in vitro and she already was living on welfare and off of her parents. Any reputable reproductive endocrinologist woudln't have gone along with that, let alone inserting 6 embryos.

"odds of them taking low". No, with a young woman with NORMAL reproductive function, the odds of them taking are HIGH. You don't put in six, the max is something like four, and that is when you're 40 years old and having ovarian failure, NOT when you're in your 20's and all of your parts work. That is when they'll put in TWO.

She wasn't having infertility problems from what I get from the media, she was just SANS A MAN.

and I'm in total agreement with you on this point. I've not heard much about the Beverly Hills doctor who committed all of these invitro's....and he should be looked into.

And Mysty, this is one of those rare occasions when I disagree with you. The judgement is about her seemingly lacking in judgement herself. And although I can see having issue with the media, she KNEW that this was coming and welcomed it. She literally looked for it.

Her judgment...yes, it was pressed to the limits of what anyone such as you or I would agree with in her case...heck, almost anyone's case.

What average person wouldn't potentially crump under the weight? Uh THEN THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T DO THIS.

Again, I can't disagree with this assessment either. Although with one caveat...the press of weight was extreme..and when the media didn't get what they wanted..they pressed harder. I said in another thread that this story takes more twists and turns then a roller coaster..gets weirder by the day. That's not Nadya fault..that is the media in high drive.

As to saying what she said on the 911 tape, yes I can understand freaking out if your kid is missing...but you cannot forget that you have FIVE OTHER KIDS in the house and you're scaring the **** out of them. You don't get the luxury of 'freaking out'. You're the Momma, the Momma has to be in charge. If you're not in charge, who in the hell, is?

You or I wouldn't do this..or say this for the very reason you stated. But that is us...is it fair to put or place upon her our reactions? This is were I get nervous about placing my values or expectations upon another. And yes...I laughed as I read your last line...the Momma is most certainly the one in charge...period..end of story...well at least in this house anyway. ;)

It's because everyone can imagine the pressure of 14 kids, and some of them special needs, that people shake their heads at this woman. I'll certainly light a candle, but I'd could also place a bet that she's going to lose some of them before this saga is over with.

Taking those children away seems to be the most pressed for idea in the media now. It breaks my heart. If she has any rabbits to pull out of a hat..now would be the time to do so.

Remember, this is also California..where crack mom's get to take their babies home...Where the homeless get to take their babies to a state paid home...where do we draw the line? Special needs? How many? Again, the whole line of thinking makes me nervous for future gen's and situations that will be taken over by the state. What's next? Baby license in order to have a child...it becomes very 1984...ya know what I mean? :eh:

Nadya is the extreme to be sure..no argument from me. Would I do it even if I could...heck no. But they are here now...and must be dealt with calm and cool heads if they are to grow and thrive.

I think the 'who are we to judge' thing works only if the person that we're judging is showing good judgement, if their life is working. Then that would just be about personal choice.

As I said before..now is the time for Nadya to pull those rabbits out of her hat. It takes that judgment of 'what if' to personal choice in a heartbeat of time. That is what I am watching for..what she will do next. Other then the media speculation on what needs to happen...she has done little in the eyes of the media of late...and thus...up sprang this stupid 911 tape. Big dog needs red meat to survive..and this one feels like it will hang on and thrive for years to come. :rolleyes:

But her life isn't working. She's created a situation where scores of people are now going to be required to make sure that these kids don't fall through the cracks. The amount of money and personel that she doesn't have at her disposal is going to be immense. Thinking that she'll do 14 on her own once she's out of school is pie in the sky. Sending home eight preemies to this woman with six kids and an exhausted grandma is frankly, ridiculous.

Meanwhile she's racking up a bill of epic proportions that the rest of the folks in her community are going to pay. Do they not get to say something? Or are they just supposed to shut up and pay the bills? I'd say that they get to have an opinion.

Suleman needs serious therapy. Because she now has 14 kids that are goign to look to her to raise them. Because their lives are in her hands. And because her parts still work and she could literally have more.

Your right....if nothing changes...she just flakes on it all..then the absolute worst will happen..they will take all 14 children away...and left to the state tax payers to raise them. I am praying that doesn't happen. I'm praying that we have been kept out of the 'deals' she has working...I'm praying she will pull that rabbit out of her hat...not for her sake..but for the sake of keeping her family together.

~Mysty

[JudasGoat]

This Gal, Nadya Suleman has to be the biggest nutcase freak I have ever seen next to Nancy Pelosi. O'Reily had an October 27, 2008 recording of a 911 call made by Suleman after she noticed one of her 6 kids missing an hour later.

Better known for the 8 eggs she had implanted into her ovary by another nutcase, Suleman's 911 call reveals exactly just how mentally ill this basket case is. She repeatedly screams "I am going to Kill myself", "I am going to Kill myself", "Where is my Son?", "I am going to kill myself" to the 911 operator. Finally, The operator has to tell her to stop saying that because her other children are in the background crying. I couldn't locate the video, but it was on The O'Reily factor today. If anyone has the video, please post it for our entertainment.

This moron, already has 6 kids. Soon, 8 more. That's 14 kids, and she can't even keep track of one. She has no job, she has no husband, she's on welfare, she has no home but the home that she lives in now, which is owned by her Grandparents, is about to be foreclosed. I think that this Gal should go down as the stupidest idiot in the history of The USA. No worries, Obama is gonna make sure that we all support this lunatics children for her. ~BH

don't worry bohunter, Obama's gonna make sure we take good care of her.

[AutoRacer55]

LEAVE NADYA ALONE! LEAVE HER ALONE!

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Seriously though, why didn't anyone question her the first time she got in-vitro for the first batch of kids?

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

LEAVE NADYA ALONE! LEAVE HER ALONE!

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Seriously though, why didn't anyone question her the first time she got in-vitro for the first batch of kids?

At what point would you have questioned her? After one successful delivery? Two? Three? Five? When is enough enough? Granted, 14 is almost too much for any one person to raise effectively...but who should tell her how many kids she can have...especially when she has the money to provide said service from said unethical doctor?

Plastic surgery...botox injections...breasts implants..liposuction..bariatric bands...you name it they've got it. At what point does a physician tell a patient with money to burn that no more surgery can be preformed..or shouldn't be preformed? Look at Micheal Jackson..he doesn't even look human anymore! :rolleyes: Or for that matter some celeb's like Cher who should have said no to the knife long ago. Who, in your opinion, should make those final choices..the person who wants the procedure...or the doctor preforming the procedure?

6 kids is a full household in my opinion...going in even for one more was pushing it. That eight came out of the last invitro doesn't excuse the doctor from an unethical practice..and he should be on the line imo as well. The man who gave multiple genetic material donations (just for Nadya's use I might add) also needs to be put on the line. Her parents...(which what a mess they are as well) to allow their daughter to demand or require their assistance. Any parent in their right mind and worth their salt would have put a stop to this years ago...at the very least, throwing her and her brood out years ago. Allowing Nadya to stand on her own two feet would have gone far in keeping this type of situation from arising imo.

Hind sight is always 20/20...the situation as it stands now is due to a multiple of individuals who made poor judgment calls/and or unethical practices. At this point, hindsight may prohibit another woman from walking into the same situation..vis a vie ethic laws/medical practice legislation; but it won't do diddly squat for those 14 kids in the here and now.

So what do we do as a society/tax payers? Club the woman nightly about stupid 911 calls from '07; or; change how infertility practice is conducted; and or; vet our invetro parents with financial and back ground checks; and or take away any offspring from those we deem unfit parents? All get sticky...all get slippery slopes mud sliding down a road I don't think any of us want to go down.

~Mysty

[Stardust]

Hind sight is always 20/20...the situation as it stands now is due to a multiple of individuals who made poor judgment calls/and or unethical practices.

I think that there is a lot of blame to go around, but I believe ultimately it came down to this clinic and her doctor inplanting these fetuses in her.

Sure, there are crazy people out there that will do crazy things (Nadia/her boyfriend, etc.), but ultimately a trained physician should make a knowledgeable determination of a person's physical/mental state before doing a serious procedure such as this (and, also, by the way, bizarre procedure - 8 fetuses???????) - a procedure that will affect the mother and all of her children for the rest of their lives

Again, this clinic should be held liable with all the monetary gain going to the welfare of these children.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Good...so far.



Grab some cush? lol..I've never heard that one before. :D It's kinda cute....lol

Remember the teacher in The Breakfast Club? He tell's John Bender to "grab some cush bub". LOL!!! A movie I can watch a thousand times, and probably have.

Seriously though...most parents have had that awful scenerio of a child who is misplaced. Yes..we normally find them right off..but it does happen. The 'panic' does exhibit in some parents very outwardly. Nadya..being very pregnant at the time and hormonal, 'freaked' out...was caught on tape..and that tape is now played over and over to show just how incompetent she is as a mother. :eh: What the tape showed imo was her freaking out..no more no less.

I hear yuh, but I think it was a little too early to start screaming she was going to kill herself. I mean, the kid was with her mother. My main point is, she is very unstable. Yelling that around the other kids was very negative.

Other posters, who you are in very good company with (Jeepers) have stated this more then any other factor is what makes this woman dangerous as anyone's mother. Her inability to handle/care for that many children. You may both be right....I'm not arguing that you are wrong...The argument is she hasn't had to do the job as yet...and that's where I hold out on judging what she can and can't do. We also don't KNOW what is in her near future or what is being done behind closed doors.

Hey, In my opinion, 6 already is too many. Course I would never advocate that the Government should ever have the power to regulate how many kids someone chooses to have. You just gotta hope for commonsense, which is really hoping these days.

I understand why she didn't take Gloria Allread's (sp?) offer..I wouldn't take dime one from that woman either if I were Nadya. That doesn't mean that other deals and offers aren't being considered. That is were I am holding out..see what she does before condemning her to idiot of the year. Adversarial positions sometimes bring out the best and worst in people...I pray Nadya will rise up to the challenge.

That's about the only thing I agree with so far in regards to this Women. Allread is a manipulative opportunist. She was out for her own interests and whatever way she could profit off of this, she would have made sure she got a piece of a book or movie deal. Gloria was not doing that out of her kind Attorney heart, that's for sure. And no, I doubt Nadya will rise up, that is just my personal feelings. This is just the beggining of this circus. I think she has serious mental issues. I hate to say this, but I predict that she commits suicide in the future. I hope I am wrong about that.

No foam, I promise...lol. Yes, parents should keep a decent eye on their kids...yet it happens more often then not in very good homes to very good parents. It's part of the parenting experiance...to which my point originally goes. ;)

Fair enough.

lol...oh...I guess that would be nice...but you and I both know what the odds of that are...near to none. I believe there are many deals on the table as it sits now...ones that will not only financially care for Nadya and her family...but that will provide a life time of security. The media, with their dirty side dish, will continue to taint anything Nadya touches, until she actually sits down and gives them what they want....that's the part that makes my skin crawl.

I have no love for the media either, but that doesn't change my mind about the insanity of this Women.

No..just being optimistic and hopeful that the best in humanity will show itself instead of the side cart of zoo we have been fed.

I understand how you feel, even though we disagree. Just my personal opinion again, but I wouldn't put too much faith in humanity my friend. I never liked that phrase myself. I judge people as individuals and by their individual actions. Humanity? What does that mean when you have filth-bags like Berney Madoff running around free still? Some people are just rotten, not to say that Nadya is rotten at all, but stupid or clinically ill atleast? I would have to say yes.

Bottom feeders...yup..that's them.

The perfect description. ;)

How about top 100? I'm sure there are much worse cases of idiotic people in our past and present history...but top 100...yeah...I can do that. deal?

I'll give yuh that. I am sure their is someone dumber.

Bold and Italic mine: You sure about that? Having no children doesn't cost our schools or states a dime huh? Hmmm...better read up a bit before we dive into that conversation. Google up reasons for school closers and pink slipped teachers first. Then we can talk about the cost of not having kids. :whistle:

mystic, Not getting into the school discussion in this thread, but I will say this. You live in Northern California just like me. You should know what these illegal aliens are doing to the schools. They are overcrowding them, and more resources are being used to teach them English. In the end, American childrens education suffers. We already have overcrowded classrooms here in California. If a kid gets sick, then yeah, the school loses money. When this State starts to focus on the issues that are stealing funds from education, then maybe something will actually change.

Also...you and I may understand or have similar definitions for what is and what is not responsible...But define it for me anyway..then apply that definition to every parent in this nation..and ya know what? We would find ourselves with allot of Nadya's out there...and most don't even have 6 kids..much less 14. At what point do we concede that some parents simply are better...to those who have the right to parent if even in the slightest sense. Manure can and does grow flowers.....;)

~Mysty

The simple fact of the matter is having that many children, when you can't even support them, is in my opinion nothing short of mental illness. Those are my feelings on this issue, and it's not going to change. However, you seem like a good person with good intentions. You got a good sense of humor, and I like your style. ~BH

[brouski]

I think that there is a lot of blame to go around, but I believe ultimately it came down to this clinic and her doctor inplanting these fetuses in her.

Sure, there are crazy people out there that will do crazy things (Nadia/her boyfriend, etc.), but ultimately a trained physician should make a knowledgeable determination of a person's physical/mental state before doing a serious procedure such as this (and, also, by the way, bizarre procedure - 8 fetuses???????) - a procedure that will affect the mother and all of her children for the rest of their lives

Again, this clinic should be held liable with all the monetary gain going to the welfare of these children.

Multiple embryos are used to increase the chances of implantation. So many of them being carried to term is rare (which is why it was a news story to begin with).