Russian scholar says US will collapse _ next year

[BillyBobUSA]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96N3GCG0&show_article=1

MOSCOW (AP) - If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order. (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=world+order&sid=breitbart.com)

Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.
"There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy—a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.
The prediction from Panarin, a former spokesman for Russia's Federal Space Agency and reportedly an ex-KGB analyst, meshes with the negative view of the U.S. that has been flowing from the Kremlin in recent years, in particular from Vladimir Putin.
Putin, the former president who is now prime minister, has likened the United States to Nazi Germany's Third Reich and blames Washington for the global financial crisis that has pounded the Russian economy.
Panarin didn't give many specifics on what underlies his analysis, mostly citing newspapers, magazines and other open sources.
He also noted he had been predicting the demise of the world's wealthiest country for more than a decade now.
But he said the recent economic turmoil in the U.S. and other "social and cultural phenomena" led him to nail down a specific timeframe for "The End"—when the United States will break up into six autonomous regions and Alaska will revert to Russian control.
Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=school+shootings&sid=breitbart.com) the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.
Turning to economic woes, he cited the slide in major stock indexes, the decline in U.S. gross domestic product and Washington's bailout of banking giant Citigroup as evidence that American dominance of global markets has collapsed.
"I was there recently and things are far from good," he said. "What's happened is the collapse of the American dream."
Panarin insisted he didn't wish for a U.S. collapse, but he predicted Russia and China would emerge from the economic turmoil stronger and said the two nations should work together, even to create a new currency to replace the U.S. dollar. (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=U.S.+dollar&sid=breitbart.com) Asked for comment on how the Foreign Ministry views Panarin's theories, a spokesman said all questions had to be submitted in writing and no answers were likely before Wednesday.

Hey, just because he's Russion doesnt prove he is wrong on this.

I say to him; 'WE WILL BURY YOU!'

:lol:

[NascarGirl2448]

WHA???????? Where does he get this "theory" from, the clear blue sky?

[BillyBobUSA]

WHA???????? Where does he get this "theory" from, the clear blue sky?


Well vodka is very widely available....

[FidelisAdMortem]

Hes right.

[Buschb]

Hes right.

unfortunately...I also believe he is correct..
I'm not so sure about the breaking up into 6 regions...

here's another source where he says gay men are playing a role in the breakdown...so that makes him suspect...imo
But I still think it could happen

Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090304/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_us_the_end_is_near

When Globalist Gordon gets two separate standing ovations from Congress today...and considering the path the USA is currently headed...
Hell...you would have to totality have ur head in the sand not to see what is coming our way...

[Bolshevik Hunter]

As long as good Men continue to do nothing, we will. We are being ruled by Madmen, scoundrels and liars. ~BH

[ImNewHere]

unfortunately...I also believe he is correct..
I'm not so sure about the breaking up into 6 regions...

He does have a point. But I agree, we're not breaking up into six regions, or breaking up at all. We're going to have a common currency with Mexico and Canada called the "amero" once Obama completes the collapse of the dollar.

[foxgurrrl]

He does have a point. But I agree, we're not breaking up into six regions, or breaking up at all. We're going to have a common currency with Mexico and Canada called the "amero" once Obama completes the collapse of the dollar.

Isn't it convenient that Mexico is going to hell in a handbasket and Obama just took a visit to Canada?

[ImNewHere]

Isn't it convenient that Mexico is going to hell in a handbasket and Obama just took a visit to Canada?

He is a very powerful and multitasking man. He can screw up all of North America at the same time.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

What is equally hilarious is how all of a sudden the Government apologists who for years laughed at all of us for suggesting that the North American Union was for real. We were called "foil hat wearers" or "Conspiracy nuts". Well, I am sure the morons are not laughing anymore now are they? Blind sheople. ~BH

[rob_b52]

so......

what's the plan? Should some or all this come to pass... what will you do? where would you go?

I am sick of people saying...go live somewhere else.... its not like I can just pack up and move to Canada or anything...

[Dreamy]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96N3GCG0&show_article=1



Hey, just because he's Russion doesnt prove he is wrong on this.

I say to him; 'WE WILL BURY YOU!'

:lol:

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1221911&highlight=Igor+Panarin

I thought this prediction sounded familiar. lol


"Panarin didn't give many specifics on what underlies his analysis, mostly citing newspapers, magazines and other open sources."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sITkziA-wZ0


This guy was pushing the same story back in the 1990's.

[Buschb]

What is equally hilarious is how all of a sudden the Government apologists who for years laughed at all of us for suggesting that the North American Union was for real. We were called "foil hat wearers" or "Conspiracy nuts". Well, I am sure the morons are not laughing anymore now are they? Blind sheople. ~BH

lol I'd have to agree....
I found this on drudge over the weekend

Radio chip coming soon to your driver's license?
Homeland Security seeks next-generation REAL ID

Enhanced driver's licenses have built-in radio chips providing an identifying number or information that can be accessed by a remote reading unit while the license is inside a wallet or purse.

The technology already had been implemented in Washington state, where it is promoted as an alternative to a passport for traveling to Canada. So far, the program is optional.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90008

Takes off tin foil...
<---and moon walks outta thread

[Dreamy]

What is equally hilarious is how all of a sudden the Government apologists who for years laughed at all of us for suggesting that the North American Union was for real. We were called "foil hat wearers" or "Conspiracy nuts". Well, I am sure the morons are not laughing anymore now are they? Blind sheople. ~BH


I can't argue your point. You were correct. I was always open to the New World Order thinking although never quite sure if I was being conned. I now have no doubts the take down of America as we know it is in full swing as planned.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

lol I'd have to agree....
I found this on drudge over the weekend

Radio chip coming soon to your driver's license?
Homeland Security seeks next-generation REAL ID

Enhanced driver's licenses have built-in radio chips providing an identifying number or information that can be accessed by a remote reading unit while the license is inside a wallet or purse.

The technology already had been implemented in Washington state, where it is promoted as an alternative to a passport for traveling to Canada. So far, the program is optional.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90008

Of course only for Citizens, not Illegals? Or soon to be Legals? ;)



Takes off tin foil...
<---and moon walks outta thread

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/Rocks.gif ~BH

[Buschb]

Of course only for Citizens, not Illegals? Or soon to be Legals? ;)

:eek: LOL



http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/Rocks.gif ~BH

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z189/walnutz0910/rock.gif

[Bolshevik Hunter]

I can't argue your point. You were correct. I was always open to the New World Order thinking although never quite sure if I was being conned. I now have no doubts the take down of America as we know it is in full swing as planned.

Yeah, we even got Lou Dobbs on C.N.N discussing it. Beck is on it, and even O'Reily of all people made a comment this week that a few years ago would have made him look like a nutcase.

It's sad too, because good people were fooled by the puppet masters, who are actually the International Bankers and the Government economies worldwide that they rule along with the Politicians of those individual Nations. That is why they want to combine everything, because it makes it much more easier for their swindle to succeed. Basically, less red tape, Politicians, Constitutions and Law to corrupt.

The damage that was done before, and continues to be done, is the true nutcase conspiracy idiots who see conspiracy in every single thing including how their corn flakes crackle after pouring milk into it on a particular morning. It's called, Dis-information. Those people, accuse so many policies and events of being a conspiracy, that it ends up buring and confusing the true one's like The North American Union. ~BH

[Bolshevik Hunter]

:eek: LOL

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z189/walnutz0910/rock.gif

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/kampkirk88/smiley_rocker.gif ~BH

[Dreamy]

Yeah, we even got Lou Dobbs on C.N.N discussing it. Beck is on it, and even O'Reily of all people made a comment this week that a few years ago would have made him look like a nutcase.

It's sad too, because good people were fooled by the puppet masters, who are actually the International Bankers and the Government economies worldwide that they rule along with the Politicians of those individual Nations. That is why they want to combine everything, because it makes it much more easier for their swindle to succeed. Basically, less red tape, Politicians, Constitutions and Law to corrupt.

The damage that was done before, and continues to be done, is the true nutcase conspiracy idiots who see conspiracy in every single thing including how their corn flakes crackle after pouring milk into it on a particular morning. It's called, Dis-information. Those people, accuse so many policies and events of being a conspiracy, that it ends up buring and confusing the true one's like The North American Union. ~BH



The damage that was done before, and continues to be done, is the true nutcase conspiracy idiots who see conspiracy in every single thing including how their corn flakes crackle after pouring milk into it on a particular morning


Most definitely.^^^


Well BH,you will have my attention from now on.



That is why they want to combine everything, because it makes it much more easier for their swindle to succeed. Basically, less red tape, Politicians, Constitutions and Law to corrupt.


I am not sure why but just reading the above makes my blood boil. I can't stand to be lied to,swindled or jacked with using jingoistic political jargon and yet I was.

[Dreamy]

Umm....Dreamy, Are you sayin its time for me to raise the "Ol' Stars and Bars" in place of my American flag?


Well since I am far from a fatalist or a believer this is a done deal the answer from me Roland is no. Be at the ready however. I am in a revolutionary mood. Cup of Tea anyone?

[tx832]

Ya think so? I dunno, The times are definitely getting darker, but predictions like "America breaking off into 6 seperate regions within a year" is extreme. Even if the unemployment rate drops to 20% i dont think the states will collapse? Although he may be right about our countrys moral.....they definitely broke the mold on Americans. Russia is definitely salavating at our demise, but if they try invading any U.S. soil it would just be an all out war. And if theres one thing America isnt short on is new and improved military weapons.

There's a lot of talk in Texas about this. Most of the people you'd talk to are all for a second Republic of Texas, reclaiming independence of the Republic from 1836 to 1845. Most say that Texas would be better off on its own. I've heard some say "they need us (the U.S.), but we don't need them." This might not work for most other states though. Of course Texas has a history of being an independent nation, and it's people always say "Texas first everybody else second." Personally, I believe that the talk of this will only become greater in the coming years. Especially when payments on B.O.'s spending bill comes due, and more people in Texas wonder why they have to pay for failed states like California and others.

[ImNewHere]

What socilalist did you live under?

B. Hussein Obama. Just like the rest of us.

[Bolshevik Hunter]

Most definitely.^^^


Well BH,you will have my attention from now on.




I am not sure why but just reading the above makes my blood boil. I can't stand to be lied to,swindled or jacked with using jingoistic political jargon and yet I was.

Dreamy, Well my friend, Atleast we can feel better to know that we are not alone in our anger? The positive news is that people are starting to wake up. We can thank the freedom of the internet, and even a few of the Networks who still allow independent thought and those minds to report. Atleast for now anyway. They want to silence them though. ~BH

[Dreamy]

Dreamy, Well my friend, Atleast we can feel better to know that we are not alone in our anger? The positive news is that people are starting to wake up. We can thank the freedom of the internet, and even a few of the Networks who still allow independent thought and those minds to report. Atleast for now anyway. They want to silence them though. ~BH

But what can we do? My vote means squat in my state and in truth I have not liked the last choices anyhow. Is there anyone in politics not in on this?

[King Cantona]

Wish I had a crystal ball like the one he's obviously got.......:mrgreen:........

[poorblackman]

unfortunately...I also believe he is correct..
I'm not so sure about the breaking up into 6 regions...

here's another source where he says gay men are playing a role in the breakdown...so that makes him suspect...imo
But I still think it could happen

Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090304/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_us_the_end_is_near

When Globalist Gordon gets two separate standing ovations from Congress today...and considering the path the USA is currently headed...
Hell...you would have to totality have ur head in the sand not to see what is coming our way...

I guess he got his ideas from this board where people were calling for succession.

[wayoverthehill]

Why, oh why, is it so hard to get the word right?

It's SECESSION, not succession.

It ain't rocket science.

Sorry, I'm not usually a grammar policewoman but there is no excuse for this.

(rant over)

:D

[BillBrown]

Ya think so? I dunno, The times are definitely getting darker, but predictions like "America breaking off into 6 seperate regions within a year" is extreme. Even if the unemployment rate drops to 20% i dont think the states will collapse? Although he may be right about our countrys moral.....they definitely broke the mold on Americans. Russia is definitely salavating at our demise, but if they try invading any U.S. soil it would just be an all out war. And if theres one thing America isnt short on is new and improved military weapons.

Something being "extreme" does not mean it won't happen.

If you would have told someone in 1985 that within 6 years the Soviet Union would dissolve, you would have been labeled a kook, if not worse.

We live in extreme times.

[Samm]

WHA???????? Where does he get this "theory" from, the clear blue sky?

This whack job has been predicting this for at least 10 years. He just hopes he is proven right before Russia collapses.

[BillBrown]

Ya might wanna read my post again? I said "America breaking off into 6 regions within a year is extreme"(2010). Nor is America a communist Soviet Union from 1985. So yes, i will state again that it is extreme to think that America will be seperated in 6 regions within 10 months. p.s. Things like Y2K were extreme, and i think you know the rest....

And I'll repeat.
Just because something is thought to be "extreme" (whatever that means), does not mean it wont happen.

[Samm]

And I'll repeat.
Just because something is thought to be "extreme" (whatever that means), does not mean it wont happen.

Nor does it mean it will...

Pretty much everything either will or will not happen.

[Dreamy]

This whack job has been predicting this for at least 10 years. He just hopes he is proven right before Russia collapses.

Yup I said that earlier in the thread. Nothing he says is based on hard evidence.

[angelicmadrigal]

My guess is the basis of his assumption is his experience of the break of the Soviet Union. ::shrugs::

[Samm]

My guess is the basis of his assumption is his experience of the break of the Soviet Union. ::shrugs::

... and maybe his faith in Obama. ;)

[rob_b52]

This amounts to a self fullfilling prophecy... if enough people believe this will happen, it will....

nobody has answered my question though....

If worse comes to worse, what will you do? where will you go?

[angelicmadrigal]

... and maybe his faith in Obama. ;)

I doubt he really gives two ****s about Obama. My answer is the more logical one.

But you never know. :)

[angelicmadrigal]

If worse comes to worse, what will you do? where will you go?

Depends on how bad you're talking. My bf could very easily get a job teaching English in Japan, so you know ::shrugs::

[Dreamy]

This amounts to a self fullfilling prophecy... if enough people believe this will happen, it will....

nobody has answered my question though....

If worse comes to worse, what will you do? where will you go?


Sailing the high seas.

Seriously,this guy is former KGB. Their specialty is propaganda. I will take it as that based on his lack of any true hard evidence.

[AugustGem]

This amounts to a self fullfilling prophecy... if enough people believe this will happen, it will....

nobody has answered my question though....

If worse comes to worse, what will you do? where will you go?

Northern Ireland. I can transfer with my company. It isn't my ideal but if I *had* to go. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with flat leaving my country though. People fought and died for it, I'd hope I'd stay to work on getting its greatness back

[ImNewHere]

Why, oh why, is it so hard to get the word right?

It's SECESSION, not succession.

It ain't rocket science.

Sorry, I'm not usually a grammar policewoman but there is no excuse for this.

(rant over)

:D

Since when did Obama voters ever get accused of being bright?

[ImNewHere]

This whack job has been predicting this for at least 10 years. He just hopes he is proven right before Russia collapses.

Russia will collapse. Right now they're closer than we are. The difference is that they'll be stronger when they recover. There is a strong possibility that we won't.

[ImNewHere]

My guess is the basis of his assumption is his experience of the break of the Soviet Union. ::shrugs::

I guess if you're completely uninformed about the history of the Soviet Union and how it is completely different from the history of the United States, I can understand why you would guess that.

[angelicmadrigal]

I guess if you're completely uninformed about the history of the Soviet Union and how it is completely different from the history of the United States, I can understand why you would guess that.
Actually, it one of the reasons I find his statements completely ludicrous, because I beleive he is going on the assumptiont hat the situation is somehow similiar. So it has nothing to do with MY lack of historical knowledge and everything to do with what is fairly evident is HIS lack of knowledge. Speaking of lacck of knowledge.....you still haven't told me how all that reading up I gave you about gypsies is going? Guess you really weren't willing to put your money where your mouth was, hrmmm?

[ImNewHere]

Actually, it one of the reasons I find his statements completely ludicrous, because I beleive he is going on the assumptiont hat the situation is somehow similiar. So it has nothing to do with MY lack of historical knowledge and everything to do with what is fairly evident is HIS lack of knowledge. Speaking of lacck of knowledge.....you still haven't told me how all that reading up I gave you about gypsies is going? Guess you really weren't willing to put your money where your mouth was, hrmmm?

He's a former KGB analyst. He's a dean at a school for future diplomats and you're saying he doesn't have any knowledge of either Soviet or US history? I guess I could buy that if he had gone to the school you do, but I don't find any evidence that he did.

So you can change the subject to a bunch of thieves dressed like Barbara Eden in "I Dream of Jeannie" if you want, but since you lack basic history of Eastern Europe or the United States, you're not in a position to accuse a Russian scholar of not knowing the difference between US and Russian history.

[angelicmadrigal]

He's a former KGB analyst.
And seems to be a very successful one too ::sarcasm:: Evidently he's made the prediciton more than once, and it wasn't right then either.


He's a dean at a school for future diplomats and you're saying he doesn't have any knowledge of either Soviet or US history?
I"m saying he seems to be drawing parallels that may not be correct. Which means his information might be reliable (or not), but his reasoning may not be.



So you can change the subject to a bunch of thieves dressed like Barbara Eden in "I Dream of Jeannie" if you want, but since you lack basic history of Eastern Europe or the United States, you're not in a position to accuse a Russian scholar of not knowing the difference between US and Russian history.
So basically, you chickened out. I see. SO you'll trsut someone that made the same prediction in the past and it was wrong then....some expert.

[ImNewHere]

I"m saying he seems to be drawing parallels that may not be correct. Which means his information might be reliable (or not), but his reasoning may not be.

Well, if there's anyone on this board who is an expert on incorrect parallels, it would be you. :rolleyes:

The substance of the debate is not whether he is right or not. I'm just showing your argument that he's basing his prediction on what happened to the Soviet Union is wrong. He's not because there's no "parallel" that he's "drawing" because you have little or no idea what has happened in the past.... in Eastern Europe or the United States and you have little or no knowledge about what is going on now.

[angelicmadrigal]

Well, if there's anyone on this board who is an expert on incorrect parallels, it would be you. :rolleyes:
Ooo, let's just make this personal shall we? I really have all night if you want to venture into that realm.


The substance of the debate is not whether he is right or not.

There is no debate here. My point is the guy is full of crap.

And what about my statement "proves" I don't know about this "history" that evidently you MUST know something about. Do tell can't wait to hear.

And evidently he must have pulled the whole splitting up into smaller states idea out of his ass, because you know that NEVER happened to the Soviet Union. Nope, not ever at any point, expecially not in RECENT history. ::whistles::

[ImNewHere]

Ooo, let's just make this personal shall we? I really have all night if you want to venture into that realm.

It's not personal at all. You show yourself to be incorrect frequently and I'm pointing out that you're doing it again. Although I'd like to "have all night" I really don't. I have a job to go to in the morning. But it will be fun to tear apart any opinion you have while I can.

There is no debate here. My point is the guy is full of crap.

Based on what? Your "guess?" What you "believe?" How is any of that credible when you don't put anything of substance forward other than that?

And what about my statement "proves" I don't know about this "history" that evidently you MUST know something about. Do tell can't wait to hear.

See the previous comment. You base your entire argument on your "guess" and what you "believe" without any proof of anything. Go search your posts. That's what you wrote.

And evidently he must have pulled the whole splitting up into smaller states idea out of his ass, because you know that NEVER happened to the Soviet Union. Nope, not ever at any point, expecially not in RECENT history. ::whistles::

"Evidently?" What evidence do you have that he based his conclusion on the breakup of the US because of the breakup of the Soviet Union. You're making assumptions about his motives based on your guesses and your beliefs, not of anything substantial. Some facts would be nice once in a while if you want to defend your position.

I'm going to LMAO when you compare the events in South Ossetia and Russia with the reunification of East and West Germany! It makes about as much sense as your other argument and it is based on about as many facts.

[BillBrown]

And seems to be a very successful one too ::sarcasm:: Evidently he's made the prediciton more than once, and it wasn't right then either.



That's not quite true.
He has been predicting since 1998 that the US would collapse in 2010.


In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

[angelicmadrigal]

It's not personal at all. You show yourself to be incorrect frequently and I'm pointing out that you're doing it again.
Nah, it's just your standard method of harassing me, becaue you think it's cute, not because you have any counter proof to anythign I'm saying.


Although I'd like to "have all night" I really don't. I have a job to go to in the morning. But it will be fun to tear apart any opinion you have while I can.

I have work int the morning too, and I bet I get up LONG before you do. And you haven't torn apart a damn thing, that takes evidence of your own which you are too lazy to provide so I could say the sky is red, and if you can't prove otherwise your counter is worthless.


Based on what? Your "guess?" What you "believe?" How is any of that credible when you don't put anything of substance forward other than that?
Because i don't feel like it, and I don't have to prove anything to you unless I want to. As for your "other than that" comment, you just can't deal with the fact that you can't answer my question so you scramble...as usual. ::yawns:: BORING!



See the previous comment. You base your entire argument on your "guess" and what you "believe" without any proof of anything. Go search your posts. That's what you wrote.
So? I can assume whatever I like. If you want to believe he got the idea out of thin air and it has no basis in his personal experience that's your bussiness, I don't care. I'm sure he just pulled the idea out of his ass....::eyeroll::



"Evidently?" What evidence do you have that he based his conclusion on the breakup of the US because of the breakup of the Soviet Union.
Well what is YOUR theory where he came up with it the, if you're so smart? Care to offer a counter theory to mine, or are oyu just running your mouth to be contrary?


You're making assumptions about his motives based on your guesses and your beliefs, not of anything substantial. Some facts would be nice once in a while if you want to defend your position.
People commonly base thier theories on personal expereince or trends they see aroudn them, it's no new or innovative concept.


It makes about as much sense as your other argument and it is based on about as many facts.
It doens't make sense to you because you don't think about the way people think. Again if you pretend like you know something, but you don't, or you'd offer an actual counter argument...rather than jsut try to poke holes in mine. No individual thought of your own that doesn't ride on the back of someone elses though...that really is so sad. ::faux sniffles::

[angelicmadrigal]

That's not quite true.
He has been predicting since 1998 that the US would collapse in 2010.




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

Seems to be the case, I read something wrong earlier.

Though it still seems at least according to that article other Russian experts aren't exactly on board with his thinking here. So, I dont know how realiable a person that can't even garner the support of other experts is.

Plus some of the stuff is pretty ludicrous. Why would Alaska go back to Russia, of California be under the cultural influence of China? It doens't make a whole lot of sense.

[ImNewHere]

Nah, it's just your standard method of harassing me, becaue you think it's cute, not because you have any counter proof to anythign I'm saying.

No need to harass you or anyone else. It's against the TOS. It's called debating. Presenting an argument. If you can't defend your positions on a board that thrives on the exchange of ideas, don't call it harassment, call it what it is: losing the debate. :lol:

I have work int the morning too, and I bet I get up LONG before you do.

And you don't feel the need to get any sleep whatsoever? I wouldn't expect to keep that job much longer if I were you. Unless you've got a position of no responsibility. Government?

And you haven't torn apart a damn thing, that takes evidence of your own which you are too lazy to provide so I could say the sky is red, and if you can't prove otherwise your counter is worthless.

I'm sure you would say the sky is red. It's about as accurate as anything else you've posted in this thread. However, your dismissal of the Russian dean's credentials is noted, just as your "guesses" and "beliefs" are dismissed by everyone else.


Because i don't feel like it, and I don't have to prove anything to you unless I want to. As for your "other than that" comment, you just can't deal with the fact that you can't answer my question so you scramble...as usual. ::yawns:: BORING!

A little backpeddling. At least you know when you've lost.

So? I can assume whatever I like. If you want to believe he got the idea out of thin air and it has no basis in his personal experience that's your bussiness, I don't care. I'm sure he just pulled the idea out of his ass....::eyeroll::

If any idea was pulled out of an ass, it wasn't his. By your logic, if there is sunshine in the United States and there was sunshine in the Soviet Union, then the weather is exactly the same in both countries. If Russia has telephones and the United States has telephones, they are the same country. :rolleyes:

Well what is YOUR theory where he came up with it the, if you're so smart? Care to offer a counter theory to mine, or are oyu just running your mouth to be contrary?

I haven't met the man. Don't know him and can't speak for him and someone who wants to educate themselves wouldn't try to. An informed person would want to read it, think about it and come up with their own conclusion about it. And it certainly would be more well thought out than what you put up.

People commonly base thier theories on personal expereince or trends they see aroudn them, it's no new or innovative concept.

Which is the problem. I noticed education or being informed didn't make that short list you have. It really isn't a new or innovative way of thinking. It's proof that common sense is not so common.

It doens't make sense to you because you don't think about the way people think. Again if you pretend like you know something, but you don't, or you'd offer an actual counter argument...rather than jsut try to poke holes in mine. No individual thought of your own that doesn't ride on the back of someone elses though...that really is so sad. ::faux sniffles::

Actually, I wouldn't waste a lot of time thinking about the way other people think. If I did, I would come up with the same uneducated and informed conclusions. I prefer to think logically, and educate myself as much as I can on a subject before I offer an opinion. If others did, this nation wouldn't be in the mess it's currently in.

So.... if you'd like to continue this, I'll be on this weekend. But I'm expected to be coherent on the job. If you're going to pull an all-nighter responding to this, be my guest. But my next post will not be at the expense of my employer.