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BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 7:08 pm
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions.
drylok
March 4th, 2009, 7:47 pm
my favorite ammo only comes in .45. :cool:
ConstitutionHugger
March 4th, 2009, 7:55 pm
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions.
My favorite ammo is my brand. My own handloaded ammo.
I have used the Gold dot Bullets and I have been pleases. Hydrashocks and El Dorado Starfires are good too
Hornady has a new Critical defense line that looks very promising that would be worth looking in to
rob_b52
March 4th, 2009, 7:59 pm
guns and ammo go together like peanut butter and jelly..... love and marriage....and those post confessional blues....
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 8:00 pm
My favorite ammo is my brand. My own handloaded ammo.
I have used the Gold dot Bullets and I have been pleases. Hydrashocks and El Dorado Starfires are good too
Hornady has a new Critical defense line that looks very promising that would be worth looking in to
I wonder how buffalo bore ammo is, their 158 gr +P ammo loaded in a .38 special shows these statistics: 1,000fps/M.E. 351 ft.lbs.
That is quite a punch for a .38 special revolver.
Samm
March 4th, 2009, 8:02 pm
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions.
44 Magnum; home grown; predominantly 240 grn SWC w/8 grns of Bullseye.
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 8:04 pm
44 Magnum; home grown.
Do you have any preferences on ammo?
rob_b52
March 4th, 2009, 8:08 pm
a gun without ammo is just a club for killing baby seals....
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 8:10 pm
44 Magnum; home grown; predominantly 240 grn SWC w/8 grns of Bullseye.
I was a bit disappointed as last weekend I bought the Ruger SP101 is .38 Special. I originally wanted a .357 but the gun shop last weekend didn't have one.
Today I went to a gun shop and saw a .357 GP100 and was kicking myself. Of course it was $150 more but the versatility and the increased power is worth it.
Oh well, I guess for home defense where the farthest away I will need to shoot is 5-7 yards the .38 special loaded with the 135 gr gold dots will be more than enough.
Samm
March 4th, 2009, 8:16 pm
Do you have any preferences on ammo?
That is ammo.
ALBOB2
March 4th, 2009, 8:17 pm
I was a bit disappointed as last weekend I bought the Ruger SP101 is .38 Special. I originally wanted a .357 but the gun shop last weekend didn't have one.
Today I went to a gun shop and saw a .357 GP100 and was kicking myself. Of course it was $150 more but the versatility and the increased power is worth it.
Oh well, I guess for home defense where the farthest away I will need to shoot is 5-7 yards the .38 special loaded with the 135 gr gold dots will be more than enough.
I'm confused, the SP-101 IS a .357. I know, I own two.
As far as ammo is concerned; when I'm shooting anything other than self defense I shoot my own handloads. I can custom tailor them to suit each and every gun.
For personal defense I shoot what our local LEO's shoot, Federal Personal Defense rounds. I was advised by one of my LEO friends said that if I ever have to shoot and am taken to court it'll be much easier to defend myself if I didn't use some sort of exotic "evil" bullets.
rob_b52
March 4th, 2009, 8:21 pm
I shoot my own handloads.
nope... not gonna do it.... dont say it Rob...just dont do it.....:)):))
Samm
March 4th, 2009, 8:23 pm
I was a bit disappointed as last weekend I bought the Ruger SP101 is .38 Special. I originally wanted a .357 but the gun shop last weekend didn't have one.
Today I went to a gun shop and saw a .357 GP100 and was kicking myself. Of course it was $150 more but the versatility and the increased power is worth it.
Oh well, I guess for home defense where the farthest away I will need to shoot is 5-7 yards the .38 special loaded with the 135 gr gold dots will be more than enough.
Yes it will. The .38 Special, before the advent of the .357 magnum, was considered the cat's meow (in the vernacular of the day ;) ) for an anti personnel round and they did not have great defense bullets like gold dots then. And people are no harder to kill now than they ever were.
But you should buy the GP100 too. ;)
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 8:44 pm
I'm confused, the SP-101 IS a .357. I know, I own two.
As far as ammo is concerned; when I'm shooting anything other than self defense I shoot my own handloads. I can custom tailor them to suit each and every gun.
For personal defense I shoot what our local LEO's shoot, Federal Personal Defense rounds. I was advised by one of my LEO friends said that if I ever have to shoot and am taken to court it'll be much easier to defend myself if I didn't use some sort of exotic "evil" bullets.
I thought the SP-101 came in .38 special as well. I do not have the gun as I am waiting on my permit so it is still at the gun shop. On my receipt the guy wrote Ruger SP-101. Is it possible that it is a GP100?
I thought I read that the SP-101 does come in .38 special though.
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 8:45 pm
I'm confused, the SP-101 IS a .357. I know, I own two.
As far as ammo is concerned; when I'm shooting anything other than self defense I shoot my own handloads. I can custom tailor them to suit each and every gun.
For personal defense I shoot what our local LEO's shoot, Federal Personal Defense rounds. I was advised by one of my LEO friends said that if I ever have to shoot and am taken to court it'll be much easier to defend myself if I didn't use some sort of exotic "evil" bullets.
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=101490
This is exactly what my gun looks like.
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 8:47 pm
Yes it will. The .38 Special, before the advent of the .357 magnum, was considered the cat's meow (in the vernacular of the day ;) ) for an anti personnel round and they did not have great defense bullets like gold dots then. And people are no harder to kill now than they ever were.
But you should buy the GP100 too. ;)
I probably will not buy the GP100 as much as I would love to. Maybe down the road I will but right now I am going to hold off.
Damn that gun felt good in my hands though.
TinCan
March 4th, 2009, 9:12 pm
I probably will not buy the GP100 as much as I would love to. Maybe down the road I will but right now I am going to hold off.
Damn that gun felt good in my hands though.
If you don't have one then I would recommend getting a shotgun to go with your new pistol. Nothing like the sound of a 12 ga pump being cycled to chamber a round to scare off the smarter bad guys. :)
TinCan
March 4th, 2009, 9:18 pm
Golden saber or Remington LEO for the pistols, #6 shot for the double-barrel, and .30 SP for the carbine unless I'm plinking then FMJ but definately NO steel cased Wolfe for the M1 carbine, it doesn't like them. Just got my S&B shipment in today along with my bolt tool and a new set of springs so here soon I'll take her to the range. :)
ConstitutionHugger
March 4th, 2009, 9:19 pm
38spcl +p will certainly do a good job. For my wifes Airweight i have 158gr HPs that are handloads that on the commercial market would be considered 38spcl +P+ and it likes them very well and gives a bit more velocity out of that snubby barrel but is a biach on you hands for more than a few rounds at the range.
TinCan
March 4th, 2009, 9:21 pm
44 Magnum; home grown; predominantly 240 grn SWC w/8 grns of Bullseye.
Yeah, I've heard it be said that the field mice are especially vicious up there. ;) Though some Texan once told me that they aren't as big as the ones they have. :D
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 9:22 pm
Golden saber or Remington LEO for the pistols, #6 shot for the double-barrel, and .30 SP for the carbine unless I'm plinking then FMJ but definately NO steel cased Wolfe for the M1 carbine, it doesn't like them. Just got my S&B shipment in today along with my bolt tool and a new set of springs so here soon I'll take her to the range. :)
I've read mixed reviews about the golden sabers. Although in one article I read that 125 gr bullet had the highest 1 shot stops at something like 78%.
BeatlesSteve
March 4th, 2009, 9:23 pm
38spcl +p will certainly do a good job. For my wifes Airweight i have 158gr HPs that are handloads that on the commercial market would be considered 38spcl +P+ and it likes them very well and gives a bit more velocity out of that snubby barrel but is a biach on you hands for more than a few rounds at the range.
What is +P+? Are those stronger than +P?
TinCan
March 4th, 2009, 9:30 pm
I've read mixed reviews about the golden sabers. Although in one article I read that 125 gr bullet had the highest 1 shot stops at something like 78%.
Haven't had a problem with them. I've also got some Winchester Ranger LEO rounds.
TinCan
March 4th, 2009, 9:33 pm
Not to hijack the thread or anything but does anyone have a recommendation for larger grips for a little Rossi .38 Special?
BillBrown
March 4th, 2009, 9:58 pm
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions.
The table I posted for you the other day is the best information available on the effectiveness of the commercial ammo.
It isn't based on what somebody thinks- it's a study of actual street shootings.
drylok
March 4th, 2009, 10:11 pm
Steve,
Just out of curiousity are you a new gun owner or just new to handguns? Also what state are you in if I may ask?
ConstitutionHugger
March 4th, 2009, 11:22 pm
What is +P+? Are those stronger than +P?
Absolutely. They are usually classified as Law enforcement Only due to the pressures generated being on the very bleeding edge of the safe limits set by SAAMI.
+P stands for plus Power or extra Power
+P+ means extra plus power
spearmaster
March 5th, 2009, 4:35 am
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions.
M2 ball .30-06 for my M1 Garand is my favorite but I must say my .45 ACP for my 1911 comes in a close second.
sgtmac_46
March 5th, 2009, 8:01 am
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions. So long as the gun likes it, that's what matters. Ultimately skill at arms and shot placement is far more important than the given magic bullet du jour.
Which means, buy a lot of cheap ammo, and practice, practice, practice.
Honestly, I don't care whether my carry handgun is loaded with Super ++++PPPPP Mega, Upper-Dupper Ultra-magic-extreme expansion loads, or just cheap practice ammo.......it really isn't much of a consideration, more than making sure my gun cycles it reliably.
I'll kill a man just as fast with FMJ cheapos as with the expensive stuff. Granted, I throw Federal Hydroshoks in my G22C and Corbons in my 1911.......but if I forget to trade out my target ammunition, I don't sweat it.
A hard heart, steady hands, trigger control and shot placement is what kills men......amateurs talk hardware.....professionals talk tactics and training.
BeatlesSteve
March 5th, 2009, 8:23 am
Steve,
Just out of curiousity are you a new gun owner or just new to handguns? Also what state are you in if I may ask?
I am a new gun owner & new to hand guns. I am in NC.
ConstitutionHugger
March 5th, 2009, 8:55 am
...
Honestly, I don't care whether my carry handgun is loaded with Super ++++PPPPP Mega, Upper-Dupper Ultra-magic-extreme expansion loads, or just cheap practice ammo.......it really isn't much of a consideration, more than making sure my gun cycles it reliably.
I'll kill a man just as fast with FMJ cheapos as with the expensive stuff. Granted, I throw Federal Hydroshoks in my G22C and Corbons in my 1911.......but if I forget to trade out my target ammunition, I don't sweat it.
...
I know what you mean, what I have noticed about the +P's in my 1911 and esp my P95 9mm (+P+) the guns cycle more reliability since they still cycle flawlessly with the +P and +P+ loads regardless of limpwristing or not
BeatlesSteve
March 5th, 2009, 9:27 am
I know what you mean, what I have noticed about the +P's in my 1911 and esp my P95 9mm (+P+) the guns cycle more reliability since they still cycle flawlessly with the +P and +P+ loads regardless of limpwristing or not
Can you explain what you mean by the "gun cycle."
birddog1
March 5th, 2009, 10:15 am
I prefer boxer primed NATO spec 7.62x51 for my M14 as it provides me with some really good brass to reload after I have shot it.
For my .45 H&K I practice with "cheap" Winchester white box ammo and carry Federal Hydrashock.
For my shotguns I like Winchester AA as they are inexpensive, have a good hull for reloading, and shoot very well.
birddog1
March 5th, 2009, 10:18 am
Can you explain what you mean by the "gun cycle."
He is talking about a semi-auto operating reliably. The ability of the ammo to feed into the weapon, fire, and then eject to clear room for the next round. Some brands of ammo are better than others and feed better through certain guns, also there can be a big difference between how different types of ammo feed through a praticular weapon.
ALBOB2
March 5th, 2009, 1:21 pm
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=101490
This is exactly what my gun looks like.
Okay, my bad. I just looked it up and they do offer the SP-101 in .38 Special. My question to you is, why would you get it? You obviously want a .357 and they're exactly the same price, go ahead and get what you want. You can still shoot .38 Special ammo out of the .357 when you're practicing.
ConstitutionHugger
March 5th, 2009, 2:18 pm
He is talking about a semi-auto operating reliably. The ability of the ammo to feed into the weapon, fire, and then eject to clear room for the next round. Some brands of ammo are better than others and feed better through certain guns, also there can be a big difference between how different types of ammo feed through a praticular weapon.
Another thing to add, for those who don't know what "limp-wristing" when it comes to shooting.
A semiauto handgun (like all semi autos) needs a relatively solid "base" to recoil against so that the slide can recoil back to sufficiently clear the round, When oyu "limpwrist" your wrist moves back either too fast or to far (or both) for the gun to recoil against and you get a jam. In my experiance this usually occurs from a load that is too light for the springs in the action (my P95 is notorious for this), and when you use extra power loads the slide comes back faster and with more energy than with lighter loads and makes it harder to have a Failure to feed (FTF) from a slight "limpwrist". It (limpwristing) can still affect the cycle with +P loads but it takes a more pronounced limpwrist to do it.
drylok
March 5th, 2009, 5:43 pm
I am a new gun owner & new to hand guns. I am in NC.
I just wanted to suggest you seek the training and other criteria required for your state and get a CCW permit.
A right that goes unexercised is a right that shall perish
Congradulations and welcome to the growing trend of lawful possesion of firearms!
Drew2
March 5th, 2009, 5:45 pm
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions.
Right now my favorite ammo is whatever I can get my hands on. I have a .380 and ammo's pretty hard to come by. For the range, basically any ball ammo will do. My gun cycles any and everything I put through it flawlessly.
For defense, I have PMC Starfire 95 GR JHP and just a couple of hours ago picked up a box of Winchester 85 GR silvertip HP. I suspect the silvertips will help with expansion in regards to the caliber.
Just remember, shot placement is more important than any type of ammo or caliber.
drylok
March 5th, 2009, 5:45 pm
Another thing to add, for those who don't know what "limp-wristing" when it comes to shooting.
A semiauto handgun (like all semi autos) needs a relatively solid "base" to recoil against so that the slide can recoil back to sufficiently clear the round, When oyu "limpwrist" your wrist moves back either too fast or to far (or both) for the gun to recoil against and you get a jam. In my experiance this usually occurs from a load that is too light for the springs in the action (my P95 is notorious for this), and when you use extra power loads the slide comes back faster and with more energy than with lighter loads and makes it harder to have a Failure to feed (FTF) from a slight "limpwrist". It (limpwristing) can still affect the cycle with +P loads but it takes a more pronounced limpwrist to do it.
Now that is something I didn't realize about handguns. Thank you for the tid bit!
MrShotShot
March 5th, 2009, 5:55 pm
Whatever the type and size, I personally like to keep plenty on hand. I have to maintain my arsenal status you know.
I'm proud of the fact that most drawers in my house have a loaded Garand clip in them.
ConstitutionHugger
March 5th, 2009, 6:52 pm
Whatever the type and size, I personally like to keep plenty on hand. I have to maintain my arsenal status you know.
I'm proud of the fact that most drawers in my house have a loaded Garand clip in them.
Glad to know i'm not the only "crazy gun nut" that has thousands of rounds on hand to feed my babies
BeatlesSteve
March 5th, 2009, 7:35 pm
I just wanted to suggest you seek the training and other criteria required for your state and get a CCW permit.
A right that goes unexercised is a right that shall perish
Congradulations and welcome to the growing trend of lawful possesion of firearms!
Thank you & thank you to all that have responded. I am thinking about getting my CCW permit in due time.
I should receive my purchase permit on Monday so I can go to the gun shop and take the gun home. I have really gotten into guns, ammo and everything in between.
Samm
March 5th, 2009, 8:45 pm
Whatever the type and size, I personally like to keep plenty on hand. I have to maintain my arsenal status you know.
I'm proud of the fact that most drawers in my house have a loaded Garand clip in them.
And here I just thought you were happy to see me. :D
ConstitutionHugger
March 5th, 2009, 9:33 pm
Thank you & thank you to all that have responded. I am thinking about getting my CCW permit in due time.
I should receive my purchase permit on Monday so I can go to the gun shop and take the gun home. I have really gotten into guns, ammo and everything in between.
Watch it! It is extremely addictive the pic in my sig is about 3-4 months old yet there are a few guns and thousands of rounds of ammo that i have now that i didn't then. Now I am getting a couple of evil hicap mags for my pistols (32rd for my P95, 15rd for my 1911):eek:
In all seriousness, shooting is a very fun and useful past time that I think every American should try. I introduced my wife to it and she is hooked there is only 1 thing she enjoys more than shooting and I'm not allowed to mention that on these boards:D
Samm
March 6th, 2009, 4:00 pm
Thank you & thank you to all that have responded. I am thinking about getting my CCW permit in due time.
I should receive my purchase permit on Monday so I can go to the gun shop and take the gun home. I have really gotten into guns, ammo and everything in between.
You poor sods that have to get permission from your Government to exercise your Constitutional rights... :neutral:
Those of us who still live in America do not need permits to buy guns or to carry them... openly or concealed.
Drew2
March 6th, 2009, 4:15 pm
You poor sods that have to get permission from your Government to exercise your Constitutional rights... :neutral:
Those of us who still live in America do not need permits to buy guns or to carry them... openly or concealed.
Huh? Where do you live?
BillBrown
March 6th, 2009, 4:21 pm
You poor sods that have to get permission from your Government to exercise your Constitutional rights... :neutral:
Those of us who still live in America do not need permits to buy guns or to carry them... openly or concealed.
I opposed the Texas Concealed Carry law, for that very reason.
To favor it, implied that we did not already have the right to bear arms.
Cold_War_Warrior
March 6th, 2009, 4:33 pm
Speaking of thousands of rounds…
Where is a good place to buy in bulk online that is cheap?
Most of my local gun shops sellout fast of common ammo that I need/want. .45acp and 12gauge buckshot.
I’ve used Federal Premium Hyda-Shok Personal Defense in my .45 and keep two mags loaded with it but, that is way too expensive for me to buy a case of.
Where’s the cheap stuff?
birddog1
March 6th, 2009, 5:45 pm
Speaking of thousands of rounds…
Where is a good place to buy in bulk online that is cheap?
Most of my local gun shops sellout fast of common ammo that I need/want. .45acp and 12gauge buckshot.
I’ve used Federal Premium Hyda-Shok Personal Defense in my .45 and keep two mags loaded with it but, that is way too expensive for me to buy a case of.
Where’s the cheap stuff?
It has gotten to the point that you just have to buy ammo where you can find it if the price is suitable.
Here is a site that list the cheapest 7.62x51 on the internet but most of the sites listed on it will also carry other calibers.
http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/showthread.php?t=23308
TinCan
March 6th, 2009, 7:21 pm
Speaking of thousands of rounds…
Where is a good place to buy in bulk online that is cheap?
Most of my local gun shops sellout fast of common ammo that I need/want. .45acp and 12gauge buckshot.
I’ve used Federal Premium Hyda-Shok Personal Defense in my .45 and keep two mags loaded with it but, that is way too expensive for me to buy a case of.
Where’s the cheap stuff?
Go to Walley World (Walmart) and see what they have. Usually their prices are reasonable and they carry both of those calibers.
Samm
March 6th, 2009, 11:22 pm
Huh? Where do you live?
I live in America... the better question is where do you live?
Samm
March 6th, 2009, 11:27 pm
I opposed the Texas Concealed Carry law, for that very reason.
To favor it, implied that we did not already have the right to bear arms.
Alaska also has provisions for a CCP. A State issued permit is required for reciprocity to carry in other permit issuing States. I believe Vermont does as well.
drylok
March 6th, 2009, 11:44 pm
You poor sods that have to get permission from your Government to exercise your Constitutional rights... :neutral:
Those of us who still live in America do not need permits to buy guns or to carry them... openly or concealed.
Ya and then you have my freak'n state that doesn't allow it period. But we're working to change that. :)
sgtmac_46
March 7th, 2009, 3:40 am
I know what you mean, what I have noticed about the +P's in my 1911 and esp my P95 9mm (+P+) the guns cycle more reliability since they still cycle flawlessly with the +P and +P+ loads regardless of limpwristing or not
THAT is the most important consideration with ammunition.....how does it function in your gun, especially with semi-autos, some of which can be ammunition sensitive.
One should be VERY careful switching up ammunition in a semi-auto. One should put a few boxes of what they are considering carrying through their gun BEFORE relying on it for personal defense. The time to learn that your gun doesn't like that particular brand or load is at the range, NOT in the middle of a gun fight! :eek:
sgtmac_46
March 7th, 2009, 3:42 am
Another thing to add, for those who don't know what "limp-wristing" when it comes to shooting.
A semiauto handgun (like all semi autos) needs a relatively solid "base" to recoil against so that the slide can recoil back to sufficiently clear the round, When oyu "limpwrist" your wrist moves back either too fast or to far (or both) for the gun to recoil against and you get a jam. In my experiance this usually occurs from a load that is too light for the springs in the action (my P95 is notorious for this), and when you use extra power loads the slide comes back faster and with more energy than with lighter loads and makes it harder to have a Failure to feed (FTF) from a slight "limpwrist". It (limpwristing) can still affect the cycle with +P loads but it takes a more pronounced limpwrist to do it.
GLOCK handguns are also, likewise, prone to limp wristing FTF's......it's another one of those training issues that's resolved on the square range.
sgtmac_46
March 7th, 2009, 3:43 am
Glad to know i'm not the only "crazy gun nut" that has thousands of rounds on hand to feed my babies I try to keep that much on hand, but it's like Lays potato chips with me......I can't just shoot 100 rounds.
sgtmac_46
March 7th, 2009, 3:56 am
I am a new gun owner & new to hand guns. I am in NC.
May I suggest a little formal training would enhance your skill, confidence and enjoyment, as well as your ability to utilize that new gun to it's maximum effect if need be.
There's several decent training organizations close to you, one that i'm familiar with puts on training in South Carolina from time to time. You might check them out. They also make training videos.
http://www.tacticalresponse.com/schedule.php
My recommendation would be to try to attend one of their two day 'Fighting Pistol' courses, especially if your intent is to potentially use your new handgun in self-defense. They cover more than just the physical skills of using a handgun, but the legal aspects of using deadly force, and the tactical aspects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bybVAMJ6J24&feature=related
And don't be intimidated because you're a beginner. The 'Fighting Pistol' class is designed to bring a brand new novice up to speed. The training is world class, and it'll take you from newbie, to beyond the knowledge and skill of most gun owners in just two days.
If you can't find the time to go to a class immediately, TR and other training companies, including Thunder Ranch/Clint Smith, produce EXCELLENT high quality training books and videos. Find a range somewhere to shoot, get the videos and the books, read up on training methodologies and start working on them. While books and videos aren't a substitute formal training, it's far better than nothing.
Drew2
March 7th, 2009, 9:40 am
I live in America... the better question is where do you live?
I live in Texas. I guess I just misunderstood your statement as I thought the poster you were replying to lived in one of the Carolinas. But then again I did just move back here from living almost 20 years in Chicago. You cannot have a gun there period!
Spock
March 7th, 2009, 1:35 pm
I wonder how buffalo bore ammo is, their 158 gr +P ammo loaded in a .38 special shows these statistics: 1,000fps/M.E. 351 ft.lbs.
That is quite a punch for a .38 special revolver.
Indeed. However, double check that your revolver can handle +P ammo. You wouldn't want it to explode in your hand.:angel:
Spock
March 7th, 2009, 1:37 pm
I live in Texas. I guess I just misunderstood your statement as I thought the poster you were replying to lived in one of the Carolinas. But then again I did just move back here from living almost 20 years in Chicago. You cannot have a gun there period!
Ah, Chicago, one of the most corrupt cities in America. Remember "the outfit" remember all the murders, remember
http://barbadosfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/no-obama-barbados.jpg
Claymore
March 7th, 2009, 1:48 pm
Type of ammo means nothing if you can't hit your target.
ConstitutionHugger
March 7th, 2009, 1:55 pm
THAT is the most important consideration with ammunition.....how does it function in your gun, especially with semi-autos, some of which can be ammunition sensitive.
One should be VERY careful switching up ammunition in a semi-auto. One should put a few boxes of what they are considering carrying through their gun BEFORE relying on it for personal defense. The time to learn that your gun doesn't like that particular brand or load is at the range, NOT in the middle of a gun fight! :eek:
Very true!
ConstitutionHugger
March 7th, 2009, 1:57 pm
GLOCK handguns are also, likewise, prone to limp wristing FTF's......it's another one of those training issues that's resolved on the square range.
Also True! I was referring to worst care scenario, such as injury or some other reason that you are much weaker than you normally are and cant as easily handle a gun, that is usually nothing to handle.
When it comes to protection I like to over prepare or over compensate when possible
Samm
March 7th, 2009, 5:34 pm
Type of ammo means nothing if you can't hit your target.
Speaking of ammo... I just ordered two cans (480 rnds) of 30-06 and one can (500 rnds) of 30 Carbine from the CMP. 35 cents a round for the former and 36 cents a round for the latter; delivered. That is significantly cheaper than I can load them at the current price of components.
The bad part is they are suggesting a 100 day delivery time in general and five months to Alaska. :(
Oh well, I have more than enough in armory to last till August.
MrDuffy
March 7th, 2009, 5:50 pm
New purchase coming up next month. Can hardly wait.
Gonna use it in the car w/cross draw holster.
TAURUS. Here come de Judge!
Samm
March 7th, 2009, 7:13 pm
New purchase coming up next month. Can hardly wait.
Gonna use it in the car w/cross draw holster.
TAURUS. Here come de Judge!
Perfect! :D
JohnRandolph
March 7th, 2009, 11:07 pm
What is your favorite brand & type of ammo for your firearm?
As some of you know, I bought a Ruger SP101 .38 special. I have read so many articles about ammo and it appears that it all depends on personal preference. Today, I ended up buying a box of gold dot 135 grain +P. Anyone else ever used this round?
I read a lot of good things about gold dot ammo in general, I would be interested in any thoughts/opinions.
Handgun ammo?
Federal Hydra Shock
Winchester Talon
Claymore
March 7th, 2009, 11:08 pm
I ussually carry 185gr SJHP loads in my .45.
sgtmac_46
March 8th, 2009, 8:09 am
Type of ammo means nothing if you can't hit your target. Exactly!
Personally, so long as the ammo is reliable, i'm not concerned with what is loaded in my gun. My opponent is going to die not carrying whether I shot him with the high priced super-ammo, or the cheapo Sellier and Bellot or Winchester target ammo......because i'm going to put those rounds through his major vital organs, and I know I can hit them.
ConstitutionHugger
March 8th, 2009, 3:04 pm
Speaking of ammo... I just ordered two cans (480 rnds) of 30-06 and one can (500 rnds) of 30 Carbine from the CMP. 35 cents a round for the former and 36 cents a round for the latter; delivered. That is significantly cheaper than I can load them at the current price of components.
The bad part is they are suggesting a 100 day delivery time in general and five months to Alaska. :(
Oh well, I have more than enough in armory to last till August.
That sucks, i can't order from the CMP store since the closest CMP affiliated club is the kids 4-H shooting team and it is over 2hrs away:wall::cry::((
birddog1
March 9th, 2009, 1:25 pm
That sucks, i can't order from the CMP store since the closest CMP affiliated club is the kids 4-H shooting team and it is over 2hrs away:wall::cry::((
Not neccessarily!
Being a veteran or having completed a hunter safety course with live fire will meet the CMPs requirment for firearms proficiency.
As for the club requirment just join the Garand Collectors Association. $25 dollars gets you a great quarterly magazine and access to CMP sales.
http://www.thegca.org/
Cold_War_Warrior
March 9th, 2009, 1:47 pm
It has gotten to the point that you just have to buy ammo where you can find it if the price is suitable.
Here is a site that list the cheapest 7.62x51 on the internet but most of the sites listed on it will also carry other calibers.
http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/showthread.php?t=23308
Thanks, I'll look at their recommendations.
Cold_War_Warrior
March 9th, 2009, 1:51 pm
Go to Walley World (Walmart) and see what they have. Usually their prices are reasonable and they carry both of those calibers.
Wal-Mart never has anything I’m looking for in stock. I suppose I could request an order from them just to see what the price would be.
I’ve had luck shopping at Academy a couple times. The last time I was there I bought all the buckshot they had on the shelf. And, that was only 4 boxes of 00 and 000 buckshot. They had those Remington 12gauge boxes of five shells going for $4.99 which is about what I’ve seen elsewhere so, I assume it’s a fair price.
I made a purchase from CheaperThanDirt online and received my order in 3 days which was very satisfying. I bought Federal Power-Shok 2 3/4 00 buck for $4 something per box of five.
Buying online means paying for shipping charges so, it has to be weighed verses paying the tax at a local store. It may be cheaper online but it comes out nearly the same as buying local. The difference for me is that it is available now...where if I wait for the shops to stock their shelves there may be others scooping it up before I even know its there.
birddog1
March 9th, 2009, 5:45 pm
Wal-Mart never has anything I’m looking for in stock. I suppose I could request an order from them just to see what the price would be.
I’ve had luck shopping at Academy a couple times. The last time I was there I bought all the buckshot they had on the shelf. And, that was only 4 boxes of 00 and 000 buckshot. They had those Remington 12gauge boxes of five shells going for $4.99 which is about what I’ve seen elsewhere so, I assume it’s a fair price.
I made a purchase from CheaperThanDirt online and received my order in 3 days which was very satisfying. I bought Federal Power-Shok 2 3/4 00 buck for $4 something per box of five.
Buying online means paying for shipping charges so, it has to be weighed verses paying the tax at a local store. It may be cheaper online but it comes out nearly the same as buying local. The difference for me is that it is available now...where if I wait for the shops to stock their shelves there may be others scooping it up before I even know its there.
The selection at Wal-mart largely depends upon how good the sporting goods dept manager is. I have been to some that had a great and well stocked selection and have been to others that pretty much only had #9 shot 12 ga shells in stock.
I have heard through the rumor mill that Wal-mart contracts with ammo suppliers for lower grade ammo, which I guess is a possibility. Personally I have shot a fair amount of the cheap Winchester white box ammo out of there without a single problem so I don't know how true that is either. I mainly buy it because it is cheap, boxer primed, and I am not having to trust my life to it though.
Samm
March 9th, 2009, 5:58 pm
The selection at Wal-mart largely depends upon how good the sporting goods dept manager is. I have been to some that had a great and well stocked selection and have been to others that pretty much only had #9 shot 12 ga shells in stock.
I have heard through the rumor mill that Wal-mart contracts with ammo suppliers for lower grade ammo, which I guess is a possibility. Personally I have shot a fair amount of the cheap Winchester white box ammo out of there without a single problem so I don't know how true that is either. I mainly buy it because it is cheap, boxer primed, and I am not having to trust my life to it though.
I have used tons of low-grade Federal American Eagle brand ammo - of many different calibers... with nary a single problem.
ben41281
March 17th, 2009, 10:55 pm
I thought the SP-101 came in .38 special as well. I do not have the gun as I am waiting on my permit so it is still at the gun shop. On my receipt the guy wrote Ruger SP-101. Is it possible that it is a GP100?
I thought I read that the SP-101 does come in .38 special though.
the SP-101 comes in a .38special only version. It looks like that's the one you've bought. Nothing wrong with .38special for self/home- defense. Ruger also makes a .357magnum version of the SP-101, the cylinder is a bit longer and heavier.