Heavy Metal does not condone abuse towards women!

[Rado]

:hand:Greetings all!Earlier we were contacted on behalf of a comment made by Mr.Hannity and Heavy Metal music condoning abuse towards women.Being that we are staunch supporters of the Republican party,we feel Sean has made a mistake in his remark:think:There are several types of "Metal Music" that span from 1980-The present."Heavy" Metal music/bands are roughly from 1980-1991.Heavy Metal bands and lyrics generally dont contain abuse towards women.Our lyrics at times can be overwhelming and dark,but not of womens abuse.WE ARE NOT Death Metal,Goth Metal,or Grunge Metal!The different types of the Metal music genre in general can be confusing for the unfamiliar listener.Black Sabbath,Metallica,Iron Maiden ARE some of the Heavy Metal bands(and thats who we are)"We may be low in ranks,but we're still in the trenches".:evil::flag:

[Gabby]

I get the impression from what you wrote that you are basing your comments on something that you heard through rumor. Do you really have any idea what Hannity actually said, in context.

If you want to discuss something like this it's best to provide a link to either the transcript or an audio/video of Hannity discussing the topic.

I for one have no idea what he did or did not say. Somehow I think it's not being taken in context... what ever it was he actually said.

[PhilRocksinOHIO.]

Actually, it's rap and hip hop "music" that condones abuse towards woman. Just ask Eminem.

[Poisonshady313]

Actually, it's rap and hip hop "music" that condones abuse towards woman. Just ask Eminem.

I don't think you can find an Eminem lyric that actually condones abuse towards women. He might jest about it, seeing as his own life experience with the women who should have meant the most in his life (mother and wife) didn't turn out the way it should have... he might talk about what he'd like to do to his own mother, or his ex-wife, or celebrities he has no respect for...

But I'm reasonably sure he doesn't actually condone abuse toward women. If you think I'm wrong, go ahead and prove it.

[Poisonshady313]

On a somewhat related note... what's the deal with Curtis using 50 cent and Jay Z music on his show... doesn't he abhor rap music? Doesn't he use 50 cent and Jay Z as those among the worst examples of human beings within the hip-hop world (with the exception of Biggie)?

[angelicmadrigal]

...

But I'm reasonably sure he doesn't actually condone abuse toward women. If you think I'm wrong, go ahead and prove it.

Well I would prefer people write sonngs about it than actually do it. If it helps them get rid of feelings like that I'm all for it.

[Poisonshady313]

While we're on the subject, Eminem has also been most famously accused of being homophobic. I extend the challenge contained in post #4 to find Eminem lyrics that are actually homophobic. The lyric must actually be genuinely hateful, not used in jest, nor in a way to satirically stab at people who wrongly criticize him for being homophobic.

[traditional_woman]

I can't stand country or metal, but I can honestly say that the times I was tormented while listening(times when i had no control over it) I've never heard demeaning remarks against women, let alone advocating violence.

[AmericanMuscle]

The Beatles advocated violence against women.

" You better run for you life if you can little girl, Hide your head in the sand, little girl, if I catch you with another man... that's the end uh....little girl."

I don't really consider this song metal but it was the first to come to mind. Hey Joe by Hendrix comes to mind too as does Livin' Lovin' Maid by Zep.

[grapabeaux]

Granted, heavy metal music wasn't about physical abuse of women, but sometimes women were depicted as pretty disposable sex objects in their songs and videos.

Kiss, "Lick it Up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBUpxXIAGw

Kiss, "Uh All Night"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juySNmMIBjw

Motley Crue, "Girls, Girls, Girls"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJrSyFpK3iQ

And, of course, Warrant's "Cherry Pie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdDxz2bkfhE

I guess that's affectionate - sorta - but not in the respectful kind of way.

And before you ask, I'll cop to having bought all of these albums back in the day. :-)

[Gabby]

So... does anyone know if Hannity did say what the OP claims he said?

[Dreamy]

So... does anyone know if Hannity did say what the OP claims he said?

Never heard it or read it myself.

I am very anti-censorship for music and books either way.

Don't like it,don't listen.

[Mimiheart]

Music is just music.

Or maybe everyone really did live in a Yellow Submarine...

[Dreamy]

Music is just music.

Or maybe everyone really did live in a Yellow Submarine...

:))

Rock and metal should tick people off. It has since the inception. Sex,drugs,cheating,killing,brutality,indulgence,he donism have always been a part of music.

Think its just metal? Think again.

Goodbye Earl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bplk4CLLdI

[AmericanMuscle]

Music is just music.

Or maybe everyone really did live in a Yellow Submarine...

I agree. The Beatles and Led Zeppelin are my favorite bands. Music is music.

[BillyBobUSA]

:hand:Greetings all!Earlier we were contacted on behalf of a comment made by Mr.Hannity and Heavy Metal music condoning abuse towards women.Being that we are staunch supporters of the Republican party,we feel Sean has made a mistake in his remark:think:There are several types of "Metal Music" that span from 1980-The present."Heavy" Metal music/bands are roughly from 1980-1991.Heavy Metal bands and lyrics generally dont contain abuse towards women.Our lyrics at times can be overwhelming and dark,but not of womens abuse.WE ARE NOT Death Metal,Goth Metal,or Grunge Metal!The different types of the Metal music genre in general can be confusing for the unfamiliar listener.Black Sabbath,Metallica,Iron Maiden ARE some of the Heavy Metal bands(and thats who we are)"We may be low in ranks,but we're still in the trenches".:evil::flag:

I think brutal honesty is about as bad as it gets among the heavy metal bands I grew up with.

I think this might be a case where an outsider/nonfan has kind of made an over-generalization.

[JeffR]

Here is the History of Metal, detailing all of the different genres:
http://membres.lycos.fr/ericlestrade/histoire/diagramme2.gif

[JeffR]

I don't think metal "condones" anything.

[Dreamy]

I don't think metal "condones" anything.

I agree. I use to cringe when Tipper Gore made certain music her issue and her crusade. If a song or a genre of music had the power some people think it does I would be amazed to see the evidence scientifically.

Music makes me want to do many things but violence is not one of them.

[angelicmadrigal]

Motley Crue, "Girls, Girls, Girls"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJrSyFpK3iQ

And, of course, Warrant's "Cherry Pie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdDxz2bkfhE


These are probably on the top list of stripper anthems.

I'm female, and I'm not terribly offended by them.

[ImNewHere]

Obviously, people have forgotten one of Spinal Tap's album covers, "Smell the Glove":

The original cover featured "a greased, naked woman on all fours with a dog collar around her neck and a leash, and a man's arm extended out...holding on to the leash and pushing a black glove in her face to sniff it."

[Dreamy]

Granted, heavy metal music wasn't about physical abuse of women, but sometimes women were depicted as pretty disposable sex objects in their songs and videos.

Kiss, "Lick it Up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBUpxXIAGw

Kiss, "Uh All Night"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juySNmMIBjw

Motley Crue, "Girls, Girls, Girls"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJrSyFpK3iQ

And, of course, Warrant's "Cherry Pie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdDxz2bkfhE

I guess that's affectionate - sorta - but not in the respectful kind of way.

And before you ask, I'll cop to having bought all of these albums back in the day. :-)

As a woman, my sense of worth and my sense of respect is not garnered from the boys of Motley Crue or Warrant. lol

Never was even as a teen. People with good parents,family,friends gain their sense of who they are from those people in their world.

I can often tell a woman who was deprived of a network of support and love as a younger person. She is often seeking those things all her life from strangers in real life or on the internet. That is not caused by music. That is caused by the failings in her life often caused by the people she was around growing up.

So lets fix what's really causes some women to feel insecure or less worthy than others. Focusing on music is in my view silly.

[angelicmadrigal]

Obviously, people have forgotten one of Spinal Tap's album covers, "Smell the Glove":

So? Some women and men are into that sort of thing.

[Dreamy]

Free speech vs. redeeming social value or lack of it? Should that be up for debate when it comes to music and lyrics?

[Rado]

Spinal Tap was a spoof on GLAM METAL!!!!!

[Samm]

I agree. The Beatles and Led Zeppelin are my favorite bands. Music is music.

Yep. For most people. I recall when I was a teen, my dad was outraged at much of the rock music that I listened to because of the lyrics. I did not know what he was talking about because I paid no attention to the lyrics. It was not until Bob Dylan that I heard much of what was being sung. Even then the words had no influence upon my politics, attitude or values. In the early 80's I bought Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming" because I loved the music and I had no idea that it was a "Christian Album" until a friend of mine heard me playing it and asked me if I had become "Born Again." ;)

[Rado]

Warrant is not Heavy Metal !

[AmericanMuscle]

Yep. For most people. I recall when I was a teen, my dad was outraged at much of the rock music that I listened to because of the lyrics. I did not know what he was talking about because I paid no attention to the lyrics. It was not until Bob Dylan that I heard much of what was being sung. Even then the words had no influence upon my politics, attitude or values. In the early 80's I bought Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming" because I loved the music and I had no idea that it was a "Christian Album" until a friend of mine heard me playing it and asked me if I had become "Born Again." ;)

My dad was outraged on occasion too. He used to confiscate my cassette tapes. My brother and I still laugh about that. There was this one AC/DC song that really got his goat.... And if I heard my kids playing that song...I'd probably smash their ipods~:))

Some things never change~

[Rado]

Once again....Motley Crue,Warrant,Kiss,Spinal Tap, ARE NOT HEAVY METAL BANDS NOR ARE THEY SPEED METAL!!!! In high school there was no way you could where a WARRANT patch on your jean jacket next to the Megadeth patch!youd definitely get your a** kicked! Whoever typed in "Cherry Pie" and,"Lick it up" above on this thread needs to quit commenting on this subject! no offense but you obviously dont have a clue!

[Dreamy]

Warrant is not Heavy Metal !

:)) Go get him! Metal purists go crazy when hair bands get lumped into the metal genre. Dixon of Warrant believes they were a metal band.

[Samm]

My dad was outraged on occasion too. He used to confiscate my cassette tapes. My brother and I still laugh about that. There was this one AC/DC song that really got his goat.... And if I heard my kids playing that song...I'd probably smash their ipods~:))

Some things never change~

I disagree. Things have changed. My kids grew up loving and still love "my" music and I enjoy most of theirs (I still can't handle that insipid Hip Hop). It is the one thing that we have most in common. That is an advantage that neither my parents nor I had when I was young.

[Samm]

Once again....Motley Crue,Warrant,Kiss,Spinal Tap, ARE NOT HEAVY METAL BANDS NOR ARE THEY SPEED METAL!!!! In high school there was no way you could where a WARRANT patch on your jean jacket next to the Megadeth patch!youd definitely get your a** kicked! Whoever typed in "Cherry Pie" and,"Lick it up" above on this thread needs to quit commenting on this subject! no offense but you obviously dont have a clue!

Welcome to the Forum but...

... you need to be less sensitive, less abusive, and less personal or you will not be around this Forum much longer.

Go to the Talk to the Moderator Forum and read through and study the "sticky" threads at the top of the page to "get a clue."

[AmericanMuscle]

I disagree. Things have changed. My kids grew up loving and still love "my" music and I enjoy most of theirs (I still can't handle that insipid Hip Hop). It is the one thing that we have most in common. That is an advantage that neither my parents nor I had when I was young.

That is wonderful! I can't say the same is true for my parents and me.

I'm not into Lawrence Welk. :)) And the only Rush they listen to is on talk radio.

[Samm]

That is wonderful! I can't say the same is true for my parents and me.

I'm not into Lawrence Welk. :)) And the only Rush they listen to is on talk radio.

Somehow I cannot picture anyone in the Lawrence Welk generation listening to Rush. My parents were of that Generation and they are now both dead... my mother only last year at the age of 98. Your parents must be of that rare group that held on to their parents music but did not embrace contemporary rock.

[Rado]

My dad was outraged on occasion too. He used to confiscate my cassette tapes. My brother and I still laugh about that. There was this one AC/DC song that really got his goat.... And if I heard my kids playing that song...I'd probably smash their ipods~:))

Some things never change~
HEY MY MAN! Your post i just read here has left me a bit speechless:confused: Surely you couldnt be this naive towards todays "Heavy Music"??After reading your AC/DC quote,i kinda just sat back in my seat and started to daydream out the window.I was thinkin to myself...Where and when does the parent lose connection with reality?and thats when it hit me:Parents are naive,theyre stuck in the way it was for them growin up.AC/DC is and was the "Fun keg party band" to listen too.AC/DC is childs play compared to the bands today.Target sells AC/DC t-shirts,what does that tell ya.I dont know what your kids are in too,but the Hard rock bands today are advocating church burnings,harsh sataniism,and murder.and these bands arent preachin this out of shock rock to sell albums,their the real deal!Some of the popular bands are from Iceland,and theyve already burned several churches down in that country.you dont see these bands on Mtv,or here them on the radio.Here are some names "Canable corpse","Lamb of god","Cradle of filth".AC/DC aint so bad after all huh? and by the way AC/DC stands for "Alternate Current/Direct Current" NOT "After Christ/Devil Comes.

[Rado]

Well my man,how else am i gonna make ya understand?I was tryin to explain it in a way that one could understand.I dont think i was being sensitive,i was kinda laughin when i wrote it.I started this thread b/c Sean made an ignorant comment towards a group of people.And its true:If you showed up to a Metallica concert wearing a Warrant t-shirt youd be shocked at how hostile people would be towards you.

[Dreamy]

HEY MY MAN! Your post i just read here has left me a bit speechless:confused: Surely you couldnt be this naive towards todays "Heavy Music"??After reading your AC/DC quote,i kinda just sat back in my seat and started to daydream out the window.I was thinkin to myself...Where and when does the parent lose connection with reality?and thats when it hit me:Parents are naive,theyre stuck in the way it was for them growin up.AC/DC is and was the "Fun keg party band" to listen too.AC/DC is childs play compared to the bands today.Target sells AC/DC t-shirts,what does that tell ya.I dont know what your kids are in too,but the Hard rock bands today are advocating church burnings,harsh sataniism,and murder.and these bands arent preachin this out of shock rock to sell albums,their the real deal!Some of the popular bands are from Iceland,and theyve already burned several churches down in that country.you dont see these bands on Mtv,or here them on the radio.Here are some names "Canable corpse","Lamb of god","Cradle of filth".AC/DC aint so bad after all huh? and by the way AC/DC stands for "Alternate Current/Direct Current" NOT "After Christ/Devil Comes.

Bands burning down churches are not bands. They are arsonists.

Music has always been subjective.

One of my favorite bands was Aerosmith. Still is albeit they have faded some. I know their history well and none of that impacts my love of their music.

I suppose if they were burning churches I would not like them anymore.

I may be confused but what is your point? That people confuse musical genre's? That some bands need to be outrageous to hide the fact they are likely without talent?

[Dreamy]

Rado,do you have a quote or something to show us exactly what Sean said?

[Rado]

:)) Go get him! Metal purists go crazy when hair bands get lumped into the metal genre. Dixon of Warrant believes they were a metal band.
FINALLY!!!!Someone knows what im talkin about here!Im the one that started this thread and i felt like i was in quicksand!Exactly!Warrant,Kiss,Poisen, are like Kryptonite to us!Its like garlic to a vampire:))Its like givin a Tupac fan a Will Smith rap cd for Christmas!

[Rado]

Rado,do you have a quote or something to show us exactly what Sean said?
No Dreamy i dont,but it was quoted on Fox last night.

[Dreamy]

FINALLY!!!!Someone knows what im talkin about here!Im the one that started this thread and i felt like i was in quicksand!Exactly!Warrant,Kiss,Poisen, are like Kryptonite to us!Its like garlic to a vampire:))Its like givin a Tupac fan a Will Smith rap cd for Christmas!

Lawrence Welk or some hip hop is more likely to make me commit violence than metal. What does that say? :))

Oh by the way I love some of each of the genres of music.

Everything from swing/ big band,to soft rock and classic rock,metal,country,hair bands,grunge and alternatives. I am a mess musically.

[Rado]

Bands burning down churches are not bands. They are arsonists.

Music has always been subjective.

One of my favorite bands was Aerosmith. Still is albeit they have faded some. I know their history well and none of that impacts my love of their music.

I suppose if they were burning churches I would not like them anymore.

I may be confused but what is your point? That people confuse musical genre's? That some bands need to be outrageous to hide the fact they are likely without talent?
The point is is that your probably not aware of the "Heavy Metal" movement in the 80's,which was "Heavy Metal".Then came along the "Glam Metal"(like Warrant,Poisen etc).Glam Metal ruined it for us with their cheesy videos and music.Its been a bitter war ever since with these clones!Heavy Metal was a way of life and still is,its just gone underground.And now theres 15 different types of Metal imposters!We work in our cubicles everyday just like everyone else,but underneath we wear our colors.Its like the Cold War Dreamy!

[angelicmadrigal]

Once again....Motley Crue,Warrant,Kiss,Spinal Tap, ARE NOT HEAVY METAL BANDS NOR ARE THEY SPEED METAL!!!!

I thought Motley Crew, Kiss, were hair bands.....

[Dreamy]

The point is is that your probably not aware of the "Heavy Metal" movement in the 80's,which was "Heavy Metal".Then came along the "Glam Metal"(like Warrant,Poisen etc).Glam Metal ruined it for us with their cheesy videos and music.Its been a bitter war ever since with these clones!Heavy Metal was a way of life and still is,its just gone underground.And now theres 15 different types of Metal imposters!We work in our cubicles everyday just like everyone else,but underneath we wear our colors.Its like the Cold War Dreamy!


MTV and videos wounded your genre. In fact pretty much destroyed most music at some point.

OK cubicle dweller by day who morphs into metal warrior by night and weekends why can't we all just get along? :))

Seriously,so what if some pretty Aqua Net boys are confused as metal heads? Just enjoy your music. Now crank up the Judas Priest!!! :twisted:

[Rado]

Rado,do you have a quote or something to show us exactly what Sean said?
Dreamy,Question:Is this you on the beach in your blog pic?2nd:Are you begining to understand what im talkin about?

[Dreamy]

Dreamy,Question:Is this you on the beach in your blog pic?2nd:Are you begining to understand what im talkin about?

That is not me. My pics are in my profile and in my photo album here.

I always understood you Rado. Do you understand me? Be glad no one confuses metal with disco.

[Arya]

MTV and videos wounded your genre. In fact pretty much destroyed most music at some point.

OK cubicle dweller by day who morphs into metal warrior by night and weekends why can't we all just get along? :))

Seriously,so what if some pretty Aqua Net boys are confused as metal heads? Just enjoy your music. Now crank up the Judas Priest!!! :twisted:

Aaaaaah, Priest!http://forums.megadeth.com/images/smilies/devilbanger.gif

As a Metalhead babe meself, I was there during the 80's rise of true metal (as I call it). In every genre of music, there is variations of a theme, and the "hair bands" or "glam metal" was definitely the down side to the true metal bands back then (and now). Of course, if people didn't buy their records or merchandise, or go to see their shows, they never would've made it.

So it's the "fans" out there that are the issue, not the glam metal bands persay. They were out to make a buck and be famous, and people bought into it.

The true heavy metal fans stayed true to those types of bands. To this day you'll never see a Poison (or the like) CD or record in my extensive music library

[Samm]

Well my man,how else am i gonna make ya understand?I was tryin to explain it in a way that one could understand.I dont think i was being sensitive,i was kinda laughin when i wrote it.I started this thread b/c Sean made an ignorant comment towards a group of people.And its true:If you showed up to a Metallica concert wearing a Warrant t-shirt youd be shocked at how hostile people would be towards you.

Just saying "my man." You make people understand by being rational, not emotional or personal. We have no way to tell if there is a smile on your face - that is what the Smiles are for - and you did not use one.

As I said... go to the TTTM Forum and read the stickys. And watch the dissing of Sean... that is a big no no. If you want to play here you have to play by the rules. You will find that you can say anything you want within the rules, but the First Amendment is not carte blanche on privately operated discussion boards.

[Dreamy]

Aaaaaah, Priest!http://forums.megadeth.com/images/smilies/devilbanger.gif

As a Metalhead babe meself, I was there during the 80's rise of true metal (as I call it). In every genre of music, there is variations of a theme, and the "hair bands" or "glam metal" was definitely the down side to the true metal bands back then (and now). Of course, if people didn't buy their records or merchandise, or go to see their shows, they never would've made it.

So it's the "fans" out there that are the issue, not the glam metal bands persay. They were out to make a buck and be famous, and people bought into it.

The true heavy metal fans stayed true to those types of bands. To this day you'll never see a Poison (or the like) CD or record in my extensive music library



Leave it to one of my favorite bratz and metal babes to bring the facts to the table.


And truthfully even within the metal genre there are sub genres like thrash and death metal and even Christian metal.

[Arya]

Oh-and to address the OP:

I agree with the premise of this thread. Heavy Metal does not condone violence towards women, and as a woman who has been in the "Heavy Metal Scene" since the early 1980's, I can def vouch for this. I have been to the shows, in the "Mosh Pits", have several CD's and records by a variety of bands throughout the years, and never, ever, gotten this message towards women.

And I will expand to state that the extensions of Metal, such as Death Metal, Goth or Grunge Metal don't represent violence towards women in general either-IMO.

I cannot vouch for every band within the "Metal" genre persay, for firstly I don't listen nor am familiar with every bands lyrics. But in a nutshell the "message" persay that "Metal" exudes is not violence towards women. If it was, I never would've been a lifelong fan of it.

[Arya]

Leave it to one of my favorite bratz and metal babes to bring the facts to the table.


And truthfully even within the metal genre there are sub genres like thrash and death metal and even Christian metal.

*Admission time*

I've listened to Stryper (Christian Metal Band)...

:redface:

They ain't the best metal of course, but I liked their message, and what they attempted to do.

[Dreamy]

Oh-and to address the OP:

I agree with the premise of this thread. Heavy Metal does not condone violence towards women, and as a woman who has been in the "Heavy Metal Scene" since the early 1980's, I can def vouch for this.

And I will expand to state that the extensions of Metal, such as Death Metal, Goth or Grunge Metal don't represent violence towards women in general either-IMO.

I cannot vouch for every band within the "Metal" genre persay, for firstly I don't listen nor am familiar with every bands lyrics. But in a nutshell the "message" persay that "Metal" exudes is not violence towards women. If it was, I never would've been a lifelong fan of it.


:clap:

Thanks for your knowledge offering. But I must say I despise "ho" music(is that rap or hip hop,I always get confused?)but I would never want them hampered by censorship. I believe music and artists live or die based on the fans as you said so if some music offends then blame the consumer.

[Rado]

MTV and videos wounded your genre. In fact pretty much destroyed most music at some point.

OK cubicle dweller by day who morphs into metal warrior by night and weekends why can't we all just get along? :))

Seriously,so what if some pretty Aqua Net boys are confused as metal heads? Just enjoy your music. Now crank up the Judas Priest!!! :twisted:
:))Yes i would agree,Mtv screwed us.Mtv even infected our most sacred band which was Metallica,but im not even gonna get into that.We used to take over arenas, but now we have to share the same bill with "Nickelback":wall:and if you think im to over the top with this subject,you should see whats goin on at the Heavy Metal forums.WOW!

[Dreamy]

*Admission time*

I've listened to Stryper (Christian Metal Band)...

:redface:

They ain't the best metal of course, but I liked their message, and what they attempted to do.

I must not be easily embarrassed musically Arya cos I listen to most everything musically and never apologize. I like hairs bands. Not cos they are deep or musically inventive but just because sometimes a girl wants to dance or needs a power ballad. :))

I even have some Donna Summer disco I love.:whistle:

Ok Rado,how cool am I?:twisted: BRB. Off to flip over my Barry Manilow 45. :))

[Dreamy]

:))Yes i would agree,Mtv screwed us.Mtv even infected our most sacred band which was Metallica,but im not even gonna get into that.We used to take over arenas, but now we have to share the same bill with "Nickelback":wall:and if you think im to over the top with this subject,you should see whats goin on at the Heavy Metal forums.WOW!

Hey I like Nickelback! :twisted:

Ok I need to join one of those forums. I love militant metalheads. :))

I would have to say what happens Rado is fans grow up and the big venues go to the newer venue filling younger crowd. Although my beloved Aerosmith can still fill the big houses.

Sorry Metalheads,the kids are kicking you all down the road. Fight back!:twisted:

[Rado]

Oh-and to address the OP:

I agree with the premise of this thread. Heavy Metal does not condone violence towards women, and as a woman who has been in the "Heavy Metal Scene" since the early 1980's, I can def vouch for this. I have been to the shows, in the "Mosh Pits", have several CD's and records by a variety of bands throughout the years, and never, ever, gotten this message towards women.

And I will expand to state that the extensions of Metal, such as Death Metal, Goth or Grunge Metal don't represent violence towards women in general either-IMO.

I cannot vouch for every band within the "Metal" genre persay, for firstly I don't listen nor am familiar with every bands lyrics. But in a nutshell the "message" persay that "Metal" exudes is not violence towards women. If it was, I never would've been a lifelong fan of it.
Arya,Exactly!Im not sure what to think about your Stryper purchase,but thats ok!We're not the Third Reich for petes sake!Dreamy at times understands the Metal scene,but then she'll throw in some smarta** comment:))Shes fine,just a lil slap happy:clap:

[Arya]

:clap:

Thanks for your knowledge offering. But I must say I despise "ho" music(is that rap or hip hop,I always get confused?)but I would never want them hampered by censorship. I believe music and artists live or die based on the fans as you said so if some music offends then blame the consumer.

Exactly

And I will also add that for Rap/Hip Hop music and especially their videos, not only is it the fans that "buy into" that type of negative image against women, it's also the THRONGS of women who continuously audition to show up in the videos that make them look like "ho"s, or buy the CD's and go to the shows.

Despite all that, I still do not believe in censorship hampering the genre. I don't like it, and thus I won't buy thier music or watch their vids or listen to their songs.

As I said before, if the people (including women) didn't buy the CD's or go to the shows or want to be portrayed like that in the videos (it's all about the Benjaminz, right?), those types of artists wouldn't exist.

[Arya]

Arya,Exactly!Im not sure what to think about your Stryper purchase,but thats ok!We're not the Third Reich for petes sake!Dreamy at times understands the Metal scene,but then she'll throw in some smarta** comment:))Shes fine,just a lil slap happy:clap:

Oh, just to clarify, I never purchased any Stryper music, but I listened to them to understand if they were "legit" Christians or metal musicians. My concensus was they were indeed Christian, and metal enough to grasp the genre of music, and that they seemed genuinely into the music-it's that their "message" was more spiritual in nature.

And don't let Dreamy fool yea-she "gets it", but also comes into the discussion from another viewpoint. She's actually a kewl gal :) A vixxinous brat, but kewl just the same ;)

[Dreamy]

Arya,Exactly!Im not sure what to think about your Stryper purchase,but thats ok!We're not the Third Reich for petes sake!Dreamy at times understands the Metal scene,but then she'll throw in some smarta** comment:))Shes fine,just a lil slap happy:clap:

:)) Keeping ya on your toes cubie dwelling metal man. Now send me a long distance power ballad dedication and pipe down. :twisted:

How about a little Crue's Home Sweet Home. Got my lighter ready. :))

[Rado]

Hey I like Nickelback! :twisted:

Ok I need to join one of those forums. I love militant metalheads. :))

I would have to say what happens Rado is fans grow up and the big venues go to the newer venue filling younger crowd. Although my beloved Aerosmith can still fill the big houses.

Sorry Metalheads,the kids are kicking you all down the road. Fight back!:twisted:
Dreamy!For the sake of all thats sacred!Are you trying to drive me crazy?of course im not gonna give you the 411 on these forums!you seem like a nice girl,and im not sending you thru the mine fields!True Aero still sells the arenas out,we respect Aero.

[Arya]

I must not be easily embarrassed musically Arya cos I listen to most everything musically and never apologize. I like hairs bands. Not cos they are deep or musically inventive but just because sometimes a girl wants to dance or needs a power ballad. :))

I even have some Donna Summer disco I love.:whistle:

Ok Rado,how cool am I?:twisted: BRB. Off to flip over my Barry Manilow 45. :))

:))

Oooooh, Manilow...*Swoon*

:shifty:

:razz:

[Rado]

:)):)) Keeping ya on your toes cubie dwelling metal man. Now send me a long distance power ballad dedication and pipe down. :twisted:

How about a little Crue's Home Sweet Home. Got my lighter ready. :))
:))So Dreamy and Arya are in cahoots.....hmmm......so Dreamboat what ya do call in reinforcments on me?

[Dreamy]

Dreamy!For the sake of all thats sacred!Are you trying to drive me crazy?of course im not gonna give you the 411 on these forums!you seem like a nice girl,and im not sending you thru the mine fields!True Aero still sells the arenas out,we respect Aero.

I don't want to challenge,I want to watch. I love passion. I love musical purists. Hey I may be a happy hybrid but I can appreciate you all.


Oh by the way,I am so not nice. :twisted:


And you best respect my Boston boys. :))

So is metal growing,remaining the same or waning?

[Dreamy]

:))

Oooooh, Manilow...*Swoon*

:shifty:

:razz:

Just trying to help you save face with the Stryper reference. :))

[Dreamy]

:))
:))So Dreamy and Arya are in cahoots.....hmmm......so Dreamboat what ya do call in reinforcments on me?

First time our paths have ever crossed. Nice to meet you Arya.

Stryper girl? Really? Bwahahahaha :))


;)

[Ninjacorpse]

The closest I have seen is probably the video for "All wrapped up, by American Head Charge" but thats about a serial killer and does not condone violence against women in general.

[Arya]

:))
:))So Dreamy and Arya are in cahoots.....hmmm......so Dreamboat what ya do call in reinforcments on me?

:twisted: I've got my "bratdar" on :shifty:

[JeffR]

And truthfully even within the metal genre there are sub genres like thrash and death metal and even Christian metal.
If any one you missed my former post, check out this pic - it basically graphs out all the metal genres and related forms of music.

http://membres.lycos.fr/ericlestrade/histoire/diagramme2.gif

[Arya]

First time our paths have ever crossed. Nice to meet you Arya.

Stryper girl? Really? Bwahahahaha :))


;)

Right on, Manilow Mama :lol:

[Dreamy]

Right on, Manilow Mama :lol:

:)) I so wanted to name my daughter Mandy. I still think Manilow drives people to act out in bad ways.:twisted:

Exhibit one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/BarryManilowJoint.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/BarryManilowJoint.jpg)

Ok I'm done. Sorry Rado,just wanted to lighten you up a bit. Thanks for letting me have fun. Back to your angry ranting.:twisted:

[Rado]

:))

Oooooh, Manilow...*Swoon*

:shifty:

:razz:
Arya & Dreamboat, You two arent the ones trying to kick me off this forum are you?:rolleyes: Somebody just sent me a private message sayin that if i didnt "calm down" that i would be 86'ed!I think they got ****ed cause i type the word a**?:doh:

[grapabeaux]

Once again....Motley Crue,Warrant,Kiss,Spinal Tap, ARE NOT HEAVY METAL BANDS NOR ARE THEY SPEED METAL!!!! In high school there was no way you could where a WARRANT patch on your jean jacket next to the Megadeth patch!youd definitely get your a** kicked! Whoever typed in "Cherry Pie" and,"Lick it up" above on this thread needs to quit commenting on this subject! no offense but you obviously dont have a clue!

Dude, lighten up. I hate to break this to you, but the definition of Heavy Metal is broader than just the bands you like.

There's a reason why This is Spinal Tap is funny, and it has to do with many of these bands' depiction of women.

[Dreamy]

Arya & Dreamboat, You two arent the ones trying to kick me off this forum are you?:rolleyes:

No darling. If it was a Mod you should listen and take note of the advice however. You don't trouble me at all. And even if you did I would just crank up my Journey or Nickelback.:twisted:

[Rado]

:)) I so wanted to name my daughter Mandy. I still think Manilow drives people to act out in bad ways.:twisted:

Exhibit one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/BarryManilowJoint.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/BarryManilowJoint.jpg)

Ok I'm done. Sorry Rado,just wanted to lighten you up a bit. Thanks for letting me have fun. Back to your angry ranting.:twisted:
The pleasures all mine Dreamboat! Keep it on the road!:twisted:

[Dreamy]

The pleasures all mine Dreamboat! Keep it on the road!:twisted:


:)) Weekend in New England hon. Impress your cube dwellers when you crank that baby up on your boom box.:whistle:

[JeffR]

Dude, lighten up. I hate to break this to you, but the definition of Heavy Metal is broader than just the bands you like.
I think the definition of Metal is subjective.


So, is Manilow considered Metal?

[Dreamy]

If any one you missed my former post, check out this pic - it basically graphs out all the metal genres and related forms of music.

http://membres.lycos.fr/ericlestrade/histoire/diagramme2.gif


Hey Jeff that is some good stuff. Thanks!

[Arya]

Arya & Dreamboat, You two arent the ones trying to kick me off this forum are you?:rolleyes: Somebody just sent me a private message sayin that if i didnt "calm down" that i would be 86'ed!I think they got ****ed cause i type the word a**?:doh:

As Dreamy stated, if it was a Mod just listen to what they say. This forum is for Discussion/Debate of topics, but alas they are only topics to discuss. They may be topics that are close to your heart, however, but overall the point here is to share information-even if it is in oppostion to your viewpoints.

And overall, these forums can be fun. As you've noticed by my and Dreamy's brattervention ;) Lol!!!

[Dreamy]

I think the definition of Metal is subjective.


So, is Manilow considered Metal?

Only when he wears that studded collar on New Years Eve performances.

[Arya]

I think the definition of Metal is subjective.


So, is Manilow considered Metal?

:))

In an alternate universe, perhap!

[Dreamy]

:))

In an alternate universe, perhap!


:)) Hey I think I have Jeff almost convinced he could be.

[rob_b52]

forcing ANYBODY regardless of gender to listen to heavy metal has got to be some kind of abuse.

They didn't make Noreaga listen to Barry Manilo.... no the blasted AC/DC until he gave himself up trying to claw his own eardrums out...

unless I got this wrong and you are talking about abusing women with heavy metals..lead pipe...steel shovel... and thats just wrong on many levels.

[Arya]

:)) Hey I think I have Jeff almost convinced he could be.

Alrighty then, Rock ON Bratgrrl :cool:

[Dreamy]

forcing ANYBODY regardless of gender to listen to heavy metal has got to be some kind of abuse.

They didn't make Noreaga listen to Barry Manilo.... no the blasted AC/DC until he gave himself up trying to claw his own eardrums out...

unless I got this wrong and you are talking about abusing women with heavy metals..lead pipe...steel shovel... and thats just wrong on many levels.

Hey teens do that to parents all the time. :))

[Rado]

Dude, lighten up. I hate to break this to you, but the definition of Heavy Metal is broader than just the bands you like.

There's a reason why This is Spinal Tap is funny, and it has to do with many of these bands' depiction of women.
Grapabeux,Dont mistake my rants for anger.I may be getting excited but not hatefull.There are several diff types of Metal,and Heavy Metal is just one of the many.Yes spinal tap was funny,but that was directed towards "Glam Metal",which is not "Heavy Metal". Glam is bands like Poisen and Warrant.Heavy Metal is Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath.These are two diff types of music and fan base.I dont lump merely my fav bands in with Heavy Metal.And no the spinal tap movie wasnt solely based on depiction of women,it was based on how cheesy Glam Metal became.

[rob_b52]

Hey teens do that to parents all the time. :))

teens are ubusing their parents with lead pipes and steel shovels??:confused:

[JeffR]

:)) Hey I think I have Jeff almost convinced he could be.
Do they have mosh pits at his concerts?

[JeffR]

forcing ANYBODY regardless of gender to listen to heavy metal has got to be some kind of abuse.

They didn't make Noreaga listen to Barry Manilo.... no the blasted AC/DC until he gave himself up trying to claw his own eardrums out...

If Noreaga doesn't like it, then it must be good! :)

[Dreamy]

Do they have mosh pits at his concerts?


Sorta...but they are called "mush pits". :whistle:

[Dreamy]

teens are ubusing their parents with lead pipes and steel shovels??:confused:

Why I oughta.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/tap-1.gif

Why can't we all co-exist musically? :))

[Rado]

forcing ANYBODY regardless of gender to listen to heavy metal has got to be some kind of abuse.

They didn't make Noreaga listen to Barry Manilo.... no the blasted AC/DC until he gave himself up trying to claw his own eardrums out...

unless I got this wrong and you are talking about abusing women with heavy metals..lead pipe...steel shovel... and thats just wrong on many levels.
Well Rob_52,Everyone has their choice of music.If ya wanna listen to Barry Mann then by all means have at it.But then you have people who love the raw energy,and the rush of adrenaline at live Heavy Metal concerts.So if people wanna sit on blankets over lush lawns and listen to the somber sounds of Barry,Hootie,Seline Dion, thats wonderfull.....but on the other hand it makes my stomach ache just thinkin about it.

[rob_b52]

Well Rob_52,Everyone has their choice of music.If ya wanna listen to Barry Mann then by all means have at it.But then you have people who love the raw energy,and the rush of adrenaline at live Heavy Metal concerts.So if people wanna sit on blankets over lush lawns and listen to the somber sounds of Barry,Hootie,Seline Dion, thats wonderfull.....but on the other hand it makes my stomach ache just thinkin about it.

you are new here so I will let you in on a little secret...dont tell anybody because its just between you and me ok?

i am one of the biggest wisenhiemers on this board.

[Rado]

Why I oughta.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/tap-1.gif

Why can't we all co-exist musically? :))
One day Dreamboat....one day:rolleyes:

[Rado]

Why I oughta.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/tap-1.gif

Why can't we all co-exist musically? :))
Dreams,could you help me out here and please tell me what a "wisenhiemer" is?:doh:

[Dreamy]

Dreams,could you help me out here and please tell me what a "wisenhiemer" is?:doh:

That would be me(female version) and Rob(male version).

That help darling?

[Dreamy]

One day Dreamboat....one day:rolleyes:

I am going to seek out these militant metal boards. I need to lighten you dudes up.

Now where did I leave my chains? Leather vest...mmmm

Now what kind of metal is your pleasure Rado?:twisted:

[Rado]

you are new here so I will let you in on a little secret...dont tell anybody because its just between you and me ok?

i am one of the biggest wisenhiemers on this board.
Rob_B52,Question:whats a "wisenheimer"?and are you a B52 music fan,or a fan of B52 bombers?

[Dreamy]

Rob_B52,Question:whats a "wisenheimer"?and are you a B52 music fan,or a fan of B52 bombers?


Psst..wise ass,smart aleck.

[Rado]

I am going to seek out these militant metal boards. I need to lighten you dudes up.

Now where did I leave my chains? Leather vest...mmmm

Now what kind of metal is your pleasure Rado?:twisted:
My alliance is with the Heavy/metal and Speed Metal genres.Be carefull!

[rob_b52]

Rob_B52,Question:whats a "wisenheimer"?and are you a B52 music fan,or a fan of B52 bombers?

dictionary is your friend..... its called a book.... google it...

wisenheimer.... a wiseacre... wise ass who makes lighthearted and sometimes funny jokes to bring levity to any topic.

I love the B52's and the bomber is just great too....

[Dreamy]

My alliance is with the Heavy/metal and Speed Metal genres.Be carefull!


You don't scare me. You work in a cubicle.:)) So I pegged you for a Judas Priest guy and was right. Slayer,Motorhead,old Metallica.

[Rado]

Psst..wise ass,smart aleck.
Oh i got it!...hmmm..im just gonna go ahead and state that if people disagree with my "rants" then they have to converse and take a vote with Dreamy.Shes been on here since (amazingly)2004!!!:idea:

[Rado]

You don't scare me. You work in a cubicle.:)) So I pegged you for a Judas Priest guy and was right. Slayer,Motorhead,old Metallica.
:))I dont really work in a cubie,i used that as a general expression.I probably shouldnt state my occupation on here.Yes you are correct about my metal specifics!

[Dreamy]

Oh i got it!...hmmm..im just gonna go ahead and state that if people disagree with my "rants" then they have to converse and take a vote with Dreamy.Shes been on here since (amazingly)2004!!!:idea:

I stayed for the music. :)) Best muzak anywhere on the net.

Ok in all seriousness I am just a guest here. Mods(there are several and their titles are in their sigs) and you your very self will determine how long you stay. I will just be here to make you crazy if you do

[rob_b52]

I will just be here to make you crazy if you do

you mean "we" are here... I couldn't let you bear this burden alone...what kind of mean old junk yard dog would I be then?

[Dreamy]

:))I dont really work in a cubie,i used that as a general expression.I probably shouldnt state my occupation on here.Yes you are correct about my metal specifics!

No tell nothing. I never let the board know about my days spent doing brain surgeries or my nights spent as a backstage groupie for Cinderella.:whistle:

[Dreamy]

you mean "we" are here... I couldn't let you bear this burden alone...what kind of mean old junk yard dog would I be then?

When did I sign up for the duet tour darling? :twisted::twisted: Ok Ok If you see me going sane and nice on the new kids please redirect me.

[Rado]

dictionary is your friend..... its called a book.... google it...

wisenheimer.... a wiseacre... wise ass who makes lighthearted and sometimes funny jokes to bring levity to any topic.

I love the B52's and the bomber is just great too....
Oh i see you must be the "funny guy" in these murky waters.hee hee hee.....well "tin roof rusted" i dont know if you wanna get in a war of words with me?

[rob_b52]

Oh i see you must be the "funny guy" in these murky waters.hee hee hee.....well "tin roof rusted" i dont know if you wanna get in a war of words with me?

no war of words, but I will challenge you to a dance off.... you will get served by the frankin bean annual jazzercise contest blue ribbon winner three years in a row!! its on now... you aint seen sick dance moves like mine. my hips will do the talking.....I will leave you sweatin' to the oldies!!!

that and i will make jokes at your expense whenever I can... its not personal....

[Dreamy]

:hand:Greetings all!Earlier we were contacted on behalf of a comment made by Mr.Hannity and Heavy Metal music condoning abuse towards women.Being that we are staunch supporters of the Republican party,we feel Sean has made a mistake in his remark:think:There are several types of "Metal Music" that span from 1980-The present."Heavy" Metal music/bands are roughly from 1980-1991.Heavy Metal bands and lyrics generally dont contain abuse towards women.Our lyrics at times can be overwhelming and dark,but not of womens abuse.WE ARE NOT Death Metal,Goth Metal,or Grunge Metal!The different types of the Metal music genre in general can be confusing for the unfamiliar listener.Black Sabbath,Metallica,Iron Maiden ARE some of the Heavy Metal bands(and thats who we are)"We may be low in ranks,but we're still in the trenches".:evil::flag:

Rado,just curious,who is the "we" in your post? Is this a specific group or are you just speaking for all heavy metal fans?

[Rado]

No tell nothing. I never let the board know about my days spent doing brain surgeries or my nights spent as a backstage groupie for Cinderella.:whistle:
Cinderella huh!youve been hangin out on that Metal genre tree page havent you?

[Dreamy]

no war of words, but I will challenge you to a dance off.... you will get served by the frankin bean annual jazzercise contest blue ribbon winner three years in a row!! its on now... you aint seen sick dance moves like mine. my hips will do the talking.....I will leave you sweatin' to the oldies!!!

that and i will make jokes at your expense whenever I can... its not personal....


Front row seats for this girl. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/rocker.gif

:))

[Rado]

Rado,just curious,who is the "we" in your post? Is this a specific group or are you just speaking for all heavy metal fans?
Because Military life can become boring at times and when people like us get bored we think of groups within the group to make it exciting!"WE" meaning the platoon im in that have banished every type of music except Heavy Metal.When we cant fight in the trenches we become painfully bored.however we do indeed fly the Metal banner when on our leave.

[rob_b52]

and here I was thinking it was because you had a frog in your pocket:))

[Dreamy]

Cinderella huh!youve been hangin out on that Metal genre tree page havent you?

Donchu be dissing Cinderella metal man. You don't know what you got til its gone.


Me and the family circa 1985

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/mullet-1.jpg

:whistle:

[Rado]

no war of words, but I will challenge you to a dance off.... you will get served by the frankin bean annual jazzercise contest blue ribbon winner three years in a row!! its on now... you aint seen sick dance moves like mine. my hips will do the talking.....I will leave you sweatin' to the oldies!!!

that and i will make jokes at your expense whenever I can... its not personal....
You betcha there big guy!

[Dreamy]

Because Military life can become boring at times and when people like us get bored we think of groups within the group to make it exciting!"WE" meaning the platoon im in that have banished every type of music except Heavy Metal.When we cant fight in the trenches we become painfully bored.however we do indeed fly the Metal banner when on our leave.

Good deal. You are serving currently? Hey whatever makes life better is all good and music is one of the better ways. So that care package of iPODs filled with the 100 best power ballads of the 1980s might not be embraced by the soldiers?:eh:

[Rado]

Donchu be dissing Cinderella metal man. You don't know what you got til its gone.


Me and the family circa 1985

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/mullet-1.jpg

:whistle:
:))Wow! your roots seem to need touching up,besides that its a nice fam photo.

[Dreamy]

:))Wow! your roots seem to need touching up,besides that its a nice fam photo.

:)) I told you all that stock in Aqua Net hairspray was a sure deal. No one listened. Gave the same advice in the early 1990s about flannel. Nuttin. :snooty:

But you and I both know that leather and chains are forever,right Rado? :twisted:

[rob_b52]

You betcha there big guy!

these hips don't lie...

go Rob_B52..shake it! shake it! shake that money maker.....

bam!! shawingggg!!! yeah.... you know you're attracted by my rhythmic movements. I am hypnotic, yes?

[Rado]

Good deal. You are serving currently? Hey whatever makes life better is all good and music is one of the better ways. So that care package of iPODs filled with the 100 best power ballads of the 1980s might not be embraced by the soldiers?:eh:
Lol! we just got back 2wks ago(sorry i keep using we,its planted in our heads that there is no "I" anymore.80s power ballads,YES!

[Rado]

:)) I told you all that stock in Aqua Net hairspray was a sure deal. No one listened. Gave the same advice in the early 1990s about flannel. Nuttin. :snooty:

But you and I both know that leather and chains are forever,right Rado? :twisted:
Hellbent on Leather forever!:twisted:

[Dreamy]

Lol! we just got back 2wks ago(sorry i keep using we,its planted in our heads that there is no "I" anymore.80s power ballads,YES!

Well in all seriousness Rado,you can listen to any music you like. You earned that right. Thanks to you and your fellow soldiers for your service to country. :flag:

[Rado]

these hips don't lie...

go Rob_B52..shake it! shake it! shake that money maker.....

bam!! shawingggg!!! yeah.... you know you're attracted by my rhythmic movements. I am hypnotic, yes?
yes hyptnotic!did they close your rave down this weekend?

[Rado]

Well in all seriousness Rado,you can listen to any music you like. You earned that right. Thanks to you and your fellow soldiers for your service to country. :flag:
:))Dreamboat are you being serious?

[rob_b52]

yes hyptnotic!did they close your rave down this weekend?

they tried.... but like you and everybody else, they were hooked from the first hip shake... they decided in all their wisdom that I was performing an act of community service. My rave draws all the rave reviews....that and I spiked their drinks.

I am the King Julian of the lemurs of the hannityland...

[Dreamy]

:))Dreamboat are you being serious?


Yes darling. If you are then I am. If you turn out to really be a cubicle dweller I am so gonna blast some serious Journey into your next post.


When it comes to our military I am humbled. About the only ones that do humble me.


Well besides Brett Michael and Rikki Rockett.:whistle:

:))

[Claymore]

Heavy Metal does not condone abuse towards women!



Quite true, it abuses everyone' eardrums equally.:whistle:

[Rado]

:flag:Well in all seriousness Rado,you can listen to any music you like. You earned that right. Thanks to you and your fellow soldiers for your service to country. :flag:

[Dreamy]

Heavy Metal does not condone abuse towards women!



Quite true, it abuses everyone' eardrums equally.:whistle:

Oh stop being such an old fuddy dud Claymore. You know if they wore plaid skirts and had a different set of pipes you'd embrace them. :))

[Rado]

Yes darling. If you are then I am. If you turn out to really be a cubicle dweller I am so gonna blast some serious Journey into your next post.


When it comes to our military I am humbled. About the only ones that do humble me.


Well besides Brett Michael and Rikki Rockett.:whistle:

:))
No cube here.....at times i wish i was in a cube but then i think to myself ,"JHAP" and i jump back in the fire!Brett and Ricki:))

[Rado]

Heavy Metal does not condone abuse towards women!



Quite true, it abuses everyone' eardrums equally.:whistle:
Ohh tough guy with the gatlin gun!the pet shop boys called,they want their little helper back.:idea:Lol!

[Claymore]

Ohh tough guy with the gatlin gun!the pet shop boys called,they want their little helper back.:idea:

I'm more a ZZTop, BTR, CCR, GFR, TDG, SMB, DS, and PF type, newb.:))

[Claymore]

Oh stop being such an old fuddy dud Claymore. You know if they wore plaid skirts and had a different set of pipes you'd embrace them. :))

I did not say I didn't like it. :doh:I just said it was loud. Loud is good as long as I'm not sitting right in front of an amp.:twisted: I do like the effect it has on girl's nipples.:whistle:

[Dreamy]

No cube here.....at times i wish i was in a cube but then i think to myself ,"JHAP" and i jump back in the fire!Brett and Ricki:))

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/Xiamen012-1.jpg

^^^ If this turns out to be you so help me Rado I will make sure they pump 8 hours of Warrant on a continuous loop into your cubicle. :twisted:

:))

[Rado]

Heavy Metal does not condone abuse towards women!



Quite true, it abuses everyone' eardrums equally.:whistle:
What group are you with?anti-socialist of.....?

[Rado]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/Xiamen012-1.jpg

^^^ If this turns out to be you so help me Rado I will make sure they pump 8 hours of Warrant on a continuous loop into your cubicle. :twisted:

:))
you got me!where did you find that pic?

[Dreamy]

What group are you with?anti-socialist of.....?

Clay flash the smart ass noob like you did me when I first got here.:))

[rob_b52]

Clay flash the smart ass noob like you did me when I first got here.:))

+1....

Thank you sir..... may I have another....?

[Dreamy]

you got me!where did you find that pic?


I'm in the cube next to you fool. Lower your damn headbanger music will ya!:twisted: You're drowning out Barry.

[Dreamy]

+1....

Thank you sir..... may I have another....?

No! I was brand new here. I was traumatized for a week. Course it didn't help that I did a screen capture and enlargement before it got the boot. :))

[Rado]

I'm more a ZZTop, BTR, CCR, GFR, TDG, SMB, DS, and PF type, newb.:))
Dont care for newbs on your forum do ya?:snooty:

[Dreamy]

Dont care for newbs on your forum do ya?:snooty:


I love nooobs. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/scheming1.gif

[Rado]

No! I was brand new here. I was traumatized for a week. Course it didn't help that I did a screen capture and enlargement before it got the boot. :))
Dreamboat,how do you receive new post automatically?the only way yall's post come up on this thread is if i quote someone first.understand what im sayin?

[Dreamy]

Dreamboat,how do you receive new post automatically?the only way yall's post come up on this thread is if i quote someone first.understand what im sayin?

Do you mean the posts are in the wrong order? Most of your functions are in the User CP tab although I know for the first 24 you do not have full privileges. No heavy metal links until you have been here 6 months or have 3000 posts. :whistle:

:liar:

[Rado]

+1....

Thank you sir..... may I have another....?
rob,what is that pic of on your posts?

[Rado]

Do you mean the posts are in the wrong order? Most of your functions are in the User CP tab although I know for the first 24 you do not have full privileges. No heavy metal links until you have been here 6 months or have 3000 posts. :whistle:

:liar:
Hmmm......so your sayin i have a chance.....p.s.there not coming up automatically as you all type them?

[Dreamy]

Hmmm......so your sayin i have a chance.....

A chance at staying? :)) I don't know darling. That is clearly a function waaaay over my pay grade. I'm just a guest who likely should have left 4 years ago. lol

[rob_b52]

rob,what is that pic of on your posts?

that is a picture of me before the gender re-assignment surgery I had done with plastic....on my face.... I am better now and look like this.

[Rado]

Do you mean the posts are in the wrong order? Most of your functions are in the User CP tab although I know for the first 24 you do not have full privileges. No heavy metal links until you have been here 6 months or have 3000 posts. :whistle:

:liar:
You have 49,132 posts!!!?

[Rado]

that is a picture of me before the gender re-assignment surgery I had done with plastic....on my face.... I am better now and look like this.
Well things could be worse....

[Rado]

A chance at staying? :)) I don't know darling. That is clearly a function waaaay over my pay grade. I'm just a guest who likely should have left 4 years ago. lol
4 years ago.....where have i been.....

[rob_b52]

Well things could be worse....

well, yeah....fer shore.... I could have an avie that looks like....well, yours to put none too fine a point on it....

[Poisonshady313]

On a somewhat related note... what's the deal with Curtis using 50 cent and Jay Z music on his show... doesn't he abhor rap music? Doesn't he use 50 cent and Jay Z as those among the worst examples of human beings within the hip-hop world (with the exception of Biggie)?

I know it's not related to metal... but I was kinda hoping for a response to this one. Anyone know?

[Dreamy]

You have 49,132 posts!!!?

I do. 30 a day average. Check out those with 45 posts a day that came after me. :))

Damn cubicle life.

Pantera? Like? A friend I work with loves Pantera.

I like Sabbath the best.

I must admit I actually like Buckcherry. No links of their music will pass muster here but I like the band lots. Course I love swing/big band and classic rock so I am not the purist musical elitist like you are sir.

[Rado]

that is a picture of me before the gender re-assignment surgery I had done with plastic....on my face.... I am better now and look like this.
Rob,did you fly in under the radar as "Claymorter"?:confused:

[Dreamy]

4 years ago.....where have i been.....

Is this multiple choice Rado? My guess....

a. in junior high
b. in battle
c. in a cubicle <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<flashing neon
d. in a mosh pit



:think:

:))

[Rado]

I do. 30 a day average. Check out those with 45 posts a day that came after me. :))

Damn cubicle life.

Pantera? Like? A friend I work with loves Pantera.

I like Sabbath the best.

I must admit I actually like Buckcherry. No links of their music will pass muster here but I like the band lots. Course I love swing/big band and classic rock so I am not the purist musical elitist like you are sir.
yes i love Pantera.the guitarist is the one that got shot on stage about 4yrs ago.Sabbath are the forefathers of Metal.p.s.I know youve been on that metal tree site more than once 2nite:rolleyes:

[rob_b52]

Rob,did you fly in under the radar as "Claymorter"?:confused:

I do not fly sir...if god wanted me to fly, he would have given me wings. instead, I got tremendously good looks, a witty sense of humor, endowed me with non-alienable rights, great dancing skills and many pet crabs that I keep in my pocket. (or somewhere in the vicinity thereof)

Dont even get me started about how much I hate airplanes.....

[Dreamy]

yes i love Pantera.the guitarist is the one that got shot on stage about 4yrs ago.Sabbath are the forefathers of Metal.p.s.I know youve been on that metal tree site more than once 2nite:rolleyes:


What's a metal tree site? I am just old and I love music.. all music,well almost all.

Alice Cooper? My husband's favorite.

[Rado]

Is this multiple choice Rado? My guess....

a. in junior high
b. in battle
c. in a cubicle <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<flashing neon
d. in a mosh pit



:think:

:))
Technically neither......my last institution was battle.I mean can i just escape for awhile with Heavy Metal music?.p.s.Mosh pits are losing steam.I'v done my time in the mosh pits,and its good to see them burning out.:pray:

[Rado]

i do not fly sir...if god wanted me to fly, he would have given me wings. Instead, i got tremendously good looks, a witty sense of humor, endowed me with non-alienable rights, great dancing skills and many pet crabs that i keep in my pocket. (or somewhere in the vicinity thereof)

dont even get me started about how much i hate airplanes.....
lol!:))

[Dreamy]

Technically neither......my last institution was battle.I mean can i just escape for awhile with Heavy Metal music?.p.s.Mosh pits are losing steam.I'v done my time in the mosh pits,and its good to see them burning out.:pray:

Ok well my dear noob and metal purist I am burning out so all I can say is I like Thin Lizzy,Steppenwolf,Aerosmith(bestest),some Metallica and I do not beat women,just noobs.:twisted:

[Rado]

I know it's not related to metal... but I was kinda hoping for a response to this one. Anyone know?
Who is Curtis?:doh:

[Rado]

Ok well my dear noob and metal purist I am burning out so all I can say is I like Thin Lizzy,Steppenwolf,Aerosmith(bestest),some Metallica and I do not beat women,just noobs.:twisted:
Just keep Ridin the Lightning Dreamboat!:twisted:over n out!

[Rado]

Who is Curtis?:doh:
p.s.Im not to sure bro i'v been in the Metal trench to long:wall:

[Poisonshady313]

Who is Curtis?:doh:

Curtis Sliwa (born March 26, 1954) is an American anti-crime activist, founder of the Guardian Angels, and conservative radio talk show host.


Around these forums, it's a name you know. Hannity, Levine, Limbaugh, Sliwa, etc... (many others, don't come to mind at the moment)

His show is on late nights.

[Rado]

Curtis Sliwa (born March 26, 1954) is an American anti-crime activist, founder of the Guardian Angels, and conservative radio talk show host.


Around these forums, it's a name you know. Hannity, Levine, Limbaugh, Sliwa, etc... (many others, don't come to mind at the moment)

His show is on late nights.
Oh yeah,i know who he is i just didnt know his name.I havent seen him in along time though?Hence:hes on late nights.

[grapabeaux]

Every so often, VH1 plays a four-hour, four-part series called Heavy: the Story of Metal. It does a pretty fair retrospective of the broad categories and changes, from Sabbath and Zeppelin, to the resurgence in Maiden and Priest, to the Sunset Strip, and to the post-grunge resurgence. To be honest, I have no way of telling the good from the bad among the Slipknot System of a Saliva bands, so I don't watch the last hour very much. But it's an interesting account, in particular hearing a pudgy Jani Lane (the singer from Warrant) recount how he was pushed into writing "Cherry Pie", and how that whole album took a different direction because of that song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVt2z0q9F2c

Quote: "I could shoot myself in the ****ing head for writing that song."

I'm serious - the other songs on that album, like "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and "I Saw Red" are pretty good if you're grading on a curve for the genre.

[Rado]

Just saying "my man." You make people understand by being rational, not emotional or personal. We have no way to tell if there is a smile on your face - that is what the Smiles are for - and you did not use one.

As I said... go to the TTTM Forum and read the stickys. And watch the dissing of Sean... that is a big no no. If you want to play here you have to play by the rules. You will find that you can say anything you want within the rules, but the First Amendment is not carte blanche on privately operated discussion boards.
Well my man Samm,Fortunately for me "Dreamy" has showed me the light with forums and threading:)As far as "dissin" Sean,i didnt think i did,but then i read where i said he made an "ignorant" comment.the word ignorant sounds worse than the meaning itself(the act of not knowing)which no one is ammune too.:redface:So yes i may get a lil too excited over "Metal Music":razz:Sean didnt realize what he had said,but hey its cool! "I for one have seen the sun ,but i cant stop riding that Lightning!":twisted:

[Claymore]

Clay flash the smart ass noob like you did me when I first got here.:))


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0jKUzyU2z6OtaM:http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_dec2004/KiltBlown.jpg

Newbs, rubes, and boobs all get a bit of the Claymore treatment.
Nothing personal.:twisted:

[JeffR]

Pantera? Like? A friend I work with loves Pantera.
I have Vulgar Display of Power in my car CD player right now. :twisted:

[Claymore]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamy http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=49495411#post49495411)
Pantera? Like? A friend I work with loves Pantera.



I love one, but I can't afford one.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/de-tomaso-pantera-front.jpg

[Rado]

Umm...Claymorter,your not who i think you are...are you?

[Gabby]

Well my man,how else am i gonna make ya understand?I was tryin to explain it in a way that one could understand.I dont think i was being sensitive,i was kinda laughin when i wrote it.I started this thread b/c Sean made an ignorant comment towards a group of people.And its true:If you showed up to a Metallica concert wearing a Warrant t-shirt youd be shocked at how hostile people would be towards you.

You have yet to prove that Sean said any of the things you are accusing him of saying. But apparently establishing the truth is not high on your priority list.

[Rado]

Gabby, Sean said it,i dont know how i can prove it to ya?He said it last night when he was talkin about the rapper that beat up his girlfriend.Im a staunch supporter of Sean,Fox etc.I just had to shed light on his comment.

[Rado]

You have yet to prove that Sean said any of the things you are accusing him of saying. But apparently establishing the truth is not high on your priority list.
Proving Sean wrong is not at the top of my priority list.....this is not to make Sean look bad:snooty:

[ImNewHere]

So? Some women and men are into that sort of thing.

:))

Well, obviously, you are not very well versed when it comes to one of the world's greatest bands, Spinal Tap. But commenting on things on which you have no knowledge is nothing new for you.

But I will submit, as further evidence, their song "Big Bottom."

It's a song extolling the virtues of sexual assault on a morbidly obese woman.

[Claymore]

Umm...Claymore, you're not who i think you are...are you?

And that would be whom?:think:

[Arya]

Every so often, VH1 plays a four-hour, four-part series called Heavy: the Story of Metal. It does a pretty fair retrospective of the broad categories and changes, from Sabbath and Zeppelin, to the resurgence in Maiden and Priest, to the Sunset Strip, and to the post-grunge resurgence. To be honest, I have no way of telling the good from the bad among the Slipknot System of a Saliva bands, so I don't watch the last hour very much. But it's an interesting account, in particular hearing a pudgy Jani Lane (the singer from Warrant) recount how he was pushed into writing "Cherry Pie", and how that whole album took a different direction because of that song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVt2z0q9F2c

Quote: "I could shoot myself in the ****ing head for writing that song."

I'm serious - the other songs on that album, like "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and "I Saw Red" are pretty good if you're grading on a curve for the genre.

Warrant actually could've been a stronger metal band if it wasn't for the situations that Jani described in that documentary. Uncle Tom's Cabin is still my fav song by them-but everything else I considered fluff metal, although I thought they had the "chops" to be heavier.

[Davidj]

Metallica used to be true metal. I saw them in 90somethingish when they were touring for the Black album. That show rocked!! I hated Metallica after that..they became Selloutica for a long time. The new album has some seriously awesome chops..maybe their headed back to awesome land.
Slayer has always been in my top ten, saw them in I think 91 for Seasons tour..great show...pure metal.

A great metal band that is not real known in the states is Manowar..they are purists about their metal

[Pudge]

Granted, heavy metal music wasn't about physical abuse of women, but sometimes women were depicted as pretty disposable sex objects in their songs and videos.

Kiss, "Lick it Up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBUpxXIAGw

Kiss, "Uh All Night"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juySNmMIBjw

Motley Crue, "Girls, Girls, Girls"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJrSyFpK3iQ

And, of course, Warrant's "Cherry Pie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdDxz2bkfhE

I guess that's affectionate - sorta - but not in the respectful kind of way.

And before you ask, I'll cop to having bought all of these albums back in the day. :-)

None of them were what I would consider 'metal' though. Pop-metal at best, and considering other pop music at the time that was overtly sexual, I wonder why those bands got such a bad rap.

[Pudge]

:hand:Greetings all!Earlier we were contacted on behalf of a comment made by Mr.Hannity and Heavy Metal music condoning abuse towards women.Being that we are staunch supporters of the Republican party,we feel Sean has made a mistake in his remark:think:There are several types of "Metal Music" that span from 1980-The present."Heavy" Metal music/bands are roughly from 1980-1991.Heavy Metal bands and lyrics generally dont contain abuse towards women.Our lyrics at times can be overwhelming and dark,but not of womens abuse.WE ARE NOT Death Metal,Goth Metal,or Grunge Metal!The different types of the Metal music genre in general can be confusing for the unfamiliar listener.Black Sabbath,Metallica,Iron Maiden ARE some of the Heavy Metal bands(and thats who we are)"We may be low in ranks,but we're still in the trenches".:evil::flag:

Every offhand comment by Sean doesn't deserve an action committee. I doubt very much that Sean listens to much metal, in fact, from what I hear, he's a country fan. So, criticize country music with it's glorification of alcohol abuse and broken homes and so on. Every genre of music has parts of it that are less than savory. Keeps things interesting, I say.

[Samm]

Well my man Samm,Fortunately for me "Dreamy" has showed me the light with forums and threading:)As far as "dissin" Sean,i didnt think i did,but then i read where i said he made an "ignorant" comment.the word ignorant sounds worse than the meaning itself(the act of not knowing)which no one is ammune too.:redface:So yes i may get a lil too excited over "Metal Music":razz:Sean didnt realize what he had said,but hey its cool! "I for one have seen the sun ,but i cant stop riding that Lightning!":twisted:

As I said... "just saying." It is a very fine line between dissing some one's statements and dissing the person who made them. Particularly, when your own position is subjective. You can say you disagree with Sean all day long, but you will eventually find yourself in trouble if you personalize your criticism. I am just trying to help you out here...


PS: That big wide bar at the bottom of your key board has a purpose.

[Pudge]

. I dont know what your kids are in too,but the Hard rock bands today are advocating church burnings,harsh sataniism,and murder.

What are you talking about? Hard rock bands like what, Nickelback? Yeah, I can see Chad Kroger in corpse paint burning a church. Are you serious?

The only bands remotely connected to church burnings are the few Norwegian black metal bands from the early 1990's that inspired several of them. That's it.

these bands arent preachin this out of shock rock to sell albums,their the real deal!Some of the popular bands are from Iceland,and theyve already burned several churches down in that country.you dont see these bands on Mtv,or here them on the radio.Here are some names "Canable corpse","Lamb of god","Cradle of filth".AC/DC aint so bad after all huh? and by the way AC/DC stands for "Alternate Current/Direct Current" NOT "After Christ/Devil Comes.

By Thor's beard, you know nothing of metal.

Cannibal Corpse is a death metal band from Florida that's been around for 20 years and they've never burned a church or advocated satanism. They sing about gore and death and horror, not Satan.

Lamb of God is a thrash/groove metal band in the style of Pantera out of Richmond, Virginia, who changed their name. Used to be called Burn the Priest, but again, their lyrics don't reflect any particular belief in Satan. Cradle of Filth hails from England and their music occasionally touches on Satanic themes, but their overall forte is gothic horror, not devil worship. Their music is loosely based on black metal but has become more of a symphonic/melodic death metal, as their music is often accompanied by orchestration.

I would wager to say, by this post alone, that you know less about metal than Sean Hannity does.

[Pudge]

*Admission time*

I've listened to Stryper (Christian Metal Band)...

:redface:

They ain't the best metal of course, but I liked their message, and what they attempted to do.

I love Stryper, saw them live a few years ago, they still got it. Incredible band.

[Pudge]

Donchu be dissing Cinderella metal man. You don't know what you got til its gone.


Me and the family circa 1985

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/mullet-1.jpg

:whistle:

I had no idea you were from New Jersey. :))

[Pudge]

Oh stop being such an old fuddy dud Claymore. You know if they wore plaid skirts and had a different set of pipes you'd embrace them. :))

He just needs to discover Celtic metal:

Suidakra: The IXth Legion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz8EfkS4KK0&feature=related

Watch for the bagpipe solo 2:30 minutes in.

[Dreamy]

I had no idea you were from New Jersey. :))

The lengths I'll go to get a laugh.:)) Newbie fun. Been a while since I had one you could actually have fun with here. Rado is ok for a cubie guy.:whistle:

[Arya]

None of them were what I would consider 'metal' though. Pop-metal at best, and considering other pop music at the time that was overtly sexual, I wonder why those bands got such a bad rap.

I think the backlash from the overly done up hair and makeup in all bands earlier days did them no justice.

I have always liked the Crue, and Warrant to some degree, but never cared for Kiss. I always thought, musically speaking, that the Crue and Warrant were better bands in comparison.

[Arya]

The lengths I'll go to get a laugh.:)) Newbie fun. Been a while since I had one you could actually have fun with here. Rado is ok for a cubie guy.:whistle:

You mean he's "pretty fly for a cubie guy"? :eek:

;)

[Dreamy]

He just needs to discover Celtic metal:

Suidakra: The IXth Legion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz8EfkS4KK0&feature=related

Watch for the bagpipe solo 2:30 minutes in.

Very intense. Battle celtic hymn? Is that a sub genre in the heavy metal genre?

[Rado]

Pudge,Im well aware of who comes from where and who worships what.Can cor,L of God,etc was a general description of harsher bands a kid could be listening to besides AC/DC.The point i was making is that old school metal is generally light compared to some of the Metal today.If any Metal band past/present truly worships satan(which i think is ridiculous) i dont care!And yes you are correct the church burnings were isolated cases,but that doesnt mean it didnt happen.Its a fact that newer metal is pullin the "Shock rock card" for noteriety.So this is where i stand:This is not about Sean Bashing by any means!It has to do with a comment made towards "Heavy Metal" advocating abuse towards women!If ya wanna dismiss Heavy Metal bands as wife beaters then so be it!It is what it is! P.S.And no i dont need Celtic Metal in my life.

[Rado]

What are you talking about? Hard rock bands like what, Nickelback? Yeah, I can see Chad Kroger in corpse paint burning a church. Are you serious?

The only bands remotely connected to church burnings are the few Norwegian black metal bands from the early 1990's that inspired several of them. That's it.



By Thor's beard, you know nothing of metal.

Cannibal Corpse is a death metal band from Florida that's been around for 20 years and they've never burned a church or advocated satanism. They sing about gore and death and horror, not Satan.

Lamb of God is a thrash/groove metal band in the style of Pantera out of Richmond, Virginia, who changed their name. Used to be called Burn the Priest, but again, their lyrics don't reflect any particular belief in Satan. Cradle of Filth hails from England and their music occasionally touches on Satanic themes, but their overall forte is gothic horror, not devil worship. Their music is loosely based on black metal but has become more of a symphonic/melodic death metal, as their music is often accompanied by orchestration.

I would wager to say, by this post alone, that you know less about metal than Sean Hannity does.
Hmmm....I never said Nickelback did anything?P.S. I dont like the "new shock rock" metal scene.In my opinion the newer metal lacks significant talent!!They seem to think the arms race is still goin on,and its not!(slow down) and if theyre gonna play those super sonic speed riffs,well then by god they better know how to play that instrument!!!Its almost like they never really cared to learn their instruments? However i will admit that Lamb of God has tremendous talent....its just they never really learned how to write a song!?Of course you have more knowledge on your style of metal than me.My Metal preference pretty much stopped with Dimebags death.

[Rado]

The lengths I'll go to get a laugh.:)) Newbie fun. Been a while since I had one you could actually have fun with here. Rado is ok for a cubie guy.:whistle:
Grrrrr......:shifty:

[mtdim]

Obviously, people have forgotten one of Spinal Tap's album covers, "Smell the Glove":

"You should have seen the cover they wanted to do. It wasn't a glove, believe me."

Check out Norwiegan black metal for bands that condone abuse towards everyone. Gorgoroth FTW. Gaahl, Infernus, Pest, and Tormentor don't **** around.

[JeffR]

Some groups i listen to sing about some pretty sick stuff. But, I really don't care what they sing about. Shoot, my favorite band sings in German, I'm not even sure what they are singing about. (After I looked at translations of a few of their songs, I decided it's best that I didn't know what they were. :D )

[Rado]

Some groups i listen to sing about some pretty sick stuff. But, I really don't care what they sing about. Shoot, my favorite band sings in German, I'm not even sure what they are singing about. (After I looked at translations of a few of their songs, I decided it's best that I didn't know what they were. :D )
Whats the name of your German band?just curious.

[JeffR]

Whats the name of your German band?just curious.
Rammstein! :dance:

[Rado]

Rammstein! :dance:
:doh:Yeah i dont know who wronged thoes guys in life,but they mean business.

[Mike88]

:hand:Greetings all!Earlier we were contacted on behalf of a comment made by Mr.Hannity and Heavy Metal music condoning abuse towards women.Being that we are staunch supporters of the Republican party,we feel Sean has made a mistake in his remark:think:There are several types of "Metal Music" that span from 1980-The present."Heavy" Metal music/bands are roughly from 1980-1991.Heavy Metal bands and lyrics generally dont contain abuse towards women.Our lyrics at times can be overwhelming and dark,but not of womens abuse.WE ARE NOT Death Metal,Goth Metal,or Grunge Metal!The different types of the Metal music genre in general can be confusing for the unfamiliar listener.Black Sabbath,Metallica,Iron Maiden ARE some of the Heavy Metal bands(and thats who we are)"We may be low in ranks,but we're still in the trenches".:evil::flag:


I have to agree. 80s metal (hair metal, glam, whatever) had two themes from 1981 through 1992 - partying anthems and ballads about emotional tragedies. Its some of the most harmless music of all time.

[Buffalo]

What are you talking about? Hard rock bands like what, Nickelback? Yeah, I can see Chad Kroger in corpse paint burning a church. Are you serious?

The only bands remotely connected to church burnings are the few Norwegian black metal bands from the early 1990's that inspired several of them. That's it.



By Thor's beard, you know nothing of metal.

Cannibal Corpse is a death metal band from Florida that's been around for 20 years and they've never burned a church or advocated satanism. They sing about gore and death and horror, not Satan.

Lamb of God is a thrash/groove metal band in the style of Pantera out of Richmond, Virginia, who changed their name. Used to be called Burn the Priest, but again, their lyrics don't reflect any particular belief in Satan. Cradle of Filth hails from England and their music occasionally touches on Satanic themes, but their overall forte is gothic horror, not devil worship. Their music is loosely based on black metal but has become more of a symphonic/melodic death metal, as their music is often accompanied by orchestration.

I would wager to say, by this post alone, that you know less about metal than Sean Hannity does.
Just wanted to clarify, Cannibal Corpse started here in Buffalo with Chris Barnes who went on to Six Feet Under (formed in Tampa). And yeah, none of those bands burns churches or any of the crap associated w/ Black Metal.

[Pudge]

Very intense. Battle celtic hymn? Is that a sub genre in the heavy metal genre?

It falls under a broader umbrella of folk metal. In folk metal you have Viking metal, pagan metal, Celtic metal, and so on. It's not defined by musical style as much as it's defined by lyrical content.. although the bagpipes are pretty much only used in the Celtic subgenre.

[Pudge]

Pudge,Im well aware of who comes from where and who worships what.Can cor,L of God,etc was a general description of harsher bands a kid could be listening to besides AC/DC.

You deliberately linked those bands to Satanism and church burnings, though. While they are heavier than AC/DC musically, they're not 'harsh' in the least. They're completely different than AC/DC, and they sound heavier, but they're not 'more evil'.

The point i was making is that old school metal is generally light compared to some of the Metal today.If any Metal band past/present truly worships satan(which i think is ridiculous) i dont care!

In sound, perhaps. Maybe bands today push the envelope more with the lyrics since metal lyrics don't shock people much anymore.

yes you are correct the church burnings were isolated cases,but that doesnt mean it didnt happen.

But that was 18 years ago in Norway, and the people who did that didn't do it for 'shock', they were seriously psychotic people who just happened to be listeners of a handful of local black metal bands at the time. Metal did not inspire them to burn churches.

Its a fact that newer metal is pullin the "Shock rock card" for noteriety.

No they're not. The three bands you listed have been around for at LEAST 12 years- Lamb of God being the youngest. Cradle of Filth started in the early 1990's, Cannibal Corpse were around in the late 1980's. The latter two bands did rely on shock value to some extent early on in their careers- Cannibal Corpse was a frequent target of religious protesters in the US because they were the most popular death metal band in the 1990's. Lamb of God was never a shock-oriented band. Today, there is nothing about metal that is shocking, it's all been done- and it's usually not done by underground metal bands, but by mainstream borderline metal acts like Marilyn Manson. You won't see Ensiferum or Opeth relying on cheap shock tactics or lyrics about Satan to sell albums, it's just not what they're about.

So this is where i stand:This is not about Sean Bashing by any means!It has to do with a comment made towards "Heavy Metal" advocating abuse towards women!If ya wanna dismiss Heavy Metal bands as wife beaters then so be it!It is what it is!

I didn't hear what Sean said, but I am sure it's just an offhand, out of context remark. As he most likely doesn't listen to metal, I can forgive him that slip- and besides, the truth is that there have been a lot of pop-metal bands whose lyrics did disparage women and relegate them to sex objects. That he doesn't know the difference between a band like Warrant and a band like Iron Maiden is a fault of him just not being much of a metal fan.

P.S.And no i dont need Celtic Metal in my life.

Everyone needs some Celtic metal in their life. That was directed at Claymore, though.

Suidakra is epic beyond words.

[Pudge]

Just wanted to clarify, Cannibal Corpse started here in Buffalo with Chris Barnes who went on to Six Feet Under (formed in Tampa). And yeah, none of those bands burns churches or any of the crap associated w/ Black Metal.

Ah, OK. I thought they formed in Tampa. Didn't CC relocate there, though? I could have sworn they were from Florida at some point.

[Pudge]

Hmmm....I never said Nickelback did anything?P.S. I dont like the "new shock rock" metal scene.In my opinion the newer metal lacks significant talent!!They seem to think the arms race is still goin on,and its not!(slow down) and if theyre gonna play those super sonic speed riffs,well then by god they better know how to play that instrument!!!Its almost like they never really cared to learn their instruments? However i will admit that Lamb of God has tremendous talent....its just they never really learned how to write a song!?Of course you have more knowledge on your style of metal than me.My Metal preference pretty much stopped with Dimebags death.

I don't know what 'new' shock rock you're talking about, though.

Newer metal does not lack talent, it lacks exposure. The kind of 'metal' that is popular is dumbed down and infused with hardcore and glam fashion (Atreyu, August Burns Red, Devil Wears Prada, etc), or they're just pseudo-tough guy crap like Terror and Emmure. Even Lamb of God is mainstreaming their sound a lot, though you might like their new album Wrath that comes out tomorrow.

As much as I honor Dime, as much as I am a fan of Pantera and as much as my band Machina Infernus is influenced by Pantera, metal did not stop with his death. Dime was arguably not even playing metal with Damageplan when he was murdered. DP was more of a nu-metal band with better guitar solos.

Now, I can give you some recommendations on current bands if you tell me what you like from back in the day. You'll see that metal has not died, it's stronger than ever.

[Greyclouds]

I don't know what 'new' shock rock you're talking about, though.

Newer metal does not lack talent, it lacks exposure. The kind of 'metal' that is popular is dumbed down and infused with hardcore and glam fashion (Atreyu, August Burns Red, Devil Wears Prada, etc), or they're just pseudo-tough guy crap like Terror and Emmure. Even Lamb of God is mainstreaming their sound a lot, though you might like their new album Wrath that comes out tomorrow.

As much as I honor Dime, as much as I am a fan of Pantera and as much as my band Machina Infernus is influenced by Pantera, metal did not stop with his death. Dime was arguably not even playing metal with Damageplan when he was murdered. DP was more of a nu-metal band with better guitar solos.

Now, I can give you some recommendations on current bands if you tell me what you like from back in the day. You'll see that metal has not died, it's stronger than ever.

I am waiting patiently for "Wrath;" their myspace mp3's for the upcoming album sound AWESEOME!

I agree with you entirely on Lamb of God. In fact, one can say that they're more of a atheistic anti-imperialistic band, if anything. Preaching violence, hate and aggression towards women? Not even in one lyric, and I've heard all their songs. Just because it sounds brutal does not mean that the lyrics advocate wanton behavior.

As for Lamb of God mainstreaming their sound, I'm not entirely against such a move. They've become a HUGE act, and it sounds to me with their last release (Sacrament) that they know the line between "selling out" and "mainstreaming." All that Remains (the only "metal-core" band that I listen to), by contrast, released a really disappointing album with "Overcome." THAT was a bit of a "sell-out" move.

[bar1scorpio]

Well hell, I thought this was going to be about the comic book er... graphic novel magazine.

Or the animated flick. Either was awesome.

And on Eminem... he's just as dejected as any twangy country singer, but those singers talk about taking it out on someone's truck, or house. Rarely on actual people.

[Pudge]

I am waiting patiently for "Wrath;" their myspace mp3's for the upcoming album sound AWESEOME!

From what I've heard on Sirius, the songs aren't that bad, but there's something about it that isn't settling well with me.

I agree with you entirely on Lamb of God. In fact, one can say that they're more of a atheistic anti-imperialistic band, if anything. Preaching violence, hate and aggression towards women? Not even in one lyric, and I've heard all their songs. Just because it sounds brutal does not mean that the lyrics advocate wanton behavior.

True. The only shocking thing LoG ever had was their old name, Burn the Priest, and they dropped that ten years ago.

As for Lamb of God mainstreaming their sound, I'm not entirely against such a move. They've become a HUGE act, and it sounds to me with their last release (Sacrament) that they know the line between "selling out" and "mainstreaming." All that Remains (the only "metal-core" band that I listen to), by contrast, released a really disappointing album with "Overcome." THAT was a bit of a "sell-out" move.

I think my issue with the newer LoG stuff is that the songwriting seems very dumbed-down. They're capable of so much more. All That Remains would be much better if they didn't follow such a generic template- screamy verse/sing-sing chorus, and the Nevermore cover was not necessary, since it was just a flat redux of the original with weaker vocals.

I think LoG is going to get more 'sellout' comments, that always happens. I don't think they've 'sold out', but I hope they didn't mail in this album.

[Mohawk5]

Heavy Metal might exploit women but beat them. Nah.

[Rado]

You deliberately linked those bands to Satanism and church burnings, though. While they are heavier than AC/DC musically, they're not 'harsh' in the least. They're completely different than AC/DC, and they sound heavier, but they're not 'more evil'.



In sound, perhaps. Maybe bands today push the envelope more with the lyrics since metal lyrics don't shock people much anymore.



But that was 18 years ago in Norway, and the people who did that didn't do it for 'shock', they were seriously psychotic people who just happened to be listeners of a handful of local black metal bands at the time. Metal did not inspire them to burn churches.



No they're not. The three bands you listed have been around for at LEAST 12 years- Lamb of God being the youngest. Cradle of Filth started in the early 1990's, Cannibal Corpse were around in the late 1980's. The latter two bands did rely on shock value to some extent early on in their careers- Cannibal Corpse was a frequent target of religious protesters in the US because they were the most popular death metal band in the 1990's. Lamb of God was never a shock-oriented band. Today, there is nothing about metal that is shocking, it's all been done- and it's usually not done by underground metal bands, but by mainstream borderline metal acts like Marilyn Manson. You won't see Ensiferum or Opeth relying on cheap shock tactics or lyrics about Satan to sell albums, it's just not what they're about.



I didn't hear what Sean said, but I am sure it's just an offhand, out of context remark. As he most likely doesn't listen to metal, I can forgive him that slip- and besides, the truth is that there have been a lot of pop-metal bands whose lyrics did disparage women and relegate them to sex objects. That he doesn't know the difference between a band like Warrant and a band like Iron Maiden is a fault of him just not being much of a metal fan.



Everyone needs some Celtic metal in their life. That was directed at Claymore, though.

Suidakra is epic beyond words.
(sorry bout the lack of paragraphs,my computer is on the frits)Pudge, Oh Claymore....hmm,well make no mistake about it "Claymore" needs somethin in his life but i dont think its metal. What he probably needs is that sidewalk that lights up on the Michael Jakson/ Billy Jean video.......and hell while your at it,ya might wanna throw in a disco ball for that "Dreamy" chick:dance: As far as the Sean comment goes (and yes i got carried away in the moment) he was talkin about the latest rapper that beat his girlfriend, and he ended the discussion with something like "This just goes along with hip-hop and heavy metal music", and then it cut to the commercial(Thats when my switchboard lit up). Ya kinda had to see it to get what im saying. When i started the thread i was more or less laughin about it in a militant way. I was givin him my "Bow to Metal" ego (which can surface at the drop of a hat):wall: This Norwegian black metal subject is outdated i know(has it really been 18 yrs):doh:I'v kinda always had a bitter on going rivalry with the Nor black metal scene,and eventhough most black metal arent in too the "Gaahl" violence it sure seems that Gaahl and several other bands still have a grip on that scene? Its been awhile since i'v checked in on the clown,but im sure he's still livin in that mountain top house in Nor just sippin away on his red wine collection. The crazy thing with these Nor B/ Gaahl metal bands is that they arent in it for shock,or even the music .They started these bands quote["For the sole purpose of erasing every trace of christianity"]. I mean these guys are somethin else! Correct me if im wrong but they(band members,and fans) burnt down 12 or so churches in the area. At the end of the day was there remorse? Nope! quote:["More shoulda burned,and there will be more"]. And all this is just the tip of the ole' iceburg. If anyone wants to be amazed at what a bunch of idiots can do with lots of makeup and a band,and in a sense kinda get away with it.....google "Gaahl documentry" or something similar, its quite remarkable.note:But remember,the majority of metal fans/metal bands consider these clowns morons......right Pudge?:) As far as "shock rock" and all the other forty or so genre styles of metal goes, i think we can all agree that it is complex and a bit insane! Bands like "Can Corpse" with their album covers have to throw the shock in there for noteriety,i understand that but, WOW! Just when i thought it cant get anyworse than my twisted unexplained nightmares, boy was i wrong:D So when i said Can Corpse is a harsher band than AC/DC the writings on the wall.I think with CC's "artwork" and song titles like "Meathook Sodomy" are a bit over the top compared to AC/DC's "Hells Bells". However im gonna change my militant stance on Lamb of God. Just for the simple fact they are amazing guitarist's and they figured out they didnt need a name like "Burn the preist" after all, for sucess. I know im old school when it comes to Metal, but i never thought metal died with Dimebag :snooty: I was saying my personal interest with new metal faded away. My favorite album is "....and justice for all ". And as far as Metallica goes....well thats a bitter sweet topic. I could never understand why the greatest metal band of all time, would throw it all away for "radio exceptance"?! When Metallica came out with the Black album it was pretty bad. But now lookin back,the Black album was a master piece compared to their last 7 or so albums (and yes Lars im talking to you, it was all your falt and you know it. Your the most annoying person when it comes to interviews and you made the worst business decision in metal history......ya shoulda stuck to tennis)!:lol:

[Rado]

I have to agree. 80s metal (hair metal, glam, whatever) had two themes from 1981 through 1992 - partying anthems and ballads about emotional tragedies. Its some of the most harmless music of all time.
This is true, however 81-92 also had two main divisions:Heavy/Speed Thrash Metal vs. Glam/Pop Mtv Metal.

[Buffalo]

Ah, OK. I thought they formed in Tampa. Didn't CC relocate there, though? I could have sworn they were from Florida at some point.
Don't really know the full biography, but I'm pretty sure they went to Florida before they dumped Barnes. An old friend of mine was friends with some of the band and a huge fan of theirs and six feet under. Dying Fetus too.

[rob_b52]

OK...I am convinced... you people will argue about ANYTHING

[Dreamy]

(sorry bout the lack of paragraphs,my computer is on the frits)Pudge, Oh Claymore....hmm,well make no mistake about it "Claymore" needs somethin in his life but i dont think its metal. What he probably needs is that sidewalk that lights up on the Michael Jakson/ Billy Jean video.......and hell while your at it,ya might wanna throw in a disco ball for that "Dreamy" chick:dance: As far as the Sean comment goes (and yes i got carried away in the moment) he was talkin about the latest rapper that beat his girlfriend, and he ended the discussion with something like "This just goes along with hip-hop and heavy metal music", and then it cut to the commercial(Thats when my switchboard lit up). Ya kinda had to see it to get what im saying. When i started the thread i was more or less laughin about it in a militant way. I was givin him my "Bow to Metal" ego (which can surface at the drop of a hat):wall: This Norwegian black metal subject is outdated i know(has it really been 18 yrs):doh:I'v kinda always had a bitter on going rivalry with the Nor black metal scene,and eventhough most black metal arent in too the "Gaahl" violence it sure seems that Gaahl and several other bands still have a grip on that scene? Its been awhile since i'v checked in on the clown,but im sure he's still livin in that mountain top house in Nor just sippin away on his red wine collection. The crazy thing with these Nor B/ Gaahl metal bands is that they arent in it for shock,or even the music .They started these bands quote["For the sole purpose of erasing every trace of christianity"]. I mean these guys are somethin else! Correct me if im wrong but they(band members,and fans) burnt down 12 or so churches in the area. At the end of the day was there remorse? Nope! quote:["More shoulda burned,and there will be more"]. And all this is just the tip of the ole' iceburg. If anyone wants to be amazed at what a bunch of idiots can do with lots of makeup and a band,and in a sense kinda get away with it.....google "Gaahl documentry" or something similar, its quite remarkable.note:But remember,the majority of metal fans/metal bands consider these clowns morons......right Pudge?:) As far as "shock rock" and all the other forty or so genre styles of metal goes, i think we can all agree that it is complex and a bit insane! Bands like "Can Corpse" with their album covers have to throw the shock in there for noteriety,i understand that but, WOW! Just when i thought it cant get anyworse than my twisted unexplained nightmares, boy was i wrong:D So when i said Can Corpse is a harsher band than AC/DC the writings on the wall.I think with CC's "artwork" and song titles like "Meathook Sodomy" are a bit over the top compared to AC/DC's "Hells Bells". However im gonna change my militant stance on Lamb of God. Just for the simple fact they are amazing guitarist's and they figured out they didnt need a name like "Burn the preist" after all, for sucess. I know im old school when it comes to Metal, but i never thought metal died with Dimebag :snooty: I was saying my personal interest with new metal faded away. My favorite album is "....and justice for all ". And as far as Metallica goes....well thats a bitter sweet topic. I could never understand why the greatest metal band of all time, would throw it all away for "radio exceptance"?! When Metallica came out with the Black album it was pretty bad. But now lookin back,the Black album was a master piece compared to their last 7 or so albums (and yes Lars im talking to you, it was all your falt and you know it. Your the most annoying person when it comes to interviews and you made the worst business decision in metal history......ya shoulda stuck to tennis)!:lol:

.and hell while your at it,ya might wanna throw in a disco ball for that "Dreamy" chick:dance: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/disco.gif

Ok I am here Mr Metal Man. Now tell me who just loooooooooves Michael Buble!!? :clap:

Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love. Don't care what sub genre it is I love that song. It never gets old and it schooled the bands down the road.

Ok not to interrupt the machismo flavor of the thread but lets talk female metal bands/artist. Do they exist?

Heart?

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts?

Lita Ford?

Nightwish?

Leaves' Eyes <---- not to be confused with ABBA lol

Would love to see you experts discuss the American versus European influences on metal.

[Sennik]

.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/disco.gif

Ok I am here Mr Metal Man. Now tell me who just loooooooooves Michael Buble!!? :clap:

Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love. Don't care what sub genre it is I love that song. It never gets old and it schooled the bands down the road.

Ok not to interrupt the machismo flavor of the thread but lets talk female metal bands/artist. Do they exist?

Heart?

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts?

Lita Ford?

Nightwish?

Leaves' Eyes <---- not to be confused with ABBA lol

Would love to see you experts discuss the American versus European influences on metal.

I am a bit of an eclectic when it comes to music but I tend towards the style of the old Metallica or melodic heavy metal.

Regarding female artists I enjoyed Lita Ford but the band I miss the most is Drain STH both musically and visually :twisted:

[Rado]

.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/disco.gif

Ok I am here Mr Metal Man. Now tell me who just loooooooooves Michael Buble!!? :clap:

Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love. Don't care what sub genre it is I love that song. It never gets old and it schooled the bands down the road.

Ok not to interrupt the machismo flavor of the thread but lets talk female metal bands/artist. Do they exist?

Heart?

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts?

Lita Ford?

Nightwish?

Leaves' Eyes <---- not to be confused with ABBA lol

Would love to see you experts discuss the American versus European influences on metal.
Lol! I beg your pardone mam? We are not experts, we are metal scientist....experts dont know squat! Of course theres room for babe bands in this Spartan arena!:drool: This ship may be battered, but we've not gone completley mad:twisted: The Runaways (Lita Ford,Joan Jett/ pre-solo careers). Heart , the best babe band in my book, if their song "Heartbreak" doesnt make you take heartache to the streets then you must be a communist! If there wasnt a Led Zep or Beatles there wouldnt be a Black Sabbath....and without Sabbath there definitely wouldnt be Metal. I was on a BMX racing team in 84' and right before the ride to the gates, i demanded we as a team post up with Led Zeps "Imigrant Song" blarin over the loud speakers. The crowd went wild (and so did we). "Whole lotta love" is a classic....im gonna convince myself you dont know the lyrical meaning behind that song:silenced: Nightwish? never heard of this outfit? ABBA....gulp! Dreamy as if. Who in the world is Michael Buble? You mean Michael Bolton:)) As far as Euro vs. American influences on metal: Theres really no argument (famous last words) on that one. Metal was born in Birmingham,England by Toni Iommi and Ozzy a.ka. Black Sabbath. Black Sabbath created their metal sound kinda by accident. In 1970, They tried to make a Beatles "White Album".....didnt quite turn out that way. Judas Priest pioneered metal in 1980, then a few years later came American metal like Metallica. Well its good to see Rob B52 is back on the scene. Disco balls and lit up sidewalks!!:dance:

[Dreamy]

Lol! I beg your pardone mam? We are not experts, we are proffesionals....experts dont know squat! Of course theres room for babe bands in this Spartan arena!:drool: This ship may be battered, but we've not gone completley mad:twisted: The Runaways (Lita Ford,Joan Jett/ pre-solo careers). Heart , the best babe band in my book, if their song "Heartbreak" doesnt make you take heartache to the streets then you must be a communist! If there wasnt a Led Zep or Beatles there wouldnt be a Black Sabbath....and without Sabbath there definitely wouldnt be Metal. I was on a BMX racing team in 84' and right before the ride to the gates, i demanded we as a team post up with Led Zeps "Imigrant Song" blarin over the loud speakers. The crowd went wild (and so did we). "Whole lotta love" is a classic....im gonna convince myself you dont know the lyrical meaning behind that song:silenced: Nightwish? never heard of this outfit? ABBA....gulp! Dreamy as if. Who in the world is Michael Buble? You mean Michael Bolton:)) As far as Euro vs. American influences on metal: Theres really no argument (famous last words) on that one. Metal was born in Birmingham,England by Toni Iommi and Ozzy a.ka. Black Sabbath. Black Sabbath created their metal sound kinda by accident. In 1970, They tried to make a Beatles "White Album".....didnt quite turn out that way. Judas Priest pioneered metal in 1980, then a few years later came American metal like Metallica. Well its good to see Rob B52 is back on the scene. Disco balls and lit up sidewalks!!:dance:





Well I mean expert in the sense you all go deeper than I do into metal. I simply listen and dance,exercise or zone out to it. Read a little but no where near what you all do.


"Whole lotta love" is a classic....im gonna convince myself you dont know the lyrical meaning behind that song:silenced:


Please darlin' bet I do.

Did you see Paige and Leona Lewis perform this song 2008 Beijing Olympics? There was a slight change in the lyrical content. lol

Buble is not Bolten! haha

Metal came mroe from the punk scene in the UK while some of the inspiration was also drawn from American blues. But of course most genres here drew from the blues.

[Arya]

.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/disco.gif

Ok I am here Mr Metal Man. Now tell me who just loooooooooves Michael Buble!!? :clap:

Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love. Don't care what sub genre it is I love that song. It never gets old and it schooled the bands down the road.

Ok not to interrupt the machismo flavor of the thread but lets talk female metal bands/artist. Do they exist?

Heart?

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts?

Lita Ford?

Nightwish?

Leaves' Eyes <---- not to be confused with ABBA lol

Would love to see you experts discuss the American versus European influences on metal.


And please please please don't forget Ms Doro Pesch... :cool:

[Dreamy]

And please please please don't forget Ms Doro Pesch... :cool:


Oh please do share more Arya. I do not know the band.

[Arya]

Oh please do share more Arya. I do not know the band.

Doro is the lead singer of the band Warlock until the 80's when she went solo. Her website: http://www.doropesch.com/

Vid of Doro and Tarja Turunen(Nightwish): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_H63SZ_zoY&feature=related


You may also like Cristina Scabbia from Lacuna Coil, althogh they're more goth than metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixxtnrWb17Y

Kittie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcPBjT_c_rc

Another chkk is Simone Simons from Epica (I call this "classical metal", but her voice is BEAUTIFUL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3FELocOtu0&feature=related

[Dreamy]

Doro is the lead singer of the band Warlock until the 80's when she went solo. Her website: http://www.doropesch.com/

Vid of Doro and Tarja Turunen(Nightwish): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_H63SZ_zoY&feature=related


You may also like Cristina Scabbia from Lacuna Coil, althogh they're more goth than metal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixxtnrWb17Y

Kittie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcPBjT_c_rc

Another chkk is Simone Simons from Epica (I call this "classical metal", but her voice is BEAUTIFUL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3FELocOtu0&feature=related

Thanks. I'll look at them when I am at home. I actually love Lacuna Coil. You are one that turned me on to them.

[Arya]

Thanks. I'll look at them when I am at home. I actually love Lacuna Coil. You are one that turned me on to them.

I thought I had talked about Lacuna Coil with you before. Good to know :cool:

[FoxGranadaChuck]

never heard it or read it myself.

I am very anti-censorship for music and books either way.

Don't like it,don't listen.


+1

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I was never a big fan of Heavy Metal music, especially back in my high school days way back in the Dark Ages. :)) :))


Seriously though, even though I never liked Heavy Metal, to each their own concerning both music and literature.

[Dreamy]

I was never a big fan of Heavy Metal music, especially back in my high school days way back in the Dark Ages. :)) :))


Seriously though, even though I never liked Heavy Metal, to each their own concerning both music and literature.

I think the Dark Ages have returned. The news is depressing. I need my music to match. Hey Chuck I'm older than you.:twisted:

[Dreamy]

I thought I had talked about Lacuna Coil with you before. Good to know :cool:


Yes you did. I love being introduced to new,be it music or literature or even politics. And you are definitely someone whose opinions make me take a look. Besides Manilow has been slow coming out with anything new.:whistle:

[Arya]

I was never a big fan of Heavy Metal music, especially back in my high school days way back in the Dark Ages. :)) :))


Seriously though, even though I never liked Heavy Metal, to each their own concerning both music and literature.

Hear hear, Foxy dearz, thou hast wizdom beyond your years :)

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Hear hear, Foxy dearz, thou hast wizdom beyond your years :)


Is it wizdom or just plain blarney? :think: :think: :think:


:)) :))

[Arya]

Yes you did. I love being introduced to new,be it music or literature or even politics. And you are definitely someone whose opinions make me take a look. Besides Manilow has been slow coming out with anything new.:whistle:

:)) Maniluv (no, I did NOT type "manluv", lol!!!) yer killin me here Mizz D! Anyhew, if you like Lacuna's more melodous music, you may actually dig Simone Simons and Epic. They really remind me of "Renaissance" Metal more than anything else. When you hear them you'll know what I mean.

[Arya]

Is it wizdom or just plain blarney? :think: :think: :think:


:)) :))

Well, St Paddy's day is just around the Emerald Corner ;)

Now, what the heck is a "blarney stone" anyhow, and why the heck do you "kiss" it? :think:

[FoxGranadaChuck]

:)) Maniluv (no, I did NOT type "manluv", lol!!!) yer killin me here Mizz D! Anyhew, if you like Lacuna's more melodous music, you may actually dig Simone Simons and Epic. They really remind me of "Renaissance" Metal more than anything else. When you hear them you'll know what I mean.


There ARE some of us men who do like Barry Manilow..... ;) ;)

[Arya]

There ARE some of us men who do like Barry Manilow..... ;) ;)

Well, aren't you glad I clarified my prior post about his "nickname"? :)) My other nickname for him is "Mannimush" :lol:

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Well, aren't you glad I clarified my prior post about his "nickname"? :)) My other nickname for him is "Mannimush" :lol:


I am indeed glad that you did make that clarification.....

:)) :))

[Dreamy]

There ARE some of us men who do like Barry Manilow..... ;) ;)

Will you marry me?:eek: My long journey is over. I found my soulmate.:drool:

If I remember right you liked Toto too! We have so much in common.

Check out Michael Buble. And have you seen what Rod Stewert can do with a Sinatra tune?

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Will you marry me?:eek: My long journey is over. I found my soulmate.:drool:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

If I remember right you liked Toto too! We have so much in common.

Right on! 1 for 1! Toto IV is one of my top favorite albums of all time.

Check out Michael Buble. And have you seen what Rod Stewert can do with a Sinatra tune?


I like Michael Buble. That is largely because his producer is David Foster. As far as Rod Stewart is concerned, about the only song of his that I like is "Infatuation." The video to that song was REALLY cool!

[Arya]

Dreamygal, I totally forgot to mention Ann Boleyn (Hellion). Although I thought Hellion was amateurish metal, her vocals are comparable to Rob Halford's of Judas Priest (OK-not quite, nobody can compare to his voice, IMO but for a chick she comes close)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB_mqe6Mwag
(one of the cleaner cuts demonstrating her vocals-ignore the vid)

Live shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHlnHlgvm8M&feature=related

Wish she would do something more with her talents-just with a stronger band behind her (meaning less cheesy metal sounding band).

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Dreamygal, I totally forgot to mention Ann Boleyn (Hellion). Although I thought Hellion was amateurish metal, her vocals are comparable to Rob Halford's of Judas Priest (OK-not quite, nobody can compare to his voice, IMO but for a chick she comes close)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHlnHlgvm8M&feature=related
(one of the cleaner cuts demonstrating her vocals-ignore the vid)
Live shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHlnHlgvm8M&feature=related

Wish she would do something more with her talents-just with a stronger band behind her (meaning less cheesy metal sounding band).


Although Evanescence is not Heavy Metal, I really like hearing the lead female vocalist.....

[Arya]

Although Evanescence is not Heavy Metal, I really like hearing the lead female vocalist.....

Amy Lee's voice is haunting. I liked their first song, Bring me to life, and was hopeful for a new strong metal chk lead singer-but was dissapointed to hear the rest of the CD. It's good, don't get me wrong, but the majority of ballads or slower songs kinda muck it up for me.

[Dreamy]

Dreamygal, I totally forgot to mention Ann Boleyn (Hellion). Although I thought Hellion was amateurish metal, her vocals are comparable to Rob Halford's of Judas Priest (OK-not quite, nobody can compare to his voice, IMO but for a chick she comes close)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHlnHlgvm8M&feature=related
(one of the cleaner cuts demonstrating her vocals-ignore the vid)
Live shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHlnHlgvm8M&feature=related

Wish she would do something more with her talents-just with a stronger band behind her (meaning less cheesy metal sounding band).


Wow! Thanks darling for all the music leads. Will check them out later. She sounds great! Can't wait to take a listen.

[Dreamy]

:lol: :lol: :lol:



Right on! 1 for 1! Toto IV is one of my top favorite albums of all time.




I like Michael Buble. That is largely because his producer is David Foster. As far as Rod Stewart is concerned, about the only song of his that I like is "Infatuation." The video to that song was REALLY cool!

I know. I know. Its my sister Kate you want and have always wanted. Damn that girl!:twisted:

Hey Rado,consider your thread officially hijacked. Better get back here or I am going to be having the Best of Manilow marathon soon.:whistle:

[Dreamy]

Someone told me this was a site for heavy metal.....hmmm i must be in the wrong thread? Sorry to bother you all.

:twisted: It was. It was foreclosed on. So let me guess. You came all the way to Hannity forums looking for a heavy metal thread? Bwahahaha I ain't buying it but thanks for the laughs.:))

[Dreamy]

Yes Mam that is correct! Its unfortunate anyone would think of foreclosing on a metal thread. I'v traveled over many lands and crossed many seas to get here. With that being said i must take this thread at once! When the Big dogs away, the cats sure come out to play....

Roland! Are you yanking my Manilow necklace? Where's Rado?

One question,how is your space bar?

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I know. I know. Its my sister Kate you want and have always wanted. Damn that girl!:twisted:


Kate is indeed quite pretty but also a wee bit on the temperamental side. OK, Kate is temperamental big time!


You will more than suffice..... ;) ;)

[Pudge]

(sorry bout the lack of paragraphs,my computer is on the frits)Pudge, Oh Claymore....hmm,well make no mistake about it "Claymore" needs somethin in his life but i dont think its metal. What he probably needs is that sidewalk that lights up on the Michael Jakson/ Billy Jean video.......and hell while your at it,ya might wanna throw in a disco ball for that "Dreamy" chick:dance:

It's bad form to crack on other forum members, Rado. We're all guests here, and if you want to remain one yourself, I suggest taking the time to read the 'Great American Guide' post here: http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=3629

I'd love another metalhead to discuss music with, so don't go and get yourself kicked off for being rude to other members, please.

As far as the Sean comment goes (and yes i got carried away in the moment) he was talkin about the latest rapper that beat his girlfriend, and he ended the discussion with something like "This just goes along with hip-hop and heavy metal music", and then it cut to the commercial(Thats when my switchboard lit up). Ya kinda had to see it to get what im saying. When i started the thread i was more or less laughin about it in a militant way. I was givin him my "Bow to Metal" ego (which can surface at the drop of a hat)

I can sort of hear how he would say it in my head, but a simple, polite correction and explanation would be better than getting offended and upping the irons on the guy. I think Sean will also find that there are a lot of metal bands whose members lean conservative and who are very supportive of our military (like Slayer, for example). See? That so hard?

This Norwegian black metal subject is outdated i know(has it really been 18 yrs):doh:I'v kinda always had a bitter on going rivalry with the Nor black metal scene,and eventhough most black metal arent in too the "Gaahl" violence it sure seems that Gaahl and several other bands still have a grip on that scene? Its been awhile since i'v checked in on the clown,but im sure he's still livin in that mountain top house in Nor just sippin away on his red wine collection. The crazy thing with these Nor B/ Gaahl metal bands is that they arent in it for shock,or even the music .They started these bands quote["For the sole purpose of erasing every trace of christianity"]. I mean these guys are somethin else! Correct me if im wrong but they(band members,and fans) burnt down 12 or so churches in the area. At the end of the day was there remorse? Nope! quote:["More shoulda burned,and there will be more"]. And all this is just the tip of the ole' iceburg. If anyone wants to be amazed at what a bunch of idiots can do with lots of makeup and a band,and in a sense kinda get away with it.....google "Gaahl documentry" or something similar, its quite remarkable.note:But remember,the majority of metal fans/metal bands consider these clowns morons......right Pudge?:)

I don't think anyone takes them seriously besides themselves and a few confused souls who have nothing better to do in those long Norwegian winters but to grumble about Christianity. It's equally moronic that so many black metal fans latch on to Satanism while repudiating Christianity, but Satan is a being in the Christian faith. To me, claiming allegiance to Satan is an embracing of Christian tenets even if to rebel against them.

As far as "shock rock" and all the other forty or so genre styles of metal goes, i think we can all agree that it is complex and a bit insane! Bands like "Can Corpse" with their album covers have to throw the shock in there for noteriety,i understand that but, WOW! Just when i thought it cant get anyworse than my twisted unexplained nightmares, boy was i wrong:D So when i said Can Corpse is a harsher band than AC/DC the writings on the wall.I think with CC's "artwork" and song titles like "Meathook Sodomy" are a bit over the top compared to AC/DC's "Hells Bells".

Maybe, but my favorite Cannibal Corpse song is ****ed With A Knife. That and the classic Hammer Smashed Face. But, I have to be in the mood for CC because they're just too repetitive for me.

However im gonna change my militant stance on Lamb of God. Just for the simple fact they are amazing guitarist's and they figured out they didnt need a name like "Burn the preist" after all, for sucess.

Wrath is actually not too bad, I picked it up last night (you will also find that metalheads are the most likely fans of music who will BUY the albums they like rather than get them from downloads). So far, it's at least as good as Sacrament, it's got more guitar hooks, and Randy is expanding his vocal capability rather nicely.

I know im old school when it comes to Metal, but i never thought metal died with Dimebag :snooty: I was saying my personal interest with new metal faded away.

You're just not looking in the right spots. Have you heard Wintersun? How about the latest Meshuggah album? Or if the more traditional metal is your bag, how about Firewind, or the new Helloween, Gambling With The Devil- which is really good, by the way? If you like more classic-inspired thrashy stuff with guitar acrobatics, get the newest Trivium album. Or the new Opeth CD, Watershed- like a mix of melodic death metal and Pink Floyd. Stuff is out there just waiting for you to look.

My favorite album is "....and justice for all ".

That's a great album but the absence of Cliff Burton's bass playing really hurts. My favorite Metallica has to be Master of Puppets for that reason. Cliff was the soul of that band, and try as they may, they can't replace him (even though Trujillo is a great bassist in his own right).

I could never understand why the greatest metal band of all time, would throw it all away for "radio exceptance"?! When Metallica came out with the Black album it was pretty bad. But now lookin back,the Black album was a master piece compared to their last 7 or so albums (and yes Lars im talking to you, it was all your falt and you know it. Your the most annoying person when it comes to interviews and you made the worst business decision in metal history......ya shoulda stuck to tennis)!:lol:

I don't know, I can think of a few hundred million reasons why they went for radio play. I don't care much for Black album through Reload. I must be one of the few people who liked St. Anger, and I like Death Magnetic too. Lars does come off as a horse's ass sometimes in interviews and the whole therapy documentary they did was just embarrassing.

[Pudge]

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Ok I am here Mr Metal Man. Now tell me who just loooooooooves Michael Buble!!? :clap:

Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love. Don't care what sub genre it is I love that song. It never gets old and it schooled the bands down the road.

Ok not to interrupt the machismo flavor of the thread but lets talk female metal bands/artist. Do they exist?

Heart?

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts?

Lita Ford?

Nightwish?

Leaves' Eyes <---- not to be confused with ABBA lol

Would love to see you experts discuss the American versus European influences on metal.

Angela Gossow of Arch Enemy.

Tarja Turunen left Nightwish but she's doing her own solo stuff now.

Doro Pesch from Warlock/Doro

Kimberly Goss from Sinergy.

Meiju Enho, keyboardist for Ensiferum and Finntroll.

You can also check out Lumsk and Kivimetsan Druidi, both bands have females who share lead vocals.

[Dreamy]

delete your post roland with the troll's quote

It is against TOS and is bannable to quote a filter bypass

he's been banned anyhow

eta:just delete your whole post..the bypass is still there.

Nice job for a metal head.

[Dreamy]

im trying to delete the post but its not letting me.


well its ok now but to do a delete you:

edit
delete
and under delete options toggle the bullet to delete message
then delete this message

[Dreamy]

Did it work,is it still up wisenhiemers?:)

It was a subpar performance but ok for a new kid learning to delete. And I am the only wisenhiemer present at this time.:twisted:

[Dreamy]

So thats why rob used wisenhiemers instead of the obvious when i first posted that day! This is monitered by a "hitch hike" system! This sight is only notified when needed. There was only one class i cut every day in all of my schooling,and that was Computer science!


On that note...I leave you this thread. Keep the music down.:twisted: