Gunowners: Revolver or semi-auto?

[Beccaria]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

[BillBrown]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

I prefer a revolver for conceal carry.
I have a .357 S&W, Centennial frame.

It'll stop anything smaller than a Gorilla and it won't jam.

I own a couple of GLOCKS, that I like. I have never had a misfire with them, but I know they are capable of it- any semi-automatic is.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

The only revolver I’ve shot other than a service .38 is a Taurus Judge that fires a .45 Colt or a .410 Shotgun shell. It was fun to shoot but, I don’t think I would buy one for myself.

I’m sticking with my .45 auto.

[birddog1]

I like a semi-auto myself but short of all out chaos on the streets I wouldn't feel the least bit under gunned with a SA revolver. Statistically gunfights with criminals don't last very long so what you have in the gun should be more than enough to make the bad guy break off contact.

[RickRhetoric]

Revolvers do not jam. Automatics do. If you're going to rely on automatics -- carry two.

[captusa]

I prefer a revolver for conceal carry.
I have a .357 S&W, Centennial frame.

It'll stop anything smaller than a Gorilla and it won't jam.

I own a couple of GLOCKS, that I like. I have never had a misfire with them, but I know they are capable of it- any semi-automatic is.

IMO anything that a person that can reasonable hit with a pistol will suffer sufficient damage from a regular .38 slug.
The danger of killing an unintended victim with the .357 is too great.
If I used a .357 to shot an intruder in my home through how many adjacent houses would that slug travel ?
I've fired a service .45 but being a bit of a traditionalist I like the .38S&W police special.
It was the standard pistol in the Air-Force and what I qualified on.

[LouC]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

I have had both and prefer the revolvers because I am always far more accurate with them, revolvers too have always felt more comfortable in my hands.

[EnchantedFrog]

Revolver. Simple and dependable.

Ruger Security Six .357 magnum with 6" barrel in stainless steel and oversize target grips.

[BillBrown]

IMO anything that a person that can reasonable hit with a pistol will suffer sufficient damage from a regular .38 slug.
The danger of killing an unintended victim with the .357 is too great.
If I used a .357 to shot an intruder in my home through how many adjacent houses would that slug travel ?
I've fired a service .45 but being a bit of a traditionalist I like the .38S&W police special.
It was the standard pistol in the Air-Force and what I qualified on.

We disagree.
A .38 special is way down the list on stopping power. A .357 is top and a 9mm is right behind it. This is according to the Marshall study of 15 years ago.

Over penetration depends on the type of round used.
I use Glasers. They do not over penetrate.

[James Juno]

You say the Blackhawk is your "carry gun of choice." I'm trying to imagine this obese chunk of steel as a concealed-carry ...

For home defense, I delegate duty to my shotgun. If I'm in the hills where concealment is no issue, it's the .357 Blackhawk all the way baby. I don't conceal-carry but if I did, I'd look at one of those tiny .357 S&W double-action revolvers. I bet they're knuckle-busters though.

[supreme_war_Pig]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

Revolvers. Just cuz. I love the S&W Airweight series. (Yeah, yeah, I know we're supposed to boycott S&W, but I really like those pistols)

[drylok]

Revolver no doubt is the better choice for carry. No double safetly, no jams, just squeeze the trigger and it goes bang.

I'm a fan and defender of all guns though!

[BillBrown]

Revolvers. Just cuz. I love the S&W Airweight series. (Yeah, yeah, I know we're supposed to boycott S&W, but I really like those pistols)

The Smith owners we were supposed to boycott are gone.
They got bought out by the good guys.

[ALBOB2]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

I'm sorry, but I have to take issue with one of your statements. You can draw, **** and fire a single action almost as fast as you can draw, rack the slide and fire a semi-auto. My question is, why on Earth are you racking the slide on the semi-auto? As far as I'm concerned the only semi-auto I'd carry is a form of the 1911 and they were designed to be carried cocked and locked, no racking of the slide needed.

As to my choice; both. I carry either a Para Odnance P-12 in .45 ACP or a Ruger SP-101 in .357 Magnum, depending on the situation. Why choose just one when you can have both?

[rob_b52]

Though I have never fired a handgun, I find these threads quite informative in case someday I do decide to buy one. I learn lots.

I have fired rifles (30-30 and .22) and even a few shotguns, but never a handgun.

[Samm]

I prefer revolvers, but I do not really like or own any small revolvers that are appropriate for concealed carry.

One has to wonder how large a person would have to be to be able to carry a Blackhawk concealed. :think:

[drylok]

Though I have never fired a handgun, I find these threads quite informative in case someday I do decide to buy one. I learn lots.

I have fired rifles (30-30 and .22) and even a few shotguns, but never a handgun.

I was just wondering are you a fence sitter in regards to 2A issues?

[AeroEngineer]

Revolver, you'll never have to worry about it failing when you need it.

[CaptPops]

I used to be revolver all the way, but now I am semi auto all the way. Of course it is your personal preference. As you travel around the country, look at what the different law enforcement are carrying. They are no longer worried about a semi auto jamming.

[khigh]

I carry a revolver and a Sig Sauer Mosquito (ankle holster). I like the revolver, but I really need to find a smaller one. I'm looking at the Taurus model 605 .357 Mag in Blue Steel. The hammer on a lot of revolvers is too hard for me to reach my thumb up and **** it. I have really tiny hands though, so I don't know if that would be a problem for you.

[jungulator]

IMO anything that a person that can reasonable hit with a pistol will suffer sufficient damage from a regular .38 slug.
The danger of killing an unintended victim with the .357 is too great.
If I used a .357 to shot an intruder in my home through how many adjacent houses would that slug travel ?
I've fired a service .45 but being a bit of a traditionalist I like the .38S&W police special.
It was the standard pistol in the Air-Force and what I qualified on.

Use a frangible or hollow point round with the .357 and you won't have that problem. Hit them anywhere in the chest and they're deader than hell.

[jungulator]

I carry a revolver and a Sig Sauer Mosquito (ankle holster). I like the revolver, but I really need to find a smaller one. I'm looking at the Taurus model 605 .357 Mag in Blue Steel. The hammer on a lot of revolvers is too hard for me to reach my thumb up and **** it. I have really tiny hands though, so I don't know if that would be a problem for you.

I have a 605 .357. It's not a bad pistol, but you will want to replace the stock grip and get something that will fit your hand a little better. I fired it once with the stock grip, and being unable to get my whole hand firmly on the grip (it was too short), it damn near jumped out of my hand. On top of that with the 2" barrel, I'm lucky to hit anything further than 15 feet away. But for all intents and purposes, it's not bad.

P.S. It kicks like a son of a bitch.

[khigh]

I have a 605 .357. It's not a bad pistol, but you will want to replace the stock grip and get something that will fit your hand a little better. I fired it once with the stock grip, and being unable to get my whole hand firmly on the grip (it was too short), it damn near jumped out of my hand. On top of that with the 2" barrel, I'm lucky to hit anything further than 15 feet away. But for all intents and purposes, it's not bad.

P.S. It kicks like a son of a bitch.

I might go try one out before I buy it. I want something that can hit someone that isn't sitting on top of me if it came down to needing to use a weapon.

The kick probably wouldn't bother me, but I want something with range and accuracy where I can actually reach the hammer. They just don't make enough weapons for conceal for women.

[ConstitutionHugger]

Revolvers. Just cuz. I love the S&W Airweight series. (Yeah, yeah, I know we're supposed to boycott S&W, but I really like those pistols)

I bought my wife a S&W airweight in 38 Spcl for her to carry when she turns 21 in May, We both love it. I occasionally carry it when i can't fing the holster for my usual carry gun (1911 Gov't model) or can't carry that gun due to clothing reasons or just pure laziness.

[ConstitutionHugger]

I might go try one out before I buy it. I want something that can hit someone that isn't sitting on top of me if it came down to needing to use a weapon.

The kick probably wouldn't bother me, but I want something with range and accuracy where I can actually reach the hammer. They just don't make enough weapons for conceal for women.


Try the S&W airweight Bodyguard edition it is DA/SA and has a shrouded hammer, so you get the best of both worlds (exposed hammer and "hammerless")
From the description you have given of yourself you sound like you are the same size as my wife (5'3" 115-125lbs) And it suits and fits her fine

[BillBrown]

I might go try one out before I buy it. I want something that can hit someone that isn't sitting on top of me if it came down to needing to use a weapon.

The kick probably wouldn't bother me, but I want something with range and accuracy where I can actually reach the hammer. They just don't make enough weapons for conceal for women.

Why do you want to reach the hammer?

That's an extra step that will cost you time.

[JohnRandolph]

Ford? Chevy? Dodge?

Find what is comfortable for you, not what is comfortable for somebody else. Then become proficient, very proficient.

[Antrel]

If you're a decent shot under pressure and are comfortable with it, use the revolver. If reliability is holding you back from a pistol, just buy a glock.

[rob_b52]

I was just wondering are you a fence sitter in regards to 2A issues?

no.... I get my strong pro 2A beliefs from my father who bought me a .410 for my thirteenth birthday so he could take me deer hunting with him every year. I used to hunt rabbit too. My dad was a big moose hunter. he filled out his application for a moose permit every year. Many in my family are pro 2A, even though they don't hunt.

I do not own a handgun. I own a .22 a 30-30 a .410 and a 12 guage. I keep these weapons at my dad's house because he has a real nice gun cabinet that locks and has trigger locks on them too.

I would own a handgun of my own, but if I get one, its gonna be for the right reasons, not because I want to "look cool" or anything. Besides, nobody would rob me because I am dirt poor. i think, in my opinion, me owning a handgun is kinda superflous.

[drylok]

no.... I get my strong pro 2A beliefs from my father who bought me a .410 for my thirteenth birthday so he could take me deer hunting with him every year. I used to hunt rabbit too. My dad was a big moose hunter. he filled out his application for a moose permit every year. Many in my family are pro 2A, even though they don't hunt.

I do not own a handgun. I own a .22 a 30-30 a .410 and a 12 guage. I keep these weapons at my dad's house because he has a real nice gun cabinet that locks and has trigger locks on them too.

I would own a handgun of my own, but if I get one, its gonna be for the right reasons, not because I want to "look cool" or anything. Besides, nobody would rob me because I am dirt poor. i think, in my opinion, me owning a handgun is kinda superflous.

You lock up your guns and put trigger locks on them???
What do you have for home defense?

[drylok]

I might go try one out before I buy it. I want something that can hit someone that isn't sitting on top of me if it came down to needing to use a weapon.

The kick probably wouldn't bother me, but I want something with range and accuracy where I can actually reach the hammer. They just don't make enough weapons for conceal for women.

Consider a compact .45 they're cute. That's what I'm going with cause that's the only thing that's comfortable to me for cc. I'm small in stature too.

[Claymore]

It depends on what I'm wearing, where I'm at, and time of year.
Winter with coat-.45 Colt Auto
Summer with untucked shirt- .380 Llama auto
Road trip- .357 S&W Model 66 in the center compartment

[rob_b52]

You lock up your guns and put trigger locks on them???
What do you have for home defense?

no.... I keep them at my father's house. he lives in the next town over where I grew up. He kept the guns in his cabinet with locks and trigger locks. He died a year ago feb 18.

home defense? kinda superflous, like I said. I am pretty poor and live in a run down dump of a mobile home. I have nothing of value beyond the beer in the fridge. There really isn't anything to kill me for. That and I am more likely to shoot myself out of stupidity or depression.

What would I do if somebody did invade my home with a gun? proballee give them what they want and hope I dont end up dead.

If I had somebody who could or would teach me how to shoot and how to properly take care of such a weapon, i would buy one. But, sadly, I got nothin.

[khigh]

Consider a compact .45 they're cute. That's what I'm going with cause that's the only thing that's comfortable to me for cc. I'm small in stature too.

That's probably what I am going to get. I really like the Civil War era revolvers, but they aren't good for CC from what I can find, though they would go with what I wear a lot of the time. It's just hard to wear a Glock when you are wearing a corset and velvet skirt. I normally just wear an ankle holster during the day and when Oklahoma passes their open carry law, I will probably get the ivory handled Colt that I have been staring at for the longest time.

[khigh]

no.... I keep them at my father's house. he lives in the next town over where I grew up. He kept the guns in his cabinet with locks and trigger locks. He died a year ago feb 18.

home defense? kinda superflous, like I said. I am pretty poor and live in a run down dump of a mobile home. I have nothing of value beyond the beer in the fridge. There really isn't anything to kill me for. That and I am more likely to shoot myself out of stupidity or depression.

What would I do if somebody did invade my home with a gun? proballee give them what they want and hope I dont end up dead.

If I had somebody who could or would teach me how to shoot and how to properly take care of such a weapon, i would buy one. But, sadly, I got nothin.

Is there a military base near you? That's where I go to shoot and they usually have someone there that will help you get proficient with any weapon you want to practice on. I usually have several people asking me if I want help, but I usually turn them down.

Either that or if you have some land you can go to, just set up some barrels and plink away at them. We do that a lot, just make sure you aren't in a dry spell. That causes fires easily with hot brass falling around you. We caught the farm land on fire last year because of the dry grass and took out about 100 acres.

[Samm]

It depends on what I'm wearing, where I'm at, and time of year.
Winter with coat-.45 Colt Auto
Summer with untucked shirt- .380 Llama auto
Road trip- .357 S&W Model 66 in the center compartment

:think: Lets see... best time to accost Claymore... yeah... summer. :D

[thr3]

A question for the gun owners. How much practice does one have to do in order to have a reasonable chance of hitting an intruder in your home with a handgun?

[jungulator]

Depends on the firearm and how close you are to him. Just practice until you can hit center mass every time.

[chip]

.45 Semi Auto on me at all times where legal.

[Samm]

A question for the gun owners. How much practice does one have to do in order to have a reasonable chance of hitting an intruder in your home with a handgun?

If you can swing a hammer you can swing a handgun. :whistle:

Now if you want to shoot the intruder from say 25 to 50 feet away, that may require expending half a dozen or so boxes of ammo at the range. ;)

Word of advice, don't try to shoot more than about 100 rounds at a time; practice beyond that point tends to be non-productive. What I usually do is shoot 100 rounds then finish off my hour (that I have paid for) shooting my 22 cal Buckmark. You get the same rote memory from shooting the rim-fire as you do with the center-fire; you just don't gain familiarity with the specific gun that fires the larger round. Besides, after shooting a large pistol, the 22 is a real pleasure.

[historynut]

While I like the .45ACP a revolver fire can fire a bigger bullet, can fire as fast as a semi-auto and with a speed loader can be reloaded as fast as a semi-auto.
So you have less bullets but they are bigger. Depends on how many shots you think you will need and what you will be shooting.

[drylok]

If I had somebody who could or would teach me how to shoot and how to properly take care of such a weapon, i would buy one. But, sadly, I got nothin.

If I find someone in your area would you keep your word on that?

[rob_b52]

If I find someone in your area would you keep your word on that?

yeah, i would love to go to a shooting range and learn 1. safety and 2 maintenance. that would be great!!

I am sure I could find someone if I looked into it and was motivated enough. I am gonna do some googling tonight too...

[Spaceman Spiff]

I like semi-autos best, but I shoot a revolver when I actually want to hit something.

[sgtmac_46]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you? I prefer semi-auto, but ultimately skill at arms is more important than particular choice of equipment. The ability to hit your target under stress is more important than the distinction between revolver and semi-auto.

As to single action revolver, though, if you're looking for a target gun, it's fine. If you're looking for a serious self-defense weapon there are better choices than single action revolver IMHO......though, if it's what you brought, a Ruger Blackhawk .357 magnum will certainly get the job done.




The reality is that modern quality firearms, both semi-auto and revolver, are very reliable when properly maintained, and both have a much greater degree of inherent accuracy than the vast majority of shooters are capable of attaining anyway.......so most folks claiming a revolver is more accurate than a semi-auto are just whistling in the wind, because most folks aren't remotely capable of shooting up to the accuracy potential of either one.

[consusa]

.45 gets it done. 9mm will do it also - most of the time. But I know of cases where a person hit with multiple 9mm rounds kept shooting, even when some of those hits should have been fatal. .45, it's like getting hit with a Mack truck.

[ConstitutionHugger]

While I like the .45ACP a revolver fire can fire a bigger bullet, can fire as fast as a semi-auto and with a speed loader can be reloaded as fast as a semi-auto.
So you have less bullets but they are bigger. Depends on how many shots you think you will need and what you will be shooting.

you can get a 45ACP revolver that uses half moon clips and get best of both worlds

[Samm]

.45 gets it done. 9mm will do it also - most of the time. But I know of cases where a person hit with multiple 9mm rounds kept shooting, even when some of those hits should have been fatal. .45, it's like getting hit with a Mack truck.

Moral of that story: Ball ammunition is not for personal defense.

[leechstomper]

Used to have a S&W mod 29 .44 with a 10" barrel. Not very practical for concealed carry but darn it sure gave you a fine silhouette when you were standing on the front porch with it raised. Now have a browning 9mm for nightstand use.

Next house gun is going to be a Marlin carbine in .410 - shoots slugs too. If you can't hit someone with it loaded slug/shot/slug/shot, you'll scare them to death. Lever action is virtually as fast as a dbl action pistol also. You can also reload without putting the gun out of commision temporarily

[ConstitutionHugger]

Moral of that story: Ball ammunition is not for personal defense.

Yup!!!
45ACP Ball ammo = Big Brick of lead, garunteed to knock perp down
big hole
45ACP Hollow point ammo = big brick of lead, makes big hole going in and bigger hole coming out (if it comes out) garunteed to knock perp down and most likely won't get back up.

go with 45, or bigger if possible.

[MarkyS]

I go for the semi-auto - big clips means a lot of production before reloading.

M

[CID_0687]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?
Of the three handguns I own, one is a semi automatic, the other two are revolvers.

I inherited them all from my dad....The oldest being a Colt 44/40 from 1872, this was my great great grandfather's gun, and is still in fine working order.

I have a S&W police issue 38 from the 1930s...this gun is a bit cumbersome...not a joy to fire.

But my personal favorite is the H&K 4...semi automatic...four interchangeable barrels; 22,25,32 and .380...I keep the .380 in it. It's lightweight..easily concealed, and fires like a dream.

[ThrowCop]

A question for the gun owners. How much practice does one have to do in order to have a reasonable chance of hitting an intruder in your home with a handgun?Go with a pump-action shutgun. The only thing you will have to hit after the, "clack-clack" is the kitchen...

to get some paper towels to clean up the trail of urine the intruder leaked out as he got the heck out of our house...

[CID_0687]

Go with a pump-action shutgun. The only thing you will have to hit after the, "clack-clack" is the kitchen...

to get some paper towels to clean up the trail of urine the intruder leaked out as he got the heck out of our house...
Subtle, yet effective.

[leechstomper]

Go with a pump-action shutgun. The only thing you will have to hit after the, "clack-clack" is the kitchen...

to get some paper towels to clean up the trail of urine the intruder leaked out as he got the heck out of our house...
There is nothing like the sound of "jacking one home".

[birddog1]

Go with a pump-action shutgun. The only thing you will have to hit after the, "clack-clack" is the kitchen...

to get some paper towels to clean up the trail of urine the intruder leaked out as he got the heck out of our house...

Somebody breaks in my house with me and my family home and the only sound they are likely to hear out of my shotgun, if they are lucky, is the safety clicking off before I pull the trigger. I keep mine fully loaded with a round in the chamber. If someone breaks in I am not even going to attempt to take a chance scaring them off.

[Alamoman]

Revolvers do not jam. Automatics do. If you're going to rely on automatics -- carry two.
If you maintain a SA, the chances of jamming are very very slim. Like the other Glock owner, I've never had a jam and I prefer having more ammo available in a shorter period of time.

[BillBrown]

Somebody breaks in my house with me and my family home and the only sound they are likely to hear out of my shotgun, if they are lucky, is the safety clicking off before I pull the trigger. I keep mine fully loaded with a round in the chamber. If someone breaks in I am not even going to attempt to take a chance scaring them off.

I agree with you.

One of the biggest errors I see on these threads is the notion of using a firearm to scare away an intruder.

1. It's very apt to get you shot, if he doesn't scare and shoots, instead.

2. If you do scare him away, he's free to come back.

[EdWood]

I live in midtown atlanta, and a little south east of me there's a huge crime wave where the thugs are trying to "un-gentrify" the neighborhood. Apparrently the cops are even saying to 'shoot first'. I've got a female friend who lives with another femaile in a house down there. She's never held a gun, but she's ready for me to teach her how to use my shotgun.

there's a 99% chance she'll never need to use it, but i'd hate to hear something bad happened to the two of them when they could have defended themselves against an invader.

[leechstomper]

I live in midtown atlanta, and a little south east of me there's a huge crime wave where the thugs are trying to "un-gentrify" the neighborhood. Apparrently the cops are even saying to 'shoot first'. I've got a female friend who lives with another femaile in a house down there. She's never held a gun, but she's ready for me to teach her how to use my shotgun.

there's a 99% chance she'll never need to use it, but i'd hate to hear something bad happened to the two of them when they could have defended themselves against an invader.
Even AFTER you empty your shotgun or carbine, they work as a mighty fine club.

[Claymore]

:think: Lets see... best time to accost Claymore... yeah... summer. :D


When it's really hot, I wear a derriger tucked into the front of my Speedo. It keeps most people away,,, far, far, away.







I could find a picture for you.:))
"Is that a .44 magnum or are you just happy to see me"

[ConstitutionHugger]

I live in midtown atlanta, and a little south east of me there's a huge crime wave where the thugs are trying to "un-gentrify" the neighborhood. Apparrently the cops are even saying to 'shoot first'. I've got a female friend who lives with another femaile in a house down there. She's never held a gun, but she's ready for me to teach her how to use my shotgun.

there's a 99% chance she'll never need to use it, but i'd hate to hear something bad happened to the two of them when they could have defended themselves against an invader.

That is what the cops where i grew up have always said. "shoot first, shoot to kill, then call us, we will do the paperwork"
Not sure why, but for some reason where i grew up crime is almost 0 and (home) break-ins, robberies, etc.. happen at a rate of about 1 or less per year:think:.

the only breakin's that happen are un occupied businesses, with that exception of 1 or less per year

[ConstitutionHugger]

Somebody breaks in my house with me and my family home and the only sound they are likely to hear out of my shotgun, if they are lucky, is the safety clicking off before I pull the trigger. I keep mine fully loaded with a round in the chamber. If someone breaks in I am not even going to attempt to take a chance scaring them off.

Same here. It'll either be a 12ga loaded with 3in magnum 000 buckshot or my handy dandy 1911 firing a 230gr hydrashock. In a pinch i might would use one of the other 15 or so guns that are within easy grabbing distance

In any case, I doubt that they'll ever get over it ;)

[Samm]

When it's really hot, I wear a derriger tucked into the front of my Speedo. It keeps most people away,,, far, far, away.

:)) Reminds me of the biker's codpiece in "From Dusk till Dawn." ;)


And it gives me an idea for a whole new line of personal protection weapons. :whistle:



I could find a picture for you.:))

"Is that a .44 magnum or are you just happy to see me"

Don't bother... PLEASE! :eek:

[Lady Liberty]

Consider a compact .45 they're cute. That's what I'm going with cause that's the only thing that's comfortable to me for cc. I'm small in stature too.

Cute?
A .45 is beeeauutiful!
;)

[chip]

Cute?
A .45 is beeeauutiful!
;)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/ChipV/DSC02368.jpg

[Lady Liberty]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/ChipV/DSC02368.jpg


:D
A man after my own heart.

[ALBOB2]

Yup!!!
45ACP Ball ammo = Big Brick of lead, garunteed to knock perp down
big hole
45ACP Hollow point ammo = big brick of lead, makes big hole going in and bigger hole coming out (if it comes out) garunteed to knock perp down and most likely won't get back up.

go with 45, or bigger if possible.


That "IF POSSIBLE" is a pretty important caveate. I've always said the best self defense caliber is the one you can fire accurately. A hit with a .22 still beats a miss with a .44

I feel the same way about the debate between revolver and semi-auto; choose the one you shoot the best.

[birddog1]

Same here. It'll either be a 12ga loaded with 3in magnum 000 buckshot or my handy dandy 1911 firing a 230gr hydrashock. In a pinch i might would use one of the other 15 or so guns that are within easy grabbing distance

In any case, I doubt that they'll ever get over it ;)

My first round is a 3.5" 00 Buckshot, after that it alternates between 3" Deerslugs and 3" 00 Buckshot.

[ConstitutionHugger]

That "IF POSSIBLE" is a pretty important caveate. I've always said the best self defense caliber is the one you can fire accurately. A hit with a .22 still beats a miss with a .44

I feel the same way about the debate between revolver and semi-auto; choose the one you shoot the best.

you are right, but the thing that baffles me is that my beautiful little wife shoots my 1911 45acp Govt model better than she does my ruger P95 9mm. If Icould afford one I'd have me one of those 50 cal handguns like a 500 S&W mag snubby or a 50AE Desert Eagle

[chip]

you are right, but the thing that baffles me is that my beautiful little wife shoots my 1911 45acp Govt model better than she does my ruger P95 9mm. If Icould afford one I'd have me one of those 50 cal handguns like a 500 S&W mag snubby or a 50AE Desert Eagle


My wifes the same way with my .40 and my .380

The bigger guns kick more straight back while the smaller seem to have more muzzle flip. My wife would stove pipe my .380 all the time because her wrists werent strong enough.

[ALBOB2]

you are right, but the thing that baffles me is that my beautiful little wife shoots my 1911 45acp Govt model better than she does my ruger P95 9mm. If Icould afford one I'd have me one of those 50 cal handguns like a 500 S&W mag snubby or a 50AE Desert Eagle


Dude, using "baffle" and "wife" in the same sentence is redundant. :rolleyes:

Here's how it works in my house. I go out and get the most beautiful gun in the world; the finish I want, the grips I want, functions flawlessly, shoots sub MOA with anything you feed it. My wife takes a look at it and says, "Ooooo, that's pretty." She then proceeds to shoot it and instantly falls in love with it. Then SOMEHOW it magically becomes HER gun. How does that happen??? :wall: The only good part of that entire scenario is that she can't give me too much **** when I then have to go out and buy another one.

[ConstitutionHugger]

My wifes the same way with my .40 and my .380

The bigger guns kick more straight back while the smaller seem to have more muzzle flip. My wife would stove pipe my .380 all the time because her wrists werent strong enough.

Normally I would agree but both are full size "duty" pistols. If it were to be a compact vs a full size then it wouldn t have me confused

[ConstitutionHugger]

Dude, using "baffle" and "wife" in the same sentence is redundant. :rolleyes:

Here's how it works in my house. I go out and get the most beautiful gun in the world; the finish I want, the grips I want, functions flawlessly, shoots sub MOA with anything you feed it. My wife takes a look at it and says, "Ooooo, that's pretty." She then proceeds to shoot it and instantly falls in love with it. Then SOMEHOW it magically becomes HER gun. How does that happen??? :wall: The only good part of that entire scenario is that she can't give me too much **** when I then have to go out and buy another one.

I guess you can say i have my wife "trained" (for lack of a better phrase) She likes my guns but they are my guns and she has her guns. Now if she wants a gun I tell her that we can go load up and she can go pick out whichever gun she wants. Which usually works out good for both of us since teh M4 she wanted that i bought for her I use it more than she does and because of the 38 S&W airweight that I bought her as an early 21st b-day present i got a new progresive reloading press to keep up with our shooting habits instead of my old single stage hand press.

And since i am quoting Mr. Boobies, i gotta say "boobies, boobies, boobies":)):whistle:;)

Hopefully I wont get a TO for that :pray::pray::pray:

[khigh]

I guess you can say i have my wife "trained" (for lack of a better phrase) She likes my guns but they are my guns and she has her guns. Now if she wants a gun I tell her that we can go load up and she can go pick out whichever gun she wants. Which usually works out good for both of us since teh M4 she wanted that i bought for her I use it more than she does and because of the 38 S&W airweight that I bought her as an early 21st b-day present i got a new progresive reloading press to keep up with our shooting habits instead of my old single stage hand press.

And since i am quoting Mr. Boobies, i gotta say "boobies, boobies, boobies":)):whistle:;)

Hopefully I wont get a TO for that :pray::pray::pray:

It's opposite for us. I have my weapons and he has his one- the M16-A2 service rifle he uses at work. Then again, he didn't grow up around weapons and hasn't experienced the bliss of picking out a new handgun or rifle and ammo. He does go to the firing range with me, but doesn't get anything out of it.

Maybe the Field Artillery and the big guns took all the fun out of it for him. I guess a .38 doesn't have the same kick as a Paladin.

[ALBOB2]

i got a new progresive reloading press

Oh PLEASE. You can't just throw a statement out like that without specifics. What'd ya get???


And since i am quoting Mr. Boobies, i gotta say "boobies, boobies, boobies":)):whistle:;)

Hopefully I wont get a TO for that :pray::pray::pray:

Bravo. You obviously learned from a master. :clap:

[ALBOB2]

It's opposite for us. I have my weapons and he has his one..................



Marry me. :pray:

[ConstitutionHugger]

Oh PLEASE. You can't just throw a statement out like that without specifics. What'd ya get???

If you are talkin about the press it is a lee pro 1000 progressive not their top of the line since they don't have shellplates for the majority of rifle calibers it works fine for me since the only rifle i shoot hi volume with is 5.56/223. My 30-30 and -06 i still use my old trusty lee hand press for


Bravo. You obviously learned from a master. :clap:I appreciate it ................ Master of booby references.
I will pass you on that one day

[ConstitutionHugger]

Marry me. :pray:


Little too late for that, unless ya'll are into Poligamy ;)

[ALBOB2]

If you are talkin about the press it is a lee pro 1000 progressive not their top of the line since they don't have shellplates for the majority of rifle calibers it works fine for me since the only rifle i shoot hi volume with is 5.56/223. My 30-30 and -06 i still use my old trusty lee hand press for


I appreciate it ................ Master of booby references.
I will pass you on that one day


Lee makes great stuff. My very first was a Lee Turret and it's still in action. I now have a Dillon XL650 for the high volume work, but for small batches the Lee still can't be beat.































BOOBIES! :D

[ConstitutionHugger]

Lee makes great stuff. My very first was a Lee Turret and it's still in action. I now have a Dillon XL650 for the high volume work, but for small batches the Lee still can't be beat.
...
BOOBIES! :D

I really enjoy it and once you get it set up and adjusted (30min to hour job) I put out about 200rds of 38spcl in about an hour, I was checking every few cases and could've had a higher output but the mount that i "rigged up" ain't the most stable or sturdy. I'll certainly update you on the output once i set it up properly in my shop and mount it on the angle iron stand that my bro-in-law built me

[dosmo66]

Now that Obama and princess Pelosi are again talking about gun legislation, I'm thinking of buying a hand gun for self defense (I live where it is legal to carry one concealed). The gun shops and online sites are pretty much sold out, so I think others perhaps have the same thing in mind.

I'm a small female who hasn't shot since her father bought her a 12/10 over and under as a teen (100 yrs. ago) Revolvers always seemed too heavy to hold steady. I'd probably need two hands. But since I will only get a gun by ordering in advance...does anybody want to suggest a small light and simple pistol that might be good for me. I don't expect to really use it, but want one that I can, if I need to.

[Old Goat]

Now that Obama and princess Pelosi are again talking about gun legislation, I'm thinking of buying a hand gun for self defense (I live where it is legal to carry one concealed). The gun shops and online sites are pretty much sold out, so I think others perhaps have the same thing in mind.

I'm a small female who hasn't shot since her father bought her a 12/10 over and under as a teen (100 yrs. ago) Revolvers always seemed too heavy to hold steady. I'd probably need two hands. But since I will only get a gun by ordering in advance...does anybody want to suggest a small light and simple pistol that might be good for me. I don't expect to really use it, but want one that I can, if I need to.

You really need to go to a range where you can rent some weapons and perhaps even take a class. With the high cost of guns now, you want to make sure what you get is what feels right for you.

[TheFallGuy]

Seriously, do we have to choose?

They've both got pros and cons. Love 'em both.

[sgtmac_46]

Now that Obama and princess Pelosi are again talking about gun legislation, I'm thinking of buying a hand gun for self defense (I live where it is legal to carry one concealed). The gun shops and online sites are pretty much sold out, so I think others perhaps have the same thing in mind.

I'm a small female who hasn't shot since her father bought her a 12/10 over and under as a teen (100 yrs. ago) Revolvers always seemed too heavy to hold steady. I'd probably need two hands. But since I will only get a gun by ordering in advance...does anybody want to suggest a small light and simple pistol that might be good for me. I don't expect to really use it, but want one that I can, if I need to.

On the revolver side, a Smith and Wesson small frame, like a Lady Smith might be a good choice, http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=15704&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15703&top_category=15703

On the semi-auto front, there are many choices available that would serve your purpose quite well.

A GLOCK 19 or 26 would be an excellent choice.
http://www.glock.com/english/glock19.htm
http://www.glock.com/english/glock26.htm

A SIG 9mm would also be a good choice.
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=9&productid=71
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=8&productid=63

All would serve the purpose, and are uber-reliable......ultimately the choices is one of comfort and preference, so long as your choice comes from a quality manufacturer. A list of good quality manufacturers.

GLOCK
Springfield Armory
Sigarms
Beretta
Smith and Wesson
Heckler and Koch
Colt
Kahr Arms
Browning
Para-Ordinance
Taurus
Ruger
Kimber


Any firearm from this list is considered a quality firearm, and should provide reliable performance with suitable maintenance. While not an absolutely complete list, it should provide all the choices you need. Check their company websites and you can view the different models and options offered by those companies.

If a gun is manufactured by a company not on that list, you should investigate it's quality. Other manufactures, such as Wilson, Ed Brown, Nighthawk, are extremely high quality, but are of a custom class who's cost is likely higher than what folks are looking for in a basic self-defense handgun.

Hope that helps.

[dosmo66]

Thanks Old Goat and Sgtmac_46! Very helpful suggestions.

[khigh]

Now that Obama and princess Pelosi are again talking about gun legislation, I'm thinking of buying a hand gun for self defense (I live where it is legal to carry one concealed). The gun shops and online sites are pretty much sold out, so I think others perhaps have the same thing in mind.

I'm a small female who hasn't shot since her father bought her a 12/10 over and under as a teen (100 yrs. ago) Revolvers always seemed too heavy to hold steady. I'd probably need two hands. But since I will only get a gun by ordering in advance...does anybody want to suggest a small light and simple pistol that might be good for me. I don't expect to really use it, but want one that I can, if I need to.

I am also a small female and my favorite handgun so far is the Sig Sauer Mosquito with the pink grips. Fits great in my hand and pretty much no kickback. It is a small caliber, however, so if you want something with more punch, it probably is not for you.

[Peva]

Oh please! All this talk of guns and stuff is scaring me. Please stop!

Just kidding. :D

[ConstitutionHugger]

Originally Posted by dosmo66 http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=49941791#post49941791)
Now that Obama and princess Pelosi are again talking about gun legislation, I'm thinking of buying a hand gun for self defense (I live where it is legal to carry one concealed). The gun shops and online sites are pretty much sold out, so I think others perhaps have the same thing in mind.

I'm a small female who hasn't shot since her father bought her a 12/10 over and under as a teen (100 yrs. ago) Revolvers always seemed too heavy to hold steady. I'd probably need two hands. But since I will only get a gun by ordering in advance...does anybody want to suggest a small light and simple pistol that might be good for me. I don't expect to really use it, but want one that I can, if I need to.


Why Choose? Get 2 models of each, especially one of thoes evil hi-cap semi autos. If you don't like them you can always sell them at a premium once CHairman Obumma and Princese Pelosi get the bans they want.
Guns are an investment that NEVER loses it's value so long as it is in working order.

[BeatlesSteve]

Why Choose? Get 2 models of each, especially one of thoes evil hi-cap semi autos. If you don't like them you can always sell them at a premium once CHairman Obumma and Princese Pelosi get the bans they want.
Guns are an investment that NEVER loses it's value so long as it is in working order.

What is everyone's opinion of a Ruger GP100 revolver for a novice and for home defense?

[Samm]

I am also a small female and my favorite handgun so far is the Sig Sauer Mosquito with the pink grips. Fits great in my hand and pretty much no kickback. It is a small caliber, however, so if you want something with more punch, it probably is not for you.

Here is a good close quarters revolver with "more punch." ;)

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/14e/c/AAAAAq7lDx4AAAAAAU7IHw.jpg

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=598&category=Revolver

[ConstitutionHugger]

Here is a good close quarters revolver with "more punch." ;)

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/14e/c/AAAAAq7lDx4AAAAAAU7IHw.jpg

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=598&category=Revolver

Lotsa punch indeed but How would you carry it concealed? ;)

[ConstitutionHugger]

Here is a good close quarters revolver with "more punch." ;)



http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=598&category=Revolver

That's nice but i would like even more punch, like this or the semi auto version:
http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg

http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg

[Samm]

Lotsa punch indeed but How would you carry it concealed? ;)

Who cares? ;)

[Samm]

That's nice but i would like even more punch, like this or the semi auto version:
http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg

http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg

Yes indeed!

[sgtmac_46]

What is everyone's opinion of a Ruger GP100 revolver for a novice and for home defense? It's an excellent handgun, and serves the purpose of home defense and CCW quite well, with the proper barrel length. Can't go wrong with .357 Magnum.

[sgtmac_46]

That's nice but i would like even more punch, like this or the semi auto version:
http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg

http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg For home defense I always recommend that there's no substitute for 12 gauge......but that gun needs a stock.

[Samm]

For home defense I always recommend that there's no substitute for 12 gauge......but that gun needs a stock.

What for? You want to knock someone in the teeth with it? :eh:

[sgtmac_46]

What for? You want to knock someone in the teeth with it? :eh: I prefer a stable shooting platform over looking cool. ;)

And if I was going to knock someone in the teeth with it, i'd just run the barrel through their teeth, rather than risk ruining a perfectly good buttstock! :))

[BeatlesSteve]

It's an excellent handgun, and serves the purpose of home defense and CCW quite well, with the proper barrel length. Can't go wrong with .357 Magnum.

What are your thoughts on a S&W Model 19 .357 used for $390?

I am going to the gun shop today to look at it. I've read a lot of good things about that revolver but also read about problems firing .357 rounds out of it. I would appreciate your opinion as I am a novice at all of this.

[Samm]

What are your thoughts on a S&W Model 19 .357 used for $390?

I am going to the gun shop today to look at it. I've read a lot of good things about that revolver but also read about problems firing .357 rounds out of it. I would appreciate your opinion as I am a novice at all of this.

There is nothing wrong with a model 19.

http://www.gunblast.com/Butch_SW-Model19.htm

If it is in good condition, the price is fair. Buy it; you are not getting married to it... you can always sell it if you don't like it.

[ConstitutionHugger]

sgtmac, Would you still consider the 12 gauge standard issue for defense eventhough one may have family members living in the house? Do you think a shotgun with less "punch" like the 20 gauge, ideal for home invasions?

Really depands on the load you use.
Turkey loads would work great since they have punch close to buckshot but a little less overpenetration concern

[BeatlesSteve]

There is nothing wrong with a model 19.

http://www.gunblast.com/Butch_SW-Model19.htm

If it is in good condition, the price is fair. Buy it; you are not getting married to it... you can always sell it if you don't like it.

I ended up buying a Ruger SP101 .38 special for $350.00.

I really liked it, I would like to hear your thoughts on a .38 special.

I have read differing opinions. Also, for home defense what would be the best ammunition with regards to stopping power?

[BillBrown]

I ended up buying a Ruger SP101 .38 special for $350.00.

I really liked it, I would like to hear your thoughts on a .38 special.

I have read differing opinions. Also, for home defense what would be the best ammunition with regards to stopping power?

I think they are a little light on stopping power.
According to the Marshall study the most effective .38 Special round is the Federal 129 gr. Hydra- Shok.

It had a 65%, one shot stop rating in actual street shootings.

If it is rated for .38 +P it is more effective.
The most effective round is the Remington 125 gr. Golden Saber. It rated 80%.

Contrast this with the .357 Magnum at 96%.

Here is the source of the ratings.
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=7&Weight=All

[Samm]

sgtmac, Would you still consider the 12 gauge standard issue for defense eventhough one may have family members living in the house? Do you think a shotgun with less "punch" like the 20 gauge, ideal for home invasions?

The "punch" of a 20 gauge is about the same as a 12 gauge... the velocity of each pellet is nearly identical... there are just fewer pellets per shot with the 20. That is not really an issue at close range. Dead is dead.

[ogibillm]

The "punch" of a 20 gauge is about the same as a 12 gauge... the velocity of each pellet is nearly identical... there are just fewer pellets per shot with the 20. That is not really an issue at close range. Dead is dead.

i was at the shot gun range earlier today (i was awful today, but still had fun)

there was a second group there and one of them had a .410 revolver.

he hit a few clays with it too.

now that would be something for home protection. :)

[Samm]

I ended up buying a Ruger SP101 .38 special for $350.00.

I really liked it, I would like to hear your thoughts on a .38 special.

I have read differing opinions. Also, for home defense what would be the best ammunition with regards to stopping power?

At the time it was developed, the .38 special was considered a man stopper. Men have not become more difficult to kill since then.

Look... it really does not matter a great deal what you shoot an intruder with... 9 mm, 38, 357, 45 ACP or 44 magnum or a 12 gauge. What is important is hitting what you are shooting at. A 9 mm or a 38 with good self-defense rounds will stop a man just as well as the higher power calibers if you hit him on the breast bone (or any other vital spot.) There is a lot to be said for using a gun that you are comfortable shooting. You will be more likely to shoot it accurately than you will a cannon you are uncomfortable with, but that can knock somebody off their feet ... if you manage to hit them.

Just get a reliable double action revolver (preferably - IMO) and practice with it until it becomes part of your hand.

[Samm]

i was at the shot gun range earlier today (i was awful today, but still had fun)

there was a second group there and one of them had a .410 revolver.

he hit a few clays with it too.

now that would be something for home protection. :)

That is probably the gun I pictured below (post #91)... "The Judge" made by Taurus.

Because the barrel is rifled for the 45 Colt rounds, the 410 shot immediately begins to spread at the muzzle. The pattern at 20 feet is very deadly.

http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm

[ogibillm]

That is probably the gun I pictured below (post #91)... "The Judge" made by Taurus.

Because the barrel is rifled for the 45 Colt rounds, the 410 shot immediately begins to spread at the muzzle. The pattern at 20 feet is very deadly.

http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm

that's about what it looked like - and i'm guessing that spread shot is why he they weren't throwing the clays very far when shooting it.

[sgtmac_46]

What are your thoughts on a S&W Model 19 .357 used for $390?

I am going to the gun shop today to look at it. I've read a lot of good things about that revolver but also read about problems firing .357 rounds out of it. I would appreciate your opinion as I am a novice at all of this. Nobody does double-action revolver like Smith and Wesson, and the Model 19 may be the best example ever!

If it's in good condition, $390.00 is a great price.

[spearmaster]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

I like my .45 1911 Gov't Issue.

[sgtmac_46]

sgtmac, Would you still consider the 12 gauge standard issue for defense eventhough one may have family members living in the house? Do you think a shotgun with less "punch" like the 20 gauge, ideal for home invasions? Not at all.....i'm not an advocate of 20 gauge for personal defense....it can do the job adequately, but anything the 20 gauge can do, the 12 gauge can do better.

More importantly, there are dozens of tactical load options, a load for every tactical situation, available in the 12 gauge. Everything from reduced recoil loads, to fragmenting slugs that don't over-penetrate sheet rock.

Picking a 20 gauge over 12 gauge is a trade off in versatility and power.

[odg]

I carry a Glock 39 sub-compact in 45 G.A.P.
Very dependable,light weight, with a IWB holster.

[TinCan]

A question for the gun owners. How much practice does one have to do in order to have a reasonable chance of hitting an intruder in your home with a handgun?

It isn't practicing with a weapon if it comes to shooting someone, it's having the ability to function in that kind of stressful environment and having the nerve to pull the trigger. When you practice shooting, use the silhouette targets and shoot for center mass. And remember, you shoot to kill not to wound.

[TinCan]

Like others have stated, it depends but it's either a 1911, XD-40, Colt .38 Detective Special or a little Rossi .38 Special and sometimes it's one of each type. All are also home defense but I usually grab the 12 ga double-barrel first. If they're in the yard up to no good then I grab the M1 Carbine.

[ConstitutionHugger]

Like others have stated, it depends but it's either a 1911, XD-40, Colt .38 Detective Special or a little Rossi .38 Special and sometimes it's one of each type. All are also home defense but I usually grab the 12 ga double-barrel first. If they're in the yard up to no good then I grab the M1 Carbine.

Pretty good summation. For Home defense for me it either 1911, 12ga 3in mag buckshot under the bed or my 30 06 with my handloads that have no more penetration than 12in but leaves a 10in hole in a buck with no exit.
Needless to say, anybody that enters my house that aint supposed to be there, wont live to make it out of the house and certainly wont get the chance to do it again.
I dont want to shoot somebody but wouldnt hesitate if we were in danger.

[TinCan]

Pretty good summation. For Home defense for me it either 1911, 12ga 3in mag buckshot under the bed or my 30 06 with my handloads that have no more penetration than 12in but leaves a 10in hole in a buck with no exit.
Needless to say, anybody that enters my house that aint supposed to be there, wont live to make it out of the house and certainly wont get the chance to do it again.
I dont want to shoot somebody but wouldnt hesitate if we were in danger.

Well, break into my house and I automatically think it's me or thee. Now that the kiddies are all gone, I always throw a couple of ball rnds into my pistol mags for good measure unless I have a full mag of them nearby, which is usually the case, because you never know.

[Drew2]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

In my opinion, if you're comfortable with it and competent with it as you say, then go for it. I've always believed the right firearm is a personal decision. I carry a Bersa .380 that a lot of people don't like, but I'm incredibly accurate, precise, and proficient with it.

That being said I am considering a revolver as well, maybe a .357 magnum or higher.

[TinCan]

In my opinion, if you're comfortable with it and competent with it as you say, then go for it. I've always believed the right firearm is a personal decision. I carry a Bersa .380 that a lot of people don't like, but I'm incredibly accurate, precise, and proficient with it.

That being said I am considering a revolver as well, maybe a .357 magnum or higher.

We were going to get a Bersa for the wife but she decided that I could get the XD-40 because she can shoot that one just as well. :)

[sgtmac_46]

I like my .45 1911 Gov't Issue.

The 1911 is the Cadillac of defensive handguns. Here's mine.....stock picture of the exact make, model and color of mine, anyway.

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[sgtmac_46]

Here's what folks will run in to, though, if they confront me in my home.....Benelli M2 tactical with surefire weapon light (stock photo).

Oddly enough, not only is that Benelli in the picture set up exactly like mine.....but I have that same vest carrier....great minds must think alike.

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[Drew2]

We were going to get a Bersa for the wife but she decided that I could get the XD-40 because she can shoot that one just as well. :)

Nice. An XD-9 was at the top of my list, but ultimately it all came down to physical size and "wearability". I've read and heard nothing but great things about Springfiled XD.

[ConstitutionHugger]

Here's what folks will run in to, though, if they confront me in my home.....Benelli M2 tactical with surefire weapon light (stock photo).

Oddly enough, not only is that Benelli in the picture set up exactly like mine.....but I have that same vest carrier....great minds must think alike.

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If somebody breaks in on you they are going to get a very bad surprise!!!!!
In about 2 weeks if some breaks into moy house they are gonna have another surprise since i ordered a 15 rd clip for my 1911 that will be in then.

[Samm]

If somebody breaks in on you they are going to get a very bad surprise!!!!!
In about 2 weeks if some breaks into moy house they are gonna have another surprise since i ordered a 15 rd clip for my 1911 that will be in then.

If you need 15 rounds of 45 ACP to deal with a break-in, you are doing something wrong... :neutral:

[MrDuffy]

Ultra CDP II (Kimber) right now.
Taurus Judge coming up soon and Kimber Covert Ultra II coming in July.
(Gotta save up for these things)

[MrDuffy]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?
Sorry. My other post didn't answer your comment directly.
1911 cocked and locked works really well.
I do, however want the Taurus Judge loaded with .410 for defense in my vehicle.
We had an ATM robbery here a few weeks ago that resulted in the victim being killed in the vehicle which I believe could have been prevented had the victim been armed and conscious of what was going on around her.:think:
I believe being aware of your surroundings at all times and an easily accessible hard stopping weapon is the way to go in today's environment.

[Claymore]

The 1911 is the Cadillac of defensive handguns. Here's mine.....stock picture of the exact make, model and color of mine, anyway.

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http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/4f/ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg/350px-ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg

Mine, Colt Government Model Series 70 .45ACP

[ben41281]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?


In my humble opinion, either would work! If all I have is my 1911 .45ACP, I'll use it to deffend myself. If all I have is my S&W 66 .357MAG, I'll use it to deffend myself. If all I have is one of my Colt SAA's .45LC, I'll use it to deffend myself.

It's not the weapon that makes the difference, it's the person who uses it!

[MrDuffy]

That's right!

[BeatlesSteve]

I shot my SP-101 at the range again today, it seems to get better the more I shoot/handle it. I was much more confident & comfortable shooting today than my first time shooting last weekend.

[Samm]

I shot my SP-101 at the range again today, it seems to get better the more I shoot/handle it. I was much more confident & comfortable shooting today than my first time shooting last weekend.

That is the way it works. When it becomes part of your hand, you will have achieved proficiency.

[ben41281]

When it's really hot, I wear a derriger tucked into the front of my Speedo. It keeps most people away,,, far, far, away.







I could find a picture for you.:))
"Is that a .44 magnum or are you just happy to see me"

Which keeps them away, the speedo or the deringer?:))

[spearmaster]

What's your preference?

As of late, the cowboy-style single action has become extremely attractive to me. It's very comfortable, a little bit more affordable, and I'm to the point where I can draw it, thumb the hammer, and get off a shot as fast (if not faster) as I can draw, slide, and fire a semi-auto.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk that fits me like a glove, and it's becoming my carry gun of choice. Something about it just really appeals to me now. Don't get me wrong; I like a good semi-auto, and I own a nice Beretta. But I feel really seduced by the feel of the single action, to the point where it feels like a very competent weapon for self-defense.

What say you?

I prefer my 1911 .45 Auto. :cool:

[MrDuffy]

That is the way it works. When it becomes part of your hand, you will have achieved proficiency.
Speaking of which, gotta go to the range tomorrow. It's been a long week without.
Night all. Time to fire up FNC for the Saturday evening fare.

[BeatlesSteve]

That is the way it works. When it becomes part of your hand, you will have achieved proficiency.

It was great today, I believe I shot about 45 rounds and was ready to shoot more but didn't want to overdue it.

I have to practice aiming more. A few times I felt like I was aiming at a certain point of the target but the bullet was going too low. I felt like I was aiming at the middle of the face and the bullet would go into the neck.

[ben41281]

What is everyone's opinion of a Ruger GP100 revolver for a novice and for home defense?

I love mine, it has the 6in barrel. I would feal comfortable with it for home/personal protection. And for a novice, it's very easy to clean. And like all revolvers, is a good starting point for a novice shooter.

[ben41281]

What are your thoughts on a S&W Model 19 .357 used for $390?

I am going to the gun shop today to look at it. I've read a lot of good things about that revolver but also read about problems firing .357 rounds out of it. I would appreciate your opinion as I am a novice at all of this.

The S&W 19 and it's stainless counterpart the 66, are both very good for personal deffense. With both of them, as with most "lighter" fram revolvers, I personaly don't like putting too many full-house magnums through them. The S&W 66 I have, I shoot .38+P's, they are almost as powerful as the low end .357mag's but are cheaper. If I was going to use it for deffense, I could load it with the magnums. I hope that gives you some insite. It's my two cents worth anyways.

[ben41281]

I ended up buying a Ruger SP101 .38 special for $350.00.

I really liked it, I would like to hear your thoughts on a .38 special.

I have read differing opinions. Also, for home defense what would be the best ammunition with regards to stopping power?


Some people think the .38 special is not powerful enough. My opinion, HOG WASH! It's a very good cartridge. It's got enough stopping power, as for the load. Best choices, any good hollow points should do. If it can handle the +P's use them.

[TinCan]

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/4f/ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg/350px-ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg

Mine, Colt Government Model Series 70 .45ACP

That was the top of my list but I couldn't pass up the deal I got on a new Taurus PT-1911 SS -- $450.00 including taxes and a 50 rnd box of ammo. Especially considering a week later, that same gun was selling for $899.99 at the 3 places here that were carrying it. Besides, the wife also let me get the Springfield XD-40 that came with 2 mags, mag carrier, and holster and I just received an email that they are also going to send me 2 more mags and another mag carrier! It was a really nice Xmas! Now she's thinking that maybe I should get a pump 12 ga and a .22 rifle!

[BeatlesSteve]

Some people think the .38 special is not powerful enough. My opinion, HOG WASH! It's a very good cartridge. It's got enough stopping power, as for the load. Best choices, any good hollow points should do. If it can handle the +P's use them.

I have gold dot 135 grain jacketed hollow point +P for home defense. I am also looking at the corbon 110 grain dpx rounds as well, although they are very expensive. I shot the +P gold dots today and the recoil was very manageable, didn't seem any more than normal.

I believe the .38 special loaded with +P would be plenty in my case as based on the layout of my 2 story house the farthest distance I would be shooting is 12-15 feet. Now I am just focusing on consistency and aiming at hitting from the bottom of the zipper to the top of the neck.

[Claymore]

Which keeps them away, the speedo or the deringer?:))

Y'know, I haven't had a chance to ask.:eh:

[TinCan]

Y'know, I haven't had a chance to ask.:eh:

:)):)):))

[Samm]

It was great today, I believe I shot about 45 rounds and was ready to shoot more but didn't want to overdue it.

I have to practice aiming more. A few times I felt like I was aiming at a certain point of the target but the bullet was going too low. I felt like I was aiming at the middle of the face and the bullet would go into the neck.

The key is putting the top of front sight where you want the bullet to hit and then centering and leveling the rear sight on that to complete the sight picture. It is also possible that you are flinching very slightly.

Concentrate on one thing at a time... both eyes open; front sight on target; rear sight centered & level; control breathing; smooth trigger pull (no jerking.) The more you shoot, the less concentration it will take for each action. If you can get someone to watch your hands on the gun (particularly your trigger finger) as you shoot they may be ale to spot what you are doing wrong which will speed up the process.

You are on the right track... practice, practice, practice...

[BeatlesSteve]

The key is putting the top of front sight where you want the bullet to hit and then centering and leveling the rear sight on that to complete the sight picture. It is also possible that you are flinching very slightly.

Concentrate on one thing at a time... both eyes open; front sight on target; rear sight centered & level; control breathing; smooth trigger pull (no jerking.) The more you shoot, the less concentration it will take for each action. If you can get someone to watch your hands on the gun (particularly your trigger finger) as you shoot they may be ale to spot what you are doing wrong which will speed up the process.

You are on the right track... practice, practice, practice...

Thanks for the tips. One thing that my dad told me that helped was that you should be pulling the trigger almost with the tip of the index finger. When I was pulling the trigger it was in the crease of the first joint of my index finger (hope that makes sense).

When I concentrated on pulling the trigger with the tip of my index finger I felt that my hands moved less and I flinched less.

[Samm]

Thanks for the tips. One thing that my dad told me that helped was that you should be pulling the trigger almost with the tip of the index finger. When I was pulling the trigger it was in the crease of the first joint of my index finger (hope that makes sense).

When I concentrated on pulling the trigger with the tip of my index finger I felt that my hands moved less and I flinched less.

Yes... the trigger should be centered on the last bone of your finger and concentrate on pulling smoothly straight back, not in an arc, without moving anything other than that finger. There are good references available that cover hand position (one and two hand positions) and stances that improve stability. It would helpful to read and look at the pictures if you do not have an experienced shooter to guide you at the range. Also you can practice at home dry firing. If your gun manual says to not dry fire it (most guns are ok to dry fire, but look and see for sure) there are plastic dummy rounds available for that purpose.

[BeatlesSteve]

Yes... the trigger should be centered on the last bone of your finger and concentrate on pulling smoothly straight back, not in an arc, without moving anything other than that finger. There are good references available that cover hand position (one and two hand positions) and stances that improve stability. It would helpful to read and look at the pictures if you do not have an experienced shooter to guide you at the range. Also you can practice at home dry firing. If your gun manual says to not dry fire it (most guns are ok to dry fire, but look and see for sure) there are plastic dummy rounds available for that purpose.

When you aim, do you close 1 eye or keep both eyes open?

I am right handed, right eye dominate and usually close my left. Is this correct? Should I be using both eyes? I have read that having both eyes open creates double vision. If that is the case how do you know what to aim at? I would appreciate any tips you may have.

[Samm]

When you aim, do you close 1 eye or keep both eyes open?

I am right handed, right eye dominate and usually close my left. Is this correct? Should I be using both eyes? I have read that having both eyes open creates double vision. If that is the case how do you know what to aim at? I would appreciate any tips you may have.

Both eyes open. Closing your left eye will cause your face to tense, which will hurt your concentration on what you are doing. At any rate, it does not cause double vision particularly if your dominant hand and eye are on the same side.... you only have the sights lined up in front of one eye.

Although...

You are lucky... I am right handed and left eye dominant. When I shoot targets on an indoor range, I have to put a piece of translucent tape on the left lens of my glasses so that my brain will use my right eye. (Which has trained me to shoot left handed aiming with my right eye.) If I don't, I get a better picture of the target with my left eye and the sights kind of fade away. This is all compounded by the fact that the retina of my left eye is damaged at the center leaving me with a small distortion exactly on the focal point. Oddly, I never have a problem with any of that on outdoor ranges shooting tin cans and can shoot just fine without blocking my left eye.

[BeatlesSteve]

Both eyes open. Closing your left eye will cause your face to tense, which will hurt your concentration on what you are doing. At any rate, it does not cause double vision particularly if your dominant hand and eye are on the same side.... you only have the sights lined up in front of one eye.

Although...

You are lucky... I am right handed and left eye dominant. When I shoot targets on an indoor range, I have to put a piece of translucent tape on the left lens of my glasses so that my brain will use my right eye. (Which has trained me to shoot left handed aiming with my right eye.) If I don't, I get a better picture of the target with my left eye and the sights kind of fade away. This is all compounded by the fact that the retina of my left eye is damaged at the center leaving me with a small distortion exactly on the focal point. Oddly, I never have a problem with any of that on outdoor ranges shooting tin cans and can shoot just fine without blocking my left eye.

I am going to try this @ the range next time I go. I have read 2 things that I want to try. One of them stated to focus on the front sight as the rear sight & target will be blurry. Others have said to only focus on the target.

This is more complicated than I thought.

[ben41281]

The key is putting the top of front sight where you want the bullet to hit and then centering and leveling the rear sight on that to complete the sight picture. It is also possible that you are flinching very slightly.

Concentrate on one thing at a time... both eyes open; front sight on target; rear sight centered & level; control breathing; smooth trigger pull (no jerking.) The more you shoot, the less concentration it will take for each action. If you can get someone to watch your hands on the gun (particularly your trigger finger) as you shoot they may be ale to spot what you are doing wrong which will speed up the process.

You are on the right track... practice, practice, practice...

To add to very good advice. Dry fire practice and practice with rimfires, can help.

To determine weather or not you are flinching, there is a simple way to test. Next time you go to the range, get some snap caps. Mix them in with your ammo in the magazine or cylider. Try to do that without looking to see which chamber(s) or how many rounds into the magazine, they are. When you get to them while firing, notice the way the gun is pointed. If the muzzle is down, you flinched. With a little practice this can be overcome, and you wouldn't be the first to have that problem. From time to time, especially with high powered loads, I do it to. We all do.

[ben41281]

I am going to try this @ the range next time I go. I have read 2 things that I want to try. One of them stated to focus on the front sight as the rear sight & target will be blurry. Others have said to only focus on the target.

This is more complicated than I thought.


Your eyes can only focus on one point. Focus on the front sight, it will result in more consistent results.

Practice, practice, practice.

[sgtmac_46]

If you need 15 rounds of 45 ACP to deal with a break-in, you are doing something wrong... :neutral:
Like having moved in to the WRONG DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD! :eek:

[sgtmac_46]

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/4f/ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg/350px-ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg

Mine, Colt Government Model Series 70 .45ACP
The ole' classic Series 70.......by the gold medallion ye' shall know them!

[sgtmac_46]

Thanks for the tips. One thing that my dad told me that helped was that you should be pulling the trigger almost with the tip of the index finger. When I was pulling the trigger it was in the crease of the first joint of my index finger (hope that makes sense).

When I concentrated on pulling the trigger with the tip of my index finger I felt that my hands moved less and I flinched less.

Trigger control is EVERYTHING. The key to the whole picture is learning trigger control. Buying snap caps and practicing (safely) at home dry-firing is part of the key.

One good drill is to (ENSURE!) that the gun is empty, load snap-cap rounds (or empty cases.....be careful), point at a safe direction (like the new $1,200.00 Plasma TV! ;)) and practiced smooth, consistent trigger pulls.....concentrate on limiting movement. Dry firing is some of the best training you can do......but make sure to follow the rules of firearms safety, and don't dry-fire in any direction of anything you don't mind destroying.

When you think you have good trigger control, place a penny, balanced on it's side, on the top of the front sight (if it has a flat top sight). Practice squeezing the trigger without making the penny fall over. Add more pennies as you get better.

[sgtmac_46]

When you aim, do you close 1 eye or keep both eyes open?

I am right handed, right eye dominate and usually close my left. Is this correct? Should I be using both eyes? I have read that having both eyes open creates double vision. If that is the case how do you know what to aim at? I would appreciate any tips you may have.

As Samm says, keep both eyes open, in order to maintain concentration....and also closing your left eye limits your peripheral vision to the left, and reduces your threat awareness.....BOTH EYES OPEN!

[Antrel]

When you aim, do you close 1 eye or keep both eyes open?

I am right handed, right eye dominate and usually close my left. Is this correct? Should I be using both eyes? I have read that having both eyes open creates double vision. If that is the case how do you know what to aim at? I would appreciate any tips you may have.Not to contradict Samm's advice, but I've always squinted when distance aiming with a pistol. In fact, I squinted with my rifle until I was issued my SDM-R with ACOG. If it's not scoped, I'll squint. It prevents any potential mirage, and you'll learn to relax your face. I've never personally used tape. It's more of a macho thing for me. But ultimately, shoot in the way that's most comfortable to you.

[sgtmac_46]

Not to contradict Samm's advice, but I've always squinted when distance aiming with a pistol. In fact, I squinted with my rifle until I was issued my SDM-R with ACOG. If it's not scoped, I'll squint. It prevents any potential mirage, and you'll learn to relax your face. I've never personally used tape. It's more of a macho thing for me. But ultimately, shoot in the way that's most comfortable to you.

There's a difference between distance shooting, with a rifle peep sight for example, and close range shooting. The purpose in closing the eye in long range shooting is so that the binocular image created by the non-aiming eye doesn't interfere with and distort the very small target picture of the aiming eye.

That isn't an issue with close range shooting, which all practical pistol work is. Peripheral awareness takes precedent in CQB situations.

Even with a rifle, I keep both eyes open in CQB shooting scenarios......not much point in squinting with an EOTech holographic sight.

Of course, as I recall, your experience was military, correct? I would imagine that, other than the comfort provided by having one, a handgun rarely comes in to play in modern military conflicts, most of which is usually resolved, I would guess, with a rifle (in the case of a designated marksman, like yourself), M4 carbine or machine gun, if it comes to shooting.

By the way.....how'd you like the ACOG? I'm looking at adding one to my SA58. Which power magnification was the one you used?

[sgtmac_46]

Your eyes can only focus on one point. Focus on the front sight, it will result in more consistent results.

Practice, practice, practice.

I recommend to anyone carrying a handgun for defensive purposes to invest in a set of XS Big Dot sights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY5RURFEGd8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVCeJ103BQ&feature=related

I've got a set on my duty GLOCK G22C, and they are the best thing since buttered bread!

[Antrel]

There's a difference between distance shooting, with a rifle peep sight for example, and close range shooting. The purpose in closing the eye in long range shooting is so that the binocular image created by the non-aiming eye doesn't interfere with and distort the very small target picture of the aiming eye.

That isn't an issue with close range shooting, which all practical pistol work is. Peripheral awareness takes precedent in CQB situations.

Even with a rifle, I keep both eyes open in CQB shooting scenarios......not much point in squinting with an EOTech holographic sight.

Of course, as I recall, your experience was military, correct? I would imagine that, other than the comfort provided by having one, a handgun rarely comes in to play in modern military conflicts, most of which is usually resolved, I would guess, with a rifle (in the case of a designated marksman, like yourself), M4 carbine or machine gun, if it comes to shooting.

By the way.....how'd you like the ACOG? I'm looking at adding one to my SA58. Which power magnification was the one you used?I went with a TA11, which is 3.5x. I do not like scopes and was rather upset when they took away my M14, but **** happens. But if I had to offer an opinion, I'd say go for it if you can get a piece. Sorry for the late response, passed out on the keyboard. Bed timez.

[ivarr]

i sometimes enjoy knocking out some rounds in a wheelgun, but there is no substitute for a 1911A-1 for me

[blackcatrun]

no.... I keep them at my father's house. he lives in the next town over where I grew up. He kept the guns in his cabinet with locks and trigger locks. He died a year ago feb 18.

home defense? kinda superflous, like I said. I am pretty poor and live in a run down dump of a mobile home. I have nothing of value beyond the beer in the fridge. There really isn't anything to kill me for. That and I am more likely to shoot myself out of stupidity or depression.

What would I do if somebody did invade my home with a gun? proballee give them what they want and hope I dont end up dead.

If I had somebody who could or would teach me how to shoot and how to properly take care of such a weapon, i would buy one. But, sadly, I got nothin.

Run down dump nothing for a thief here too. Maines like that more and more..about the same here. I bought a Russian made .380 semi -auto a few years back.
It was the only hand gun in the price range I could cough up the cash for at the time. Very tough and well made and small practical for aim.
Good grip for my midsized hand.
I put three boxes of shells through it fast to see if it could handle the heat and foul without a jam and it preformed perfect. Althou not super duper for calibor it has accurate fire. This makes up for the smaller bore. Althou larger bores are wonderfulin stopping power, I found smaller bores with very accurate fire takes less time recouping from discharge and reaquiring the target.

I pounded in 8 rounds to a target hitting a nice group while the large bore 45 got three in.
Athou if a living target was one the recieving end I would think the 45 would not need 3 shots a 380 might.

[ConstitutionHugger]

If you need 15 rounds of 45 ACP to deal with a break-in, you are doing something wrong... :neutral:

don't need but 1 shot but having a few more never hurt. ;)
Since i carry the 1911 for CC I'll let you know how is carries with the 15 rounder in there.

But just so you know i didn't go overboard i passed up the 40 rd drum for the 1911 since that might be hard to conceal:D

[sgtmac_46]

don't need but 1 shot but having a few more never hurt. ;)
Since i carry the 1911 for CC I'll let you know how is carries with the 15 rounder in there.

But just so you know i didn't go overboard i passed up the 40 rd drum for the 1911 since that might be hard to conceal:D

Better to have and not need, than need and not have.

[Samm]

Better to have and not need, than need and not have.

That is the beauty of the magazine feed mechanism... "have" is just a click and a snap away. ;)

[ConstitutionHugger]

Better to have and not need, than need and not have.

My Motto Exactly!!!!

[Amallek]

MP 40 fully automatic.

[Samm]

MP 40 fully automatic.

Or if you don't want the man to have your prints in his file (if you could even find an MP 40 to buy let alone at an affordable price); maybe one of these... with a 100 round double drum magazine...