Why I carry a Gun.

[ConstitutionHugger]

My Father in law sent me this and it is very true and educational for those of you who think Guns are inherantly evil and so are their owners

These are the exact reasons why my wife and I carry concealed weapons

enjoy!


Why I Carry a Gun

My old grandpa once said to me, "Son, there comes a time in every man's
life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually
it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin'.

I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being
killed.

I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this
world can be a scary place.

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are
real threats in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived
long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because
I understand the limitations of government.

I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have
to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun
because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk
somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I
die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men
know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because,
unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life
and the people who make it meaningful to me.

"Police Protection" is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect
themselves. Police do not protect you from crime; they usually just
investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean
up the mess.

Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to
take an ass whoopin'."

..author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

Remember the average response time to a 911 call is over 4 minutes.

The average response time of a 357 magnum is 1400 FPS

[johnrocks]

lol, good post!

[BillyBobUSA]

That post says it all in one nice series of comparisons.

Of course, it will have no effect on the ideologues and doctrinare libruls.

[ConstitutionHugger]

That post says it all in one nice series of comparisons.

Of course, it will have no effect on the ideologues and doctrinare libruls.

The truth can only be denied for so long before they start to see that the truth is true.
Maybe I am giving them too much credit but I know that there are a few libs that haven't completely gone to the dark side:pray:

[BillyBobUSA]

The truth can only be denied for so long before they start to see that the truth is true.
Maybe I am giving them too much credit but I know that there are a few libs that haven't completely gone to the dark side:pray:


Yes, that is true, but those are not the ones calling the shots and setting the tempo for the rest of the leftwing lemmings.

[angelicmadrigal]

That post says it all in one nice series of comparisons.

Of course, it will have no effect on the ideologues and doctrinare libruls.

I personally don't care if people have a gun or whatever. I have freinds that carry concealed knives (and one that actually rusn aroudn with a small sword).

HOwever, if someone gets killed with YOUR weapon it's YOUR responsibility and you should suffer the consequences for it.

[ArmyMAJretired]

An armed society is a polite society!

[ArmyMAJretired]

I personally don't care if people have a gun or whatever. I have freinds that carry concealed knives (and one that actually rusn aroudn with a small sword).

HOwever, if someone gets killed with YOUR weapon it's YOUR responsibility and you should suffer the consequences for it.

Same with cars right?

[angelicmadrigal]

Same with cars right?

Yup.

Except for the cases where you can prove it was stolen and you actually attempted to get your property back.

[ALBOB2]

I personally don't care if people have a gun or whatever. I have freinds that carry concealed knives (and one that actually rusn aroudn with a small sword).

HOwever, if someone gets killed with YOUR weapon it's YOUR responsibility and you should suffer the consequences for it.

Where have you seen otherwise? Or do you just enjoy spreading lies and propaganda? :rolleyes:

[angelicmadrigal]

Where have you seen otherwise?
I didn't say I did. I said that's my opinion. I don't care if people have weapons as long as they take responsibility for any crimes commited with that weapon while it's in their posession.


Or do you just enjoy spreading lies and propaganda? :rolleyes:
Evidently, insisiting on responsible gun ownership is lies and propaganda now. ::eyeroll::

[ALBOB2]

I didn't say I did. I said that's my opinion. I don't care if people have weapons as long as they take responsibility for any crimes commited with that weapon while it's in their posession.


Evidently, insisiting on responsible gun ownership is lies and propaganda now. ::eyeroll::

No, you didn't state that was your opinion. As worded, your statement directly implied that you know of cases where gun owners tried to deny responsibility for crimes committed with their guns. If you didn't know of any cases where that had happened, why would you have that concern? It's called a strawman. You're making a big deal about "insisting on responsible gun ownership". My claim is that you can't cite an example of IRresponsible gunownership. I asked you to provide your example(s) and am still waiting.

[angelicmadrigal]

If you didn't know of any cases where that had happened, why would you have that concern? I asked you to provide your example(s) and am still waiting.

I actually do.

A kid at one of the schools where I went to middle school (and was my cousin's best freind) shot himself playing around with this father's gun. The father tried to play it off like it was not his fault for keeping a loaded weapon where the kid could get to it.

Also, my dad was on a jury for a drug case where one of the guys tried to say he wasn't responsible for loaning his gun to a freind (a known drug dealer) who ended up killing someone with it.

[ConstitutionHugger]

An armed society is a polite society!

Plus 1million!!!!!

[ALBOB2]

I actually do.

A kid at one of the schools where I went to middle school (and was my cousin's best freind) shot himself playing around with this father's gun. The father tried to play it off like it was not his fault for keeping a loaded weapon where the kid could get to it.

Also, my dad was on a jury for a drug case where one of the guys tried to say he wasn't responsible for loaning his gun to a freind (a known drug dealer) who ended up killing someone with it.

Well done. In both cases the gun owner should have been tried as an accomplice to whatever crime was committed with their gun.

Looking back I see I probably owe you an appology. My replies look more like attacks than legitimate inquiries for information. I'm sorry for that. I've seen lots of instances where anti-gun talking points with no basis in fact have been touted as gospel so, on this subject, I have a bad habit of forming opinions before looking at all the facts.

[Marleysdaddy]

My Father in law sent me this and it is very true and educational for those of you who think Guns are inherantly [sic] evil and so are their owners


I suspect "those" people (who think guns and gun-owners are inherently evil) are actually composed of straw ;)

[ConstitutionHugger]

I suspect "those" people (who think guns and gun-owners are inherently evil) are actually composed of straw ;)

As in No brains i presume ;) and we have one of those in the Whitehouse :twisted:

[Samm]

I personally don't care if people have a gun or whatever. I have freinds that carry concealed knives (and one that actually rusn aroudn with a small sword).

HOwever, if someone gets killed with YOUR weapon it's YOUR responsibility and you should suffer the consequences for it.

Your phrase "suffer the consequences" implies that you did something wrong if someone gets killed with your gun. That presumes that the person who is killed did nothing to deserve being shot. Regardless... as the saying goes... I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[Marleysdaddy]

As in No brains i presume ;) and we have one of those in the Whitehouse :twisted:

you presume incorrectly

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I have never encountered someone who thought guns and gun-owners were inherently evil, so until you produce evidence of such a person, I'm claiming that you have built a straw man.

[ConstitutionHugger]

you presume incorrectly

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I have never encountered someone who thought guns and gun-owners were inherently evil, so until you produce evidence of such a person, I'm claiming that you have built a straw man.

I thought you were referring to the Wizard of OZ strawman.
I have seen Stories on that were written by people who it is clear that in their minds all guns and gun owners are criminals.
I'll find and Post a link when i get a chance

[WreckedParty]

Guns are inherantly evil and so are their owners

i never understood this arguement either, but looking back on my stance in a previous post, i dont really have much of a stance eitherway about current gun control laws.

[BillyBobUSA]

I personally don't care if people have a gun or whatever. I have freinds that carry concealed knives (and one that actually rusn aroudn with a small sword).

HOwever, if someone gets killed with YOUR weapon it's YOUR responsibility and you should suffer the consequences for it.


So if my gun gets stolen and someone is killed with it, thats my fault?

:D

[BillyBobUSA]

I suspect "those" people (who think guns and gun-owners are inherently evil) are actually composed of straw ;)


I wouldnt say straw, more like bovine scat.

[BillyBobUSA]

you presume incorrectly

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I have never encountered someone who thought guns and gun-owners were inherently evil, so until you produce evidence of such a person, I'm claiming that you have built a straw man.

I have met people that assert this.

A great many in fact.

Anyone recall Rosie O'Donels claim that if you own a gun you should go to prison?

And how many times have we heard that some category of objects are evil, from guns to money to condoms?

It shouldnt be outside the scope of your imagination to realise that there are in fact people like that.

[historynut]

I personally don't care if people have a gun or whatever. I have freinds that carry concealed knives (and one that actually rusn aroudn with a small sword).

HOwever, if someone gets killed with YOUR weapon it's YOUR responsibility and you should suffer the consequences for it.

What if you saved someone's life with YOUR weapon is that YOUR responsibility and should you suffer the consequences for it?

Or don't you get credit for saving someone's life?

[Samm]

I have met people that assert this.

A great many in fact.

Anyone recall Rosie O'Donels claim that if you own a gun you should go to prison?

And how many times have we heard that some category of objects are evil, from guns to money to condoms?

It shouldnt be outside the scope of your imagination to realise that there are in fact people like that.

So Rosie wants her bodyguard to go to jail? :eh:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=1999

[historynut]

I have met people that assert this.

A great many in fact.

Anyone recall Rosie O'Donels claim that if you own a gun you should go to prison?

And how many times have we heard that some category of objects are evil, from guns to money to condoms?

It shouldnt be outside the scope of your imagination to realise that there are in fact people like that.

Almost forgot, I'm a motorcycle rider too. Since (some) people know that motorcycles (and the people that ride them) are evil I must be real bad.

[angelicmadrigal]

So if my gun gets stolen and someone is killed with it, thats my fault?

:D

Nah, only if you LOAN it to them

Oh and you have to report it stolen.

[angelicmadrigal]

Your phrase "suffer the consequences" implies that you did something wrong if someone gets killed with your gun.
If someone is killed with your gun and it was not in the legal realm of self defense (or in the case of a stolen gun that you actually REPORT as stolen) then yes, you should be held accountable for it.

[angelicmadrigal]

What if you saved someone's life with YOUR weapon is that YOUR responsibility and should you suffer the consequences for it?
Last i checked you only have the legal right to defend yourself, not to use your weapon for the purposes of vigilanteism.


Or don't you get credit for saving someone's life?

In my opinion your gun is to protect your person, your family, and your home.

[Samm]

If someone is killed with your gun and it was not in the legal realm of self defense (or in the case of a stolen gun that you actually REPORT as stolen) then yes, you should be held accountable for it.

What if you did not know your gun was stolen? Even locked up guns are stolen and often it is those that are most frequently not missed in a timely fashion by the owner because he believes they are safely locked away.

You are focusing on the wrong person... the focus should be on the criminals, not the peripheral players. As someone already pointed out, if someone killed somebody with your car... even if you willingly loaned it to them... should you be prosecuted as a co-conspirator? How about if they grabbed one of your kitchen knives from the block on the counter and stabbed somebody? Or used one of your appliance chords to strangle somebody? This obsession with placing everyone who has or has had any connection to a gun used in a crime is absurd. Prosecute the criminals for the crime; there is more than enough of them to keep the justice system busy without drumming up more business.

[angelicmadrigal]

What if you did not know your gun was stolen?
I would be more careful about keeping a dangerous ordinance if I couldn't even be boethered to notice it was missing.


You are focusing on the wrong person... the focus should be on the criminals, not the peripheral players. As someone already pointed out, if someone killed somebody with your car... even if you willingly loaned it to them... should you be prosecuted as a co-conspirator?

This does happen you know. People have been prosecuted for loaning a freind/family member/neighbor their car and a crime is commited and they are held accountable for it.

[ConstitutionHugger]

I would be more careful about keeping a dangerous ordinance if I couldn't even be boethered to notice it was missing....
.

Some People collect guns and others like myself and many others have guns that we only use bout once a year or less. Like My 30-30 I haven t shot it in years because I have a better gun for the terrain I hunt but wont sell it since it was a gift from my grandpa. Yet if someone were to steal it I prolly wouldnt notice it until my semi-annual gun cleaning.

And yes it is locked up AND hidden as most of my guns are except the pistols that my wife and I daily carry and the 12 ga for home defense, since a gun is no good if you cant use it

[historynut]

Last i checked you only have the legal right to defend yourself, not to use your weapon for the purposes of vigilanteism.


In my opinion your gun is to protect your person, your family, and your home.

You can not use a gun for the purposes of vigilanteism.

But you can use a gun to defend yourself or others if you believe there life is in danger. If you see a guy attacking a group of kids and the only way to stop him is to shot him then it is legal.

You must have reason to believe a life is in danger. Someone with a weapon saying "I'm going to kill you" is a good reason.

[BasicGreatGuy]

Carry a gun because size matters. :razz:

[Cold_War_Warrior]

"The average response time of a 357 magnum is 1400 FPS"

I love that.

[noose4]

this part was funny:



I carry a gun because sometimes this
world can be a scary place.

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid

[ALBOB2]

this part was funny:





You're not really going to take that out of context and try to use it against the OP, are you?:confused:

[Marleysdaddy]

I have met people that assert this.

A great many in fact.

Anyone recall Rosie O'Donels claim that if you own a gun you should go to prison?
Haven't heard it - did she say "guns are inherently evil"?
And how many times have we heard that some category of objects are evil, from guns to money to condoms?
If 'we' = 'me', then zero...
It shouldnt be outside the scope of your imagination to realise that there are in fact people like that.

It isn't outside the scope of my imagination, but that's exactly my point...when one commits the fallacy of straw man, one is arguing against imaginary foes. That doesn't bolster one's side in a discussion...

[noose4]

You're not really going to take that out of context and try to use it against the OP, are you?:confused:

i found it funny , one was on top of the other, stating the world is a very dangerous place and then saying you're not paranoid is humorous.

[Marleysdaddy]

i found it funny , one was on top of the other, stating the world is a very dangerous place and then saying you're not paranoid is humorous.

Yeah...there was nothing taken out of context...and it was funny

[Samm]

i found it funny , one was on top of the other, stating the world is a very dangerous place and then saying you're not paranoid is humorous.

Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you. :shifty:


The same applies if you are not paranoid. ;)

[Samm]

Some People collect guns and others like myself and many others have guns that we only use bout once a year or less. Like My 30-30 I haven t shot it in years because I have a better gun for the terrain I hunt but wont sell it since it was a gift from my grandpa. Yet if someone were to steal it I prolly wouldnt notice it until my semi-annual gun cleaning.

And yes it is locked up AND hidden as most of my guns are except the pistols that my wife and I daily carry and the 12 ga for home defense, since a gun is no good if you cant use it

Well put. I too have several guns that I have not shot in years and haven't laid eyes on in months. Contrary to angelicmadrigal's apparent belief, gun owners do not fondle all their guns every day...

... I reserve that affection for my favorites. ;)

[angelicmadrigal]

Well put. I too have several guns that I have not shot in years and haven't laid eyes on in months. Contrary to angelicmadrigal's apparent belief, gun owners do not fondle all their guns every day...



But you SHOULD keep track of them. I collect lots of things, like gaming books, I would NOTICE if one went missing.

So you know maybe it's not such a bad idea to check on your guns everyday if you're a collector.

[Samm]

But you SHOULD keep track of them. I collect lots of things, like gaming books, I would NOTICE if one went missing.

So you know maybe it's not such a bad idea to check on your guns everyday if you're a collector.

I'm am not a collector... I am a multiple firearm owner. I own a lot of other tools too and I don't check on each and every one of them ever day either. It is an absurd suggestion.


And I bet you do NOT inventory your collection of gaming books every day...

[angelicmadrigal]

And I bet you do NOT inventory your collection of gaming books every day...
If one was missing I would know...tehy're in a very particular order.plus some of them are rather valuable..so yeah I'd know if one got pilfered pretty quick, then I'd be hunting down teh rat bastard who thieved it and gutting him.

[jaggy]

the post is brilliant. thanks for sharing

[Samm]

the post is brilliant. thanks for sharing

Which post? :eh:

[Samm]

If one was missing I would know...tehy're in a very particular order.plus some of them are rather valuable..so yeah I'd know if one got pilfered pretty quick, then I'd be hunting down teh rat bastard who thieved it and gutting him.

If you are so intimate with your gaming book collection that you go through them everyday perhaps you need a life. ;)

[angelicmadrigal]

If you are so intimate with your gaming book collection that you go through them everyday perhaps you need a life. ;)

Nah, I answer a lot of questions on several forums so I need to go through them a lot. There mostly all the same settings anyway. World of Darkness, Fading Suns, and D&D

[Samm]

Nah, I answer a lot of questions on several forums so I need to go through them a lot. There mostly all the same settings anyway. World of Darkness, Fading Suns, and D&D

Then I redact the word "perhaps" ... you do need to get a life. ;)

[ConstitutionHugger]

you presume incorrectly

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I have never encountered someone who thought guns and gun-owners were inherently evil, so until you produce evidence of such a person, I'm claiming that you have built a straw man.

Here is what a Professor Hemminway at Harvard believes

David Hemenway, Professor of Health Policy at Harvard, has studied firearm injuries (http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/090433.html) for a long time. Although America is not a particularly violent country compared to other industrialized nations, American violence tends to be "lethal violence", says Hemenway:"The reason, plain and simple, is guns. We own more guns per capita than any other high-income country—maybe even more than one gun for every man, woman, and child in the country."
That's particularly true of handguns:" 'Handguns are the crime guns,' Hemenway says. 'They are the ones you can conceal, the guns you take to go rob somebody. You don't mug people at rifle-point.' "
So why don't we ban them? Prohibit their manufacture, importation, possession. The United Kingdom did. So why can't we?
From the Quote it is obvious that he believes guns and their owners are inhearantly evil, and according to him handguns are even more evil

Link: http://joesschool.blogs.com/olsononline/2007/04/ban_all_guns.html

More links and examples to come, Stay tuned :)

[MrDuffy]

I have met people that assert this.

A great many in fact.

Anyone recall Rosie O'Donels claim that if you own a gun you should go to prison?

And how many times have we heard that some category of objects are evil, from guns to money to condoms?

It shouldnt be outside the scope of your imagination to realise that there are in fact people like that.

Anyone else recall Rosie's body guards were armed?

[Samm]

Here is what a Professor Hemminway at Harvard believes

From the Quote it is obvious that he believes guns and their owners are inhearantly evil, and according to him handguns are even more evil

Link: http://joesschool.blogs.com/olsononline/2007/04/ban_all_guns.html

More links and examples to come, Stay tuned :)

Which are more evil? Black guns that look scary? or Handguns?

[angelicmadrigal]

Then I redact the word "perhaps" ... you do need to get a life. ;)

Yeah because I am stuck writing a fiction a month for a campagin I'm in. Ewww...I gotta stop commiting to things.

[ConstitutionHugger]

Which are more evil? Black guns that look scary? or Handguns?

In my opinion neither, guns are just tools. Damn fun tools but tools, and you can never have too many tools ;)

But in the opinion of several that are uneducated in common sense both are evil.

Those people need to be educated since you fear what you don't understand, and the majority of Americans (unfortunately) don't understand guns

[foomoto]

i found it funny , one was on top of the other, stating the world is a very dangerous place and then saying you're not paranoid is humorous.


these two statements are not in opposition to one another,prepared is not paranoid.

[drylok]

i found it funny , one was on top of the other, stating the world is a very dangerous place and then saying you're not paranoid is humorous.

God you **** me off, pay attention!

"I carry a gun because sometimes this
world can be a scary place.

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid"

Do you have a fire extinguisher or smoke detector in your house? If so does that mean you're paranoid about your house catching on fire? Of course not, but that doesn't take away the fact the threat does exist.

Jesus Christ!

[noose4]

God you **** me off, pay attention!

"I carry a gun because sometimes this
world can be a scary place.

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid"

Do you have a fire extinguisher or smoke detector in your house? If so does that mean you're paranoid about your house catching on fire? Of course not, but that doesn't take away the fact the threat does exist.

Jesus Christ!


i **** you off ? good, and no i dont have a fire extinguisher in my apartment, and anybody that can not see the humor in a person stating that they carry a gun because the world can be a scary place and then in the very next statement state that they are not paranoid needs to get the stick out of their ass.

[drylok]

i **** you off ? good, and no i dont have a fire extinguisher in my apartment, and anybody that can not see the humor in a person stating that they carry a gun because the world can be a scary place and then in the very next statement state that they are not paranoid needs to get the stick out of their ass.

I do not see any humor in a person who says while they are not paranoid, they do realize that some times bad things happen to good people (such as yourself) that could have been prevented had they exercised thier right to defend themself.

I guess you just have to have your life threatened or no someone close to you who has before you can appreciate the idea that when seconds count police are only minutes away.

I surely hope you have an angle on your shoulder cause God knows you have no other way of defending yourself.

[noose4]

I do not see any humor in a person who says while they are not paranoid, they do realize that some times bad things happen to good people (such as yourself) that could have been prevented had they exercised thier right to defend themself.

I guess you just have to have your life threatened or no someone close to you who has before you can appreciate the idea that when seconds count police are only minutes away.

I surely hope you have an angle on your shoulder cause God knows you have no other way of defending yourself.

i grew up in nyc during the 1970's and 80's, i knew a bunch of people who have been murdered and i still do not feel the need to arm myself, so yes people living out in the crime free country who put forth the idea about the world being a dangerous place and then state that they are not paranoid is humorous to me and anybody else that is not agenda driven with defense of this schlocky, feel good, cut and paste, pro gun ownership email piece.

[historynut]

i found it funny , one was on top of the other, stating the world is a very dangerous place and then saying you're not paranoid is humorous.

In one year in grade school we had 5 kids disappear (they found the bodies of 2 of them). I must have been paranoid because if a car slowed down next to me I ran.
If I hear a sound outside my bedroom window at 2 AM I call the police, just to be on the safe side (or maybe I'm paranoid).

[drylok]

i grew up in nyc during the 1970's and 80's, i knew a bunch of people who have been murdered and i still do not feel the need to arm myself, so yes people living out in the crime free country who put forth the idea about the world being a dangerous place and then state that they are not paranoid is humorous to me and anybody else that is not agenda driven with defense of this schlocky, feel good, cut and paste, pro gun ownership email piece.

Oh man, you're a peice of work! lol
You know a bunch of people who were murdered cause they didn't have the ability to defend themselves,yet you didn't learn a lesson?
And you want to deny those of us who have learned our lesson the right to defend ourselves, am I understanding that correctly?
I'm going for now, I'll catch up with you later...

[noose4]

In one year in grade school we had 5 kids disappear (they found the bodies of 2 of them). I must have been paranoid because if a car slowed down next to me I ran.
If I hear a sound outside my bedroom window at 2 AM I call the police, just to be on the safe side (or maybe I'm paranoid).

5 kids out of how many? if you choose to live your life in fear that is your right and it is on you, but if you state that you carry a gun because the world is a dangerous place and then state that you are not paranoid i will laugh at such a humorous statement.

[noose4]

Oh man, you're a peice of work! lol
You know a bunch of people who were murdered cause they didn't have the ability to defend themselves,yet you didn't learn a lesson?
And you want to deny those of us who have learned our lesson the right to defend ourselves, am I understanding that correctly?
I'm going for now, I'll catch up with you later...

your gun does you know good if holstered when somebody approaches you and shoots you or walks up behind you and shoots you in the back of the head, a few of those that i knew who were murdered had guns on them when they were murdered, their having guns on them didnt help. like stated i lived and survived growing up in a very dangerous neighborhood and yet i do not let fear run my life to the point i feel the need to be constantly armed, and i will laugh at the paranoid types that live in very safe areas that are so scared of life that they feel the need to have a weapon constantly at their disposal.

[historynut]

5 kids out of how many? if you choose to live your life in fear that is your right and it is on you, but if you state that you carry a gun because the world is a dangerous place and then state that you are not paranoid i will laugh at such a humorous statement.

We had 2 5th grade classes of between 35 to 45 kids.
Since I was a kid I did not pay attention to what happened in other grades so I can not tell you if they had the same problem.

I'm glad that nothing bad has ever happened to you or anyone you know. But for you to say someone is paranoid because where they live or work is not as safe as yours to me is wrong.

[noose4]

We had 2 5th grade classes of between 35 to 45 kids.
Since I was a kid I did not pay attention to what happened in other grades so I can not tell you if they had the same problem.

I'm glad that notting bad has ever happened to you or anyone you know. I'm glad that nothing bad has ever happened to you or anyone you know. But for you to say someone is paranoid because where they live or work is not as safe as yours to me is wrong.

did you even read any of my posts before making comments about me?

[ALBOB2]

5 kids out of how many?

Now I really don't want to enter the urinary olympics going on here but I have to ask, what the Hell difference does THAT make?!?!? :confused:

[noose4]

Now I really don't want to enter the urinary olympics going on here but I have to ask, what the Hell difference does THAT make?!?!? :confused:

just seemed like a lot of kids to go missing, and since kids arent supposed to carry guns a weird argument for carrying them.

[ALBOB2]

just seemed like a lot of kids to go missing, and since kids arent supposed to carry guns a weird argument for carrying them.


I'm pretty sure that IS the point. A lot of kids suddenly start disappearing, maybe we should find a way to protect them. Makes sense to me.

Or am I misunderstanding your point?

[birddog1]

your gun does you know good if holstered when somebody approaches you and shoots you or walks up behind you and shoots you in the back of the head, a few of those that i knew who were murdered had guns on them when they were murdered, their having guns on them didnt help. like stated i lived and survived growing up in a very dangerous neighborhood and yet i do not let fear run my life to the point i feel the need to be constantly armed, and i will laugh at the paranoid types that live in very safe areas that are so scared of life that they feel the need to have a weapon constantly at their disposal.

My seat belt would likely do me no good if I hit a semi head on at 55 mph but I still wear it just in case there is another scenario that it would save my life. I am also not paranoid that my house will burn down either but I keep smoke alarms and fire extinguishers on hand just in case it does. Carrying a firearm doesn't make a person any more paranoid than the two examples above. The fact of the matter is that a person can not predict when they will be violently assaulted anymore than they can predict when they will be in a car accident or a house fire. Also just like the other two examples are not 100% effective at saving lives neither is a gun, it does give a person another option and possibly a higher chance of survival in certain situations.

[noose4]

I'm pretty sure that IS the point. A lot of kids suddenly start disappearing, maybe we should find a way to protect them. Makes sense to me.

Or am I misunderstanding your point?

how are you going to protect a kid from getting abducted by carrying a gun? they dont get abducted in front of adults, they are alone and vulnerable when abducted, so unless you plan on giving 10 year olds handguns to carry around with them having a gun isnt very useful in a child abduction scenario.

[Samm]

Yeah because I am stuck writing a fiction a month for a campagin I'm in. Ewww...I gotta stop commiting to things.

Suspicions confirmed... ;)

Did you write fiction for Obama? :razz:

[Samm]

i grew up in nyc during the 1970's and 80's, i knew a bunch of people who have been murdered and i still do not feel the need to arm myself, so yes people living out in the crime free country who put forth the idea about the world being a dangerous place and then state that they are not paranoid is humorous to me and anybody else that is not agenda driven with defense of this schlocky, feel good, cut and paste, pro gun ownership email piece.

Is there any truth to the saying that an anti-gun Liberal is one who has not yet been mugged, robbed, or assaulted? :razz:

As someone else pointed out... being prepared is not the same as being paranoid. It takes a very narrow perspective not to see that. There is no irony or humor in being prepared.

Oh... and you really ought to get a fire extinguisher considering your apartment is occupied by a flaming liberal. ;)

[ALBOB2]

how are you going to protect a kid from getting abducted by carrying a gun? they dont get abducted in front of adults, they are alone and vulnerable when abducted, so unless you plan on giving 10 year olds handguns to carry around with them having a gun isnt very useful in a child abduction scenario.


On the surface you are correct, but in the long run it would most definitely work and has been proven to do so. You see, if criminals know, or even suspect, that every adult in town is carrying a firearm they're not only going to stop committing crimes in that town, they usually pack up and leave. I give you the state of Florida as an example. They are the poster state for right to carry and from the moment they started granting carry licenses their crime rate started going down. The more readily they made firearms available to LAWFUL citizens, the more the crime rate dropped.

No, criminals don't intentionally commit crimes in front of witnesses. But they know very well they could be caught in the act. If the threat of getting caught by an armed populace exists they're much less likely to try and commit that crime.

There's an old cliche' that covers this very well, "An armed society is a polite society." ;)

[noose4]

Is there any truth to the saying that an anti-gun Liberal is one who has not yet been mugged, robbed, or assaulted? :razz:

As someone else pointed out... being prepared is not the same as being paranoid. It takes a very narrow perspective not to see that. There is no irony or humor in being prepared.

Oh... and you really ought to get a fire extinguisher considering your apartment is occupied by a flaming liberal. ;)

i am not anti gun but do believe in some gun control, and there have been attempted muggings tried on me.

[noose4]

On the surface you are correct, but in the long run it would most definitely work and has been proven to do so. You see, if criminals know, or even suspect, that every adult in town is carrying a firearm they're not only going to stop committing crimes in that town, they usually pack up and leave. I give you the state of Florida as an example. They are the poster state for right to carry and from the moment they started granting carry licenses their crime rate started going down. The more readily they made firearms available to LAWFUL citizens, the more the crime rate dropped.

No, criminals don't intentionally commit crimes in front of witnesses. But they know very well they could be caught in the act. If the threat of getting caught by an armed populace exists they're much less likely to try and commit that crime.

There's an old cliche' that covers this very well, "An armed society is a polite society." ;)

a great deal of this nations cocaine enters the country through florida, miami does not seem to be the safest place in the world.

[Samm]

your gun does you know good if holstered when somebody approaches you and shoots you or walks up behind you and shoots you in the back of the head, a few of those that i knew who were murdered had guns on them when they were murdered, their having guns on them didnt help. like stated i lived and survived growing up in a very dangerous neighborhood and yet i do not let fear run my life to the point i feel the need to be constantly armed, and i will laugh at the paranoid types that live in very safe areas that are so scared of life that they feel the need to have a weapon constantly at their disposal.

You can always come up with an "if" scenario where a gun will do you no good. However, that does not mean that therefore there is no reason to carry one. The only guarantee you will get is that if you do not have a gun, you will not be able to defend yourself with one. I will admit that some people buy and carry guns because they fear for their safety (paranoia), but the vast majority of gun owners carry one simply to be prepared not because they expect to need to use it.

[Samm]

i am not anti gun but do believe in some gun control, and there have been attempted muggings tried on me.

You are anti gun... your ridicule and rhetoric say so regardless of your assertion that you are not. We already have tons of "gun control" much of which is not enforced and yet folks like you think more would be just fine. Hint... go after the criminals and we wouldn't need any more laws.

Attempted muggings? What stopped them from happening? Do you look like your avatar; did you scare the peewadins out of the perps just by looking them in the eye? :razz:

[angelicmadrigal]

Did you write fiction for Obama? :razz:

He's not a gamer....i can tell.

[Adamster202]

It depends where you live and/or the work you do. If I lived in a dangerous neighborhood or worked in one, I would consider a gun. But I don't. I have never been threatened in any way. So I don't see the need to have one. I do carry mace when I was using NJ transit to commute for the past few years at my old job, but that was just a just in case deal. Once in a while there was some horseplay and the stops were in some dangerous areas like Newark but overall I never felt any real danger. If I was a female, I might be feeling differently as they are attacked more, again it would depend if I were waiting alone at a train station for example.

[historynut]

did you even read any of my posts before making comments about me?

Did you read mine?
If I go into a bad part of town with lots of money I will get my CCW and my gun and take them with me.
Why did I go into the bad part of town? That is where my grandmother had her business (machine shop) and if she was paid in cash I took it to the bank for her.
I know where I live. What area is safe and what isn't.

[noose4]

You are anti gun... your ridicule and rhetoric say so regardless of your assertion that you are not. We already have tons of "gun control" much of which is not enforced and yet folks like you think more would be just fine. Hint... go after the criminals and we wouldn't need any more laws.

Attempted muggings? What stopped them from happening? Do you look like your avatar; did you scare the peewadins out of the perps just by looking them in the eye? :razz:


i am a former Marine and a pretty good street fighter who can be very vicious when confronted by somebody looking to do me harm,so far my fists and wits have served me well, for further info on how i look all that needs to be done is access the photo section for my profile, plenty of pictures of me at various ages.

regarding my rhetoric, the cut and paste email was very goofy, and only a true gun nut would take offense at somebody finding humor in a goofy email cut and paste where in one line it is stated the world is a scary place and in the very next line the author states that he is not paranoid.

[khigh]

It depends where you live and/or the work you do. If I lived in a dangerous neighborhood or worked in one, I would consider a gun. But I don't. I have never been threatened in any way. So I don't see the need to have one. I do carry mace when I was using NJ transit to commute for the past few years at my old job, but that was just a just in case deal. Once in a while there was some horseplay and the stops were in some dangerous areas like Newark but overall I never felt any real danger. If I was a female, I might be feeling differently as they are attacked more, again it would depend if I were waiting alone at a train station for example.

I live on a military base and drive into town to go to work and shop and such. I won't go to the "bad" areas of town, but I do keep my weapon on me at all times. Even at work. I work in a mom and pop pet store that has been robbed three times in the past two months. It was all after hours, but I usually close up by myself or with one other female. Granted, I am a female that lives with a deployed husband and a daughter. Without my weapon, if something should happen, the only line of defense I have is a well trained German Shepherd (also goes with me where ever I go- even to work) and a Sig if I am in town and several more weapons if I am at home.

[BillyBobUSA]

regarding my rhetoric, the cut and paste email was very goofy, and only a true gun nut would take offense at somebody finding humor in a goofy email cut and paste where in one line it is stated the world is a scary place and in the very next line the author states that he is not paranoid.

There is nothing paranoid about realising that the world is a scarey place, doofus.

[noose4]

There is nothing paranoid about realising that the world is a scarey place, doofus.


you have a lot of nerve calling me a doofus billy bob.:)):)):))

[Samm]

He's not a gamer....i can tell.

I don't know... he sure gamed the American people... and he is not done yet. :neutral:

[Samm]

i am a former Marine and a pretty good street fighter who can be very vicious when confronted by somebody looking to do me harm,so far my fists and wits have served me well, for further info on how i look all that needs to be done is access the photo section for my profile, plenty of pictures of me at various ages.
Good for you; most people aren't. But don't be too smug; remember: never bring fists to a knife fight; never bring a knife to a gun fight.

regarding my rhetoric, the cut and paste email was very goofy, and only a true gun nut would take offense at somebody finding humor in a goofy email cut and paste where in one line it is stated the world is a scary place and in the very next line the author states that he is not paranoid.
We have been over this. It was only goofy or humorous if you ignore the fact that there is no correlation between being prepared and being paranoid. And pardon us for being defensive; that kind of rhetoric from anti-gun nuts has become very tiresome.

[historynut]

how are you going to protect a kid from getting abducted by carrying a gun? they dont get abducted in front of adults, they are alone and vulnerable when abducted, so unless you plan on giving 10 year olds handguns to carry around with them having a gun isnt very useful in a child abduction scenario.

We just had a case on the news where a mother was walking her kid to school when a guy tried to abduct her kid.

There are a number of times when having a gun would do no good, there are a number of times when having a gun would save lifes.
People know the area where they live. I know places that look very safe where I would never walk alone. Some cities I know the police will come right away while other cities they take there time.
My point is that one person can not see any reason to carry while someone living someplace else can see a number of reason's to carry. It depends on what's happened to you.

[BillyBobUSA]

you have a lot of nerve calling me a doofus billy bob.:)):)):))


I had watered that down quite a bit, from 'Doofus Maximus Rex' and other things. :D

We live in a country where people are murdered, kidnapped, mugged and assaulted every day dozens of times.

Our nations capital, normally a show place of pride for a nation, is one of the most gruesome murder centers in the Western world.

So laugh all you want; the world is dangerous whether you realise it or not.

Doofus.

:D

[BillyBobUSA]

Good for you; most people aren't. But don't be too smug; remember: never bring fists to a knife fight; never bring a knife to a gun fight.


We have been over this. It was only goofy or humorous if you ignore the fact that there is no correlation between being prepared and being paranoid. And pardon us for being defensive; that kind of rhetoric from anti-gun nuts has become very tiresome.

Kind of like hearing a drooling dimwit repeating algore AGW slogans over and over.

After a while you have to leave before you realise that you have shot the moron.

[markdido]

I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy..... ;)

[sgtmac_46]

I personally don't care if people have a gun or whatever. I have freinds that carry concealed knives (and one that actually rusn aroudn with a small sword).

HOwever, if someone gets killed with YOUR weapon it's YOUR responsibility and you should suffer the consequences for it.

It does, of course, matter to you if the killing is justified, right?

[sgtmac_46]

I suspect "those" people (who think guns and gun-owners are inherently evil) are actually composed of straw ;)

I suspect 'those' people who want to convince us that no such people like that exist have 'straw' in their 'head'. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

you presume incorrectly

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I have never encountered someone who thought guns and gun-owners were inherently evil, so until you produce evidence of such a person, I'm claiming that you have built a straw man.

I'm glad YOU pointed out logical fallacies....yours is known as the 'Irrelevant Conclusion' fallacy, or 'Redherring'.....to wit, rather than make argument about the topic, you fixate on the irrelevant point of trying to PROVE to you that ANYONE believes that 'guns are evil'.

In short, your entire argument becomes to fixate on the word 'evil'....and declare that other person's argument is entirely WRONG if they cannot produce for you one person who ADMITS that they believe that guns are 'evil' rather than simply 'bad'.

[sgtmac_46]

This does happen you know. People have been prosecuted for loaning a freind/family member/neighbor their car and a crime is commited and they are held accountable for it. No....actually they haven't unless they knowingly committed a crime. Now if you KNOWINGLY allow an unlicensed driver to drive your car, that's a crime. But simply loaning someone your car, who subsequently commits a crime, lacks an important legal component known as 'mens rea'......look it up.......actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea ;)

[sgtmac_46]

Haven't heard it - did she say "guns are inherently evil"?

If 'we' = 'me', then zero...

It isn't outside the scope of my imagination, but that's exactly my point...when one commits the fallacy of straw man, one is arguing against imaginary foes. That doesn't bolster one's side in a discussion...

So your logical fallacy argument is 'I deny ever having heard it, so it must not be true'?

Were you posting the link to a list of logical fallacies for everyone else, or merely doing research on how many you yourself can fit in a thread? :))

[sgtmac_46]

i found it funny , one was on top of the other, stating the world is a very dangerous place and then saying you're not paranoid is humorous.

Reminded me, strangely, of 'Bowling for Columbine' when Michael Moore declared that America was dangerous because we owned all these guns......and then a few minutes later declared that America WASN'T more dangerous than any other place, we just believe we are because the news media shows violent crimes all the time, and inflates the perception of a violent society to make us racist against black folks.....:eh:

[angelicmadrigal]

It does, of course, matter to you if the killing is justified, right?

The person in question would have to be able to prove self defense in a court of law.

[angelicmadrigal]

No....actually they haven't unless they knowingly committed a crime.

Actually I have had this happen to me, so that's BS. My car was actaully impounded because my dad stole my keys and took my car out when he didn't have a liscence and the Judge ruled _I_ was responsible for it, and made ME pay for getting my car out of impound. THAT is holding ME accountable.

[angelicmadrigal]

I don't know... he sure gamed the American people... and he is not done yet. :neutral:

bah, man couldn't roleplay his way out of a paper bag.

[noose4]

I had watered that down quite a bit, from 'Doofus Maximus Rex' and other things. :D

We live in a country where people are murdered, kidnapped, mugged and assaulted every day dozens of times.

Our nations capital, normally a show place of pride for a nation, is one of the most gruesome murder centers in the Western world.

So laugh all you want; the world is dangerous whether you realise it or not.

Doofus.

:D

you can run and hide in fear of life like a scared little girl, i will not be a chicken little afraid of my own shadow.

[historynut]

you can run and hide in fear of life like a scared little girl, i will not be a chicken little afraid of my own shadow.

Do you have a spare tire in your car?
Why?
Are you that scared of getting a flat tire?

Being prepared and being scared are two different things.

[noose4]

Do you have a spare tire in your car?
Why?
Are you that scared of getting a flat tire?

Being prepared and being scared are two different things.

i dont have a car, and the probability of geting a flat tire is greater than having to defend yourself with a gun.

[ALBOB2]

The person in question would have to be able to prove self defense in a court of law.

:eek: Wow!:eek: So much for the theory of "Innocent until proven guilty." In your world people go into court under the assumption of guilt and have to prove themselves innocent? :wall: Luckily in OUR world it's the prosecution that has to prove it WASN'T self-defense.

[historynut]

i dont have a car, and the probability of geting a flat tire is greater than having to defend yourself with a gun.

I've had to defend myself three times with a gun. There are two more times where people believed I had a gun and did not attack me.

When you have someone breaking your door down and the 911 operator says the police will not be there for for at lest 45 minutes what will you do?
The police station was a 5 minute drive away and the 911 operator heard the guy yelling "I am going to kill you".
Or how about when the KKK came to burn a cross on our lawn (O.C., Calif.) and operator told my Dad the police would not come and not to call again?
I'm glad you never had to defend yourself.

[Samm]

I don't know... he sure gamed the American people... and he is not done yet.

bah, man couldn't roleplay his way out of a paper bag.

You underestimate his talent... he role-played himself right into the Presidency.

[angelicmadrigal]

:eek: Wow!:eek: So much for the theory of "Innocent until proven guilty." In your world people go into court under the assumption of guilt and have to prove themselves innocent? :wall: Luckily in OUR world it's the prosecution that has to prove it WASN'T self-defense.

Yeah in general I believe people need to PROVE their innocence to me. I work with little kids, I hear at least 100 lies everyday of the "I didn't do it!" variety, so I have no patience for that crap in real life. I also understand people are liars and in general suck.

[angelicmadrigal]

You underestimate his talent... he role-played himself right into the Presidency.

Please, I've seen better roleplaying out of 10 year olds.

[Samm]

Please, I've seen better roleplaying out of 10 year olds.

Perhaps, but you have to be at least 35 to run for President. ;)


... and it is hard to argue with results. :neutral:

[angelicmadrigal]

Perhaps, but you have to be at least 35 to run for President. ;)


... and it is hard to argue with results. :neutral:

Its' not hard to convince most people of anything you'll find.

[khigh]

Well put. I too have several guns that I have not shot in years and haven't laid eyes on in months. Contrary to angelicmadrigal's apparent belief, gun owners do not fondle all their guns every day...

... I reserve that affection for my favorites. ;)

Hey, hey, I fondle mine every day. It's really fun to sit in front of the TV at night and clean your weapons. Very therapeutic- better than Yoga. Granted, we are only up to 12 and I just started collecting on my 18th B-day (4 1/2 years ago).

What better to fondle than a Tavor when your husband is at war? (That's one of my bumper stickers).

[ALBOB2]

Yeah in general I believe people need to PROVE their innocence to me. I work with little kids, I hear at least 100 lies everyday of the "I didn't do it!" variety, so I have no patience for that crap in real life. I also understand people are liars and in general suck.

#1 The wife of a co-worker used to work for Social Services so I know where you're coming from on the "I didn't do it" issue.

#2 Gotta respect your honesty.

#3 So I guess we can part as friends who just don't agree on this particular subject. See ya'.

[sgtmac_46]

The person in question would have to be able to prove self defense in a court of law. Actually in our current you are presumed innocent, the burden of proof falls on the STATE! And thank god for that. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

Actually I have had this happen to me, so that's BS. My car was actaully impounded because my dad stole my keys and took my car out when he didn't have a liscence and the Judge ruled _I_ was responsible for it, and made ME pay for getting my car out of impound. THAT is holding ME accountable.

Did you play your own defense attorney?

Hint: You were LEGALLY not guilty of any crime.......but you CAN get convicted of something you legally didn't do with an incompetent defense......I bet you.....

1) Didn't get an attorney
or
2) Got a really cheap dirtbag attorney who took your money and gave you crappy service.

[sgtmac_46]

you can run and hide in fear of life like a scared little girl, i will not be a chicken little afraid of my own shadow. Me either.....I refuse to be scared by the gun grabbers who tell me my armed neighbors are ticking time bombs about to shoot the place up at any moment, and that I need mommy government to protect me from them....so we AGREE!

[sgtmac_46]

i dont have a car, and the probability of geting a flat tire is greater than having to defend yourself with a gun. I've had to defend myself with a gun.....and not by someone targeting me as a cop, either. Random act of violence in my front yard with a stranger......I guess the 'odds' came up. ;)

[drylok]

I've had to defend myself with a gun.....and not by someone targeting me as a cop, either. Random act of violence in my front yard with a stranger......I guess the 'odds' came up. ;)

Oh ya, I keep forgeting you're LEO! Thanks man

[Samm]

Hey, hey, I fondle mine every day. It's really fun to sit in front of the TV at night and clean your weapons. Very therapeutic- better than Yoga. Granted, we are only up to 12 and I just started collecting on my 18th B-day (4 1/2 years ago).

What better to fondle than a Tavor when your husband is at war? (That's one of my bumper stickers).

I have too many guns and not enough time to fondle all of them everyday so I have to curb my affection for them and treat them in a business like manner. You have to be very careful to not make the neglected guns jealous... a jealous gun is a dangerous gun. They have been known to fly into a rage and kill their owners.



;)

[angelicmadrigal]

Did you play your own defense attorney?

.

There was no trial or notive to appear, judge made a judgement w/o sending me anything. I went to go get my car out of impound the next day, and the fine was already in place and _I_ was responsile for paying it. END OF STORY.

[sgtmac_46]

There was no trial or notive to appear, judge made a judgement w/o sending me anything. I went to go get my car out of impound the next day, and the fine was already in place and _I_ was responsile for paying it. END OF STORY. You were responsible for paying what? The impound fee? That's not a fine or a judgment.

Are you saying the judge levied a fine against you In absentia?

Uhm........you are aware that they really cannot do that, right? We don't have trials in absentia.......at least not remotely as you describe, where you are not notified of a trial, and the judge finds a criminal judgment against you in your absence. If that DID happen i'd sue their ass off!

5th Amendment

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

6th Amendment

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."

Even in civil cases....

7th Amendment

"In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."

[angelicmadrigal]

You were responsible for paying what? The impound fee? That's not a fine or a judgment.
Yeah I had to pay the impound fee plus some "other" costs. I also had to get a letter from the judge too which I couldn't get w/o paying some more money out to the courts office.


Are you saying the judge levied a fine against you In absentia?


Who knows, all I know is _I_ had to pay them the money. And you know the funny thing about it is my dad didn't get ANYTHING, no jail time, no fine.

Of course this is the same judge that a couple of months later at my dad's DUI hearing told me _I_ was responsible for making sure he didn't drink and drive. Didn't ask me if I was willing to take on the responsibility as a condition of my dad's sentancing, nope, just flat out told me _I_ was responsible for making sure he din't drink and drive.

[oldD&DPreacher]

I have spent 13 years as a volunteer chaplain in the MDOC I seldom leave home unarmed . self defense is a human right .

[Cav Scout]

i dont have a car, and the probability of geting a flat tire is greater than having to defend yourself with a gun.

My father has a theory about people who think this way.

Would you like to hear it?




























The dumb one's die.

[Samm]

i dont have a car, and the probability of geting a flat tire is greater than having to defend yourself with a gun.

So you would carry a spare tire (if you had a car,) but not a gun because flats are more common than needing to protect yourself with a gun? Is that your metric for preparing for a possibility? That it has to be as or more common as a flat tire? Where does home owner fire insurance fall? Above that line or below? How about just having a fire extinguisher handy? Would that be ok if the chance of fire is less than a flat? :rolleyes:

And apparently the potential consequences of not having a spare in case of a flat vs. not being able to defend yourself from someone out to do you harm has no bearing on your decision either... :neutral:

[sgtmac_46]

My father has a theory about people who think this way.

Would you like to hear it?




























The dumb one's die. :))

Fortunately for the dumb one's, though, we live in a society that has a great capacity to cancel out natural selection.....not entirely, but to a great degree. Therefore the dumb one's live longer than would naturally be the case.

[sgtmac_46]

Yeah I had to pay the impound fee plus some "other" costs. I also had to get a letter from the judge too which I couldn't get w/o paying some more money out to the courts office.



Who knows, all I know is _I_ had to pay them the money. And you know the funny thing about it is my dad didn't get ANYTHING, no jail time, no fine.

Of course this is the same judge that a couple of months later at my dad's DUI hearing told me _I_ was responsible for making sure he didn't drink and drive. Didn't ask me if I was willing to take on the responsibility as a condition of my dad's sentancing, nope, just flat out told me _I_ was responsible for making sure he din't drink and drive. Riiiiiiigggggghhhhttttt.........

[Samm]

A friend just sent me this by e-mail... it is titled the same as this thread:

"Why I carry a gun."

My old grandpa said to me, "Boy, there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin'."

I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

"Police Protection" is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime; they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.