Civilians vs Veterans

[Adlerian Thinker]

For all the Hannity Vets.

I found this on BlackFive: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/01/old-friends.html

Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons

CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Get upset if you're too busy to talk to them for a week.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are glad to see you after years, and will happily carry on the same conversation you were having the last time you met.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have never seen you cry.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have cried with you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Keep your stuff so long they forget it's yours.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Borrow your stuff for a few days then give it back.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Know a few things about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Could write a book with direct quotes from you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will leave you behind if that's what the crowd is doing.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will kick the crowd's ass that left you behind.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Are for a while.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are for life.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have shared a few experiences...
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have shared a lifetime of experiences no citizen could ever dream of...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will take your drink away when they think you've had enough.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will look at you stumbling all over the place and say, 'You better drink the rest of that before you spill it!' Then carry you home safely and put you to bed...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will talk crap to the person who talks crap about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will knock them the hell out OF THEM...for using your name in vain.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will ignore this.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will forward this.
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A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The Government of the United States of America' for an amount of 'up to and including my life'. . . and military wives are as much veterans as their spouses.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Vets - Add to the list!

[Antrel]

Veteran Friends: Will Understand.
Civilian Friends: Won't.

Though I think I'm equally happy for both.
EDIT: Happy is probably a bad word for it, fortunate is probably better.

[rhet 2]

I'm a civilian.

Can I forward it anyway?

Just because I'd like to knock crap out of the military hating Left Wit Congress of Fools -- and the Stoooooooopids who just sold their souls to that Damned Cesspool full of human moral bacteria?

[coyote1880]

Some of the most memorable conversations I have had involved a shot, a beer, less than ten words, and another Veteran.

Sometimes words are not needed.

[oncearangeralwaysaranger]

Civilian friends: Run from the gunfire.
Veteran friends: Run WITH you into the gunfire.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Some of the most memorable conversations I have had involved a shot, a beer, less than ten words, and another Veteran.

Sometimes words are not needed.

CIVILIANS: Will often talk your ears off
VETERANS: Knows you well enough to not need words

Something like that?

[Adlerian Thinker]

Civilian friends: Run from the gunfire.
Veteran friends: Run WITH you into the gunfire.

A good addition.

[anniesblog]

Civilian friends: Run from the gunfire.
Veteran friends: Run WITH you into the gunfire.

Being as I am one of those annoying civilian friends who tend to talk too much ;), I wasn't going to contribute to this post. However, I just saw this video and thought of another one:

Civilian friends: Run away from terrorists
Veteran friends: Run towards them

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd6_1232019761

Unbelievable video


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Had I been a veteran this post would have read:


Civilian friends: Run away from terrorists
Veteran friends: Run towards them

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd6_1232019761

Unbelievable video

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:whistle:

G-d bless you all! :flag:

[ERJohnson]

CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will attend your funeral.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will attend your funeral and wear a stainless steel bracelet with your name on it for the rest of their lives.

God Bless you SFC James D. Doster.

[Fire Watch]

Civilian Friends : Ask about war with a smirk or an eager gleam in their eye.
Veteran Friends: Have no need to ask.

[TinCan]

Civilian friends: When times are tough, show you their back
Veteran friends: When times are touch, have your back

[retbuffalo12bravo]

Civilian friends: Debate the meaning of "family".
Veteran friends: Understand we are all (vets) "family".

[camp_steveo]

When I was in the service I hated civilians...Now that I am a civilian, I hate myself!

[porter077]

What do vets fight for if it isn't the civilians that you belittle?

[camp_steveo]

What do vets fight for if it isn't the civilians that you belittle?

#1) We fought to get back home.
#2) We fought to kill the bastards that are killing our brothers and sisters.
#3) We fought to protect each other, like all Brothers do.

God Bless those who serve! :flag::flag::flag:

[Hwy71So]

A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The PEOPLE of the United States of America' for an amount of 'up to and including my life'. . .

There I fixed it for you. ;)

USAF '82 - '02

[trsjr70]

I had to walk down the hall and go check an inscription on the wall here at work, which is at a VA facility in Austin:

A veteran, whether Active Duty, retired, National Guard or Reserve, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life".

... just because I wanted clarification... and note that it's "Anonymous", so there's no official version of it, but maybe the one on the wall at the VA is closest, at least in that it mentions the National Guard :clap:

[Hwy71So]

I had to walk down the hall and go check an inscription on the wall here at work, which is at a VA facility in Austin:

A veteran, whether Active Duty, retired, National Guard or Reserve, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life".

... just because I wanted clarification... and note that it's "Anonymous", so there's no official version of it, but maybe the one on the wall at the VA is closest, at least in that it mentions the National Guard :clap:

You're right. I've seen it passed around for a long time now. I think since the early 80's. The oath I took several times never mentioned "Government".

I sure don't envy you the liberals you have to deal with on a daily basis. I've got to go to B/CS tomorrow which is bad enough.

[trsjr70]

You're right. I've seen it passed around for a long time now. I think since the early 80's. The oath I took several times never mentioned "Government".

I sure don't envy you the liberals you have to deal with on a daily basis. I've got to go to B/CS tomorrow which is bad enough.

I don't deal with veterans directly all that much, mostly IT support of VA employees, but Yes, there are a few liberal coworkers whom I'd classify as "soft". A few are offended by my motivational poster:

[E7ALR]

I don't deal with veterans directly all that much, mostly IT support of VA employees, but Yes, there are a few liberal coworkers whom I'd classify as "soft". A few are offended by my motivational poster:I laughed so hard it brought tears to my eyes. Great poster.:clap:

[penner01]

#1) We fought to get back home.
#2) We fought to kill the bastards that are killing our brothers and sisters.
#3) We fought to protect each other, like all Brothers do.

God Bless those who serve! :flag::flag::flag:

I wouldn't choose to belittle anyone who chooses not to serve. I have no problem with that and though I may have fought for their way of life, I don't recall ever having had any sense of fighting for them. I fought for my country, my comrades, and to come in first.

[H-minus]

Nice OP.

[camp_steveo]

I wouldn't choose to belittle anyone who chooses not to serve. I have no problem with that and though I may have fought for their way of life, I don't recall ever having had any sense of fighting for them. I fought for my country, my comrades, and to come in first.

When I was serving, I remember our 1SG saying "I hate civilians! I used to hate myself for being a civilian before I enlisted!"...lol

It's a joke, with a grain of truth.

[Adlerian Thinker]

I don't deal with veterans directly all that much, mostly IT support of VA employees, but Yes, there are a few liberal coworkers whom I'd classify as "soft". A few are offended by my motivational poster:

:)) Screw them. I LOVE it!

[Mobulis]

Military elitists.

[historynut]

Civilian friends: Do not understand why you cry.

Veteran friends: Cry with you because they do understand.

That came from my Dad (USMC – WWII)

[Hwy71So]

Military elitists.

Why, thank you. ;)

A civilian doesn't really understand that parting glance as you board the aircraft/vessel.
A Veteran savors it.

[Cav Scout]

Military elitists.

That is correct.

We are the top of the food chain.

I'm hungry.

[GA_LP]

Military elitists.
And? :cool: :flag:

[GA_LP]

That is correct.

We are the top of the food chain.

I'm hungry.
Protein only please, no vegetable matter.

[Claymore]

Veterans understand what Civilians cannot imagine.

[Claymore]

Universal jokes a civilian won't get,,,


Butterbar, Har Har!

I know, Sir, but my compass has more time in country than your compass.

Tracers! What idiot issued tracers?

Don't ask what it is, just eat it.

[Crossriflesonblue]

Military elitists.

The disconnect is amazing...what could be more appropriate...


Moving on.... civilians think they understand the dark humor of Willie and Joe..... Vets have lived it....

http://www.stripes.com/02/nov02/mauldin/

[Claymore]

Mauldin was a 45th ID Thunderbird.

[tguns]

Civilian friends “got your back”
Veteran friends have your entire perimeter.

[Claymore]

Civilians don't get the point.
Vets voliunteer to take point.

[Mobulis]

That is correct.

We are the top of the food chain.

I'm hungry.

One thing your overlooking it is far easier to create and build than it is to kill and destroy.

[coyote1880]

But killing and destroying is so much more fun.

[TinCan]

You're right. I've seen it passed around for a long time now. I think since the early 80's. The oath I took several times never mentioned "Government".

I sure don't envy you the liberals you have to deal with on a daily basis. I've got to go to B/CS tomorrow which is bad enough.

That sign was on the wall of the Battle Creek VA back in the 60's, so yes, it's been around a long time.

[TinCan]

One thing your overlooking it is far easier to create and build than it is to kill and destroy.

How about elaborating on that?

[mikeofborg]

great stuff, love it

[meggers49]

CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will attend your funeral.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will attend your funeral and wear a stainless steel bracelet with your name on it for the rest of their lives.

God Bless you SFC James D. Doster.

I'm sorry for the loss of your friend ER.

[meggers49]

What do vets fight for if it isn't the civilians that you belittle?

God, country and family.

You just happen to be lucky enough to be a beneficiary. Be grateful.

[meggers49]

I don't deal with veterans directly all that much, mostly IT support of VA employees, but Yes, there are a few liberal coworkers whom I'd classify as "soft". A few are offended by my motivational poster:

amen to your poster.

[meggers49]

One thing your overlooking it is far easier to create and build than it is to kill and destroy.

not when the barbarians are at your door.

it's only easier to create and build when you have a nice safe place to do it in. creating only happens when your basic needs are met. if you spend your time fighting for your life and your survival it leaves nothing for later.

these people have volunteered to do that for you so you have the luxury of creativity.

be grateful.

[meggers49]

But killing and destroying is so much more fun.

well, that too, but that's generally not common knowledge. ;)

[RickRhetoric]

The once proud unity and strong bond amongst America's veterans seems to be slightly on the wane. Many of them occasionally still get together and tell war stories (sit around the camp fire, get drunk, puke and tell lies), but the camaraderie is slowly dissipating.

One reason is because it's no longer so unique to be a veteran -- it seems that almost half of all adult males in America are veterans. Another likely reason is because Prime Minister Obama and his minister of propaganda is brutally disparaging veterans and trying to make them feel ashamed of themselves.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Military elitists.

Here's an idea. Contribute, and stop trolling, or just stay away.

[Adlerian Thinker]

One thing your overlooking it is far easier to create and build than it is to kill and destroy.

What an absurdly ignorant thing to say.

[Adlerian Thinker]

But killing and destroying is so much more fun.

:)) Vets get that.

Civilians don't.

[GA_LP]

But killing and destroying is so much more fun.
As my Senior DI at Leonard Wood was so fond of saying, "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the suitable application of high explosives."

The corollary to that is "I love the smell of napalm in the morning."

[riverrider]

From a card in a box of goodies from a vet:

“Listen UP!
Tens of Millions of Americans think of you.
And Millions of Vets understand.”

[coyote1880]

The Marines: When it absolotely positively has to be destroyed overnite.

Put a Marine in a room with no doors and a hammer.

He will eat the hammer and punch his way through the walls looking for another hammer to eat.

[coyote1880]

As my Senior DI at Leonard Wood was so fond of saying, "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the suitable application of high explosives."

The corollary to that is "I love the smell of napalm in the morning."

Your DI was a smart man.

I do not know about napalm.

For some reason they never let me near it.

[coyote1880]

:)) Vets get that.

Civilians don't.

You are never so alive as when you have survived a battle.







Or ten.

[TinCan]

You are never so alive as when you have survived a battle.


Or ten.

And here I thought you weren't married. ;)

[coyote1880]

:Shiver:

Not that.

Never.

I have had enough cousins who thought they needed to play the role of wife since I had none of my own.

There are times, like now, that I have stayed in one place for a while.

But always by my own choice.

Never because I must.

[PhantomPholly]

For all the Hannity Vets.

I found this on BlackFive: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/01/old-friends.html

Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons

CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Get upset if you're too busy to talk to them for a week.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are glad to see you after years, and will happily carry on the same conversation you were having the last time you met.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have never seen you cry.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have cried with you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Keep your stuff so long they forget it's yours.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Borrow your stuff for a few days then give it back.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Know a few things about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Could write a book with direct quotes from you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will leave you behind if that's what the crowd is doing.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will kick the crowd's ass that left you behind.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Are for a while.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are for life.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have shared a few experiences...
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have shared a lifetime of experiences no citizen could ever dream of...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will take your drink away when they think you've had enough.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will look at you stumbling all over the place and say, 'You better drink the rest of that before you spill it!' Then carry you home safely and put you to bed...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will talk crap to the person who talks crap about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will knock them the hell out OF THEM...for using your name in vain.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will ignore this.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will forward this.
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A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The Government of the United States of America' for an amount of 'up to and including my life'. . . and military wives are as much veterans as their spouses.

Hehe - think I first saw this 20 years ago.

It's still true!

[Cav Scout]

One thing your overlooking it is far easier to create and build than it is to kill and destroy.

In my spare time I build Power Plants...What do you do?

[Cav Scout]

Universal jokes a civilian won't get,,,


Butterbar, Har Har!

I know, Sir, but my compass has more time in country than your compass.

Tracers! What idiot issued tracers?

Don't ask what it is, just eat it.

Hey Lieutenant! While you are down in supply grab me a box of grid squares....:mrgreen:

[Cav Scout]

What do vets fight for if it isn't the civilians that you belittle?

Each other.

You should join, it is the only way to understand the answer to the question you asked.

[khigh]

What do vets fight for if it isn't the civilians that you belittle?

God, Country, and the Corps. Well, that's what a Marine fights for. Those are the only three things your DI tells you to fight for. ;)

[Claymore]

Do you know why vets are often confusd with civilian statements?

Vets don't speak Sheep.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Hey Lieutenant! While you are down in supply grab me a box of grid squares....:mrgreen:

I need some squelch juice, myself.....

[Claymore]

I need some squelch juice, myself.....

Did Maintenance get those track-stretchers in yet?:whistle:

[Claymore]

One thing your overlooking it is far easier to create and build than it is to kill and destroy.

It takes months to construct a building.
It take 30 seconds to calll in a fire mission to Howitzer Battery.;)

[trsjr70]

Hey Lieutenant! While you are down in supply grab me a box of grid squares....:mrgreen:

One of my favorites that still makes me laugh:
(M1 Abrams crew member to a Butterbar)
"Hey Sir, can you get up on the back of the tank and jump a few times, so we can PMCS the suspension?"

Friends of mine said they got an LT to do it, and their platoon sergeant was laughing too hard to make him stop.

[ALBOB2]

One of my favorites that still makes me laugh:
(M1 Abrams crew member to a Butterbar)
"Hey Sir, can you get up on the back of the tank and jump a few times, so we can PMCS the suspension?"

Friends of mine said they got an LT to do it, and their platoon sergeant was laughing too hard to make him stop.


Us flyboys pulled that kind of stuff too. Convinced a Butterbar he need to stand in front of an F-15 intake and scream as loud as he could so we could perform the montly "Echo check". Had to stop when he tried to do it to a running jet. :rolleyes:

[ALBOB2]

One thing your overlooking it is far easier to create and build than it is to kill and destroy.


Are you dyslexic or did your really mean exactly what you posted. If you meant it, it only goes to prove a point; the STRONG shall do the necessary work while the sheep sit back and take the easy way out.

[VA-165 Boomer]

Us flyboys pulled that kind of stuff too. Convinced a Butterbar he need to stand in front of an F-15 intake and scream as loud as he could so we could perform the montly "Echo check". Had to stop when he tried to do it to a running jet. :rolleyes:Hey wingman run down to supply and pickup 50 ft of flight line for me will ya.

[Claymore]

I once sent a new MSC (admin type) shavetail to the Medical Supply Room and had him request some sterile falopian tubes for the field aid bags.

[VA-165 Boomer]

I once sent a new MSC 9admin type) shavetail to the Medical Supply Room and had him request some sterile falopian tubes for the field aid bags.I once had a brand new ensign B/N come back off a training flight and he couldn't find anything to gripe but the comfort tube being too short. He was short. The AME shop wrote the gripe off A-799. (unable to duplicate) and made note that it was adequate for most B/Ns.:razz:

[Jagergeist]

Great post Thinker. I completely agree with the one about writing a book of direct quotes.

[ALBOB2]

Hey wingman run down to supply and pickup 50 ft of flight line for me will ya.

Dude, I would but they already got me hauling my ass down to the cop shop to get a bottle of K9-P. The guy said it was for some kind of leak check. I asked him why it was at the cop shop and he told me it was a controlled substance so the cops kept it in a special pen. :confused:

[Adlerian Thinker]

Did Maintenance get those track-stretchers in yet?:whistle:

Where's that box of azimuth bearings?

[Claymore]

Where's that box of azimuth bearings?

On the shelf with the case of short rounds.:whistle:

[Cav Scout]

It takes months to construct a building.
It take 30 seconds to calll in a fire mission to Howitzer Battery.;)

Shot over!

[Fire Watch]

I once sent a PFC to the range to pick up the grenade shrapnel. Convinced him that the Marine Corps in an effort to be more green was recycling. Forgot about him for a few hours..until he brought me back about 3 lbs.

[Jagergeist]

I watched a Air Force SP walk around a bomb dump banging the metal perimter fence with a stick because the area supervisor told her to de-magnitize the fence. Because the bombs worked better de-magnitized.

[Cav Scout]

I once sent a PFC to the range to pick up the grenade shrapnel. Convinced him that the Marine Corps in an effort to be more green was recycling. Forgot about him for a few hours..until he brought me back about 3 lbs.

:)):))

[Cav Scout]

I watched a Air Force SP walk around a bomb dump banging the metal perimter fence with a stick because the area supervisor told her to de-magnitize the fence. Because the bombs worked better de-magnitized.

So, what I believe about SP's and MP's is true then...:mrgreen:

[oncearangeralwaysaranger]

shot over!

shot out!! Danger close!!

[Hwy71So]

So, what I believe about SP's and MP's is true then...:mrgreen:

Our SPs on Guam could tell you how many cracks were in the concrete on the parking ramp. We'd play sports with them and the week after we kicked their butts, they'd lay a speed trap on our road out to the bomb dump. So, the next time we played, we'd beat them even worse... :twisted:

Man, now I'm missing the AF! Thanks guys......

[trsjr70]

Us flyboys pulled that kind of stuff too. Convinced a Butterbar he need to stand in front of an F-15 intake and scream as loud as he could so we could perform the montly "Echo check". Had to stop when he tried to do it to a running jet. :rolleyes:

Another friend sent a new Airman all over Lackland asking for a Fallopian Tube... until a female MSG put an end to that fun :mrgreen:

[Adlerian Thinker]

I once sent a PFC to the range to pick up the grenade shrapnel. Convinced him that the Marine Corps in an effort to be more green was recycling. Forgot about him for a few hours..until he brought me back about 3 lbs.

Did you make him paste it back together?

[MadazzVeteran]

We liked to send newbs over to supply for 5 gallons of prop wash.

[khigh]

We liked to send newbs over to supply for 5 gallons of prop wash.

On my husband's first day in his new unit, they handed him a black trash bag and told him to go collect emissions samples from all the humvees. :twisted:

[Adlerian Thinker]

The first time my Drill Sergeant said to make a police call, I asked for the number of the MP's.

My Drill Sergeant did NOT suffer fools gladly.......

[ALBOB2]

We liked to send newbs over to supply for 5 gallons of prop wash.

:)) Yep, that's the next one I was going to mention. :))

[coyote1880]

I don't get all those Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons. Just about all the veteran friend descriptions describe actual civilian friendships.

Veteran friends actually understand.

Civilian friends have a poor stand in for Veteran friendship that they only think is the same because they do not know any better.

[Cav Scout]

shot out!! Danger close!!

Splash over.

[Cav Scout]

Sorry you feel that way.

This is exactly what the hell he is talking about...

"Sorry"....

Just what are you sorry about?

Your sorry he "feels" that way?

Why, becuase you have no idea what he is feeling.

[ALBOB2]

I don't get all those Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons. Just about all the veteran friend descriptions describe actual civilian friendships.

Let me see if I can help you out with a real life situation. I have a very dear friend who has some sort of unidentified cancer. She, her husband, my wife and I were all in the Air Force together, that's how we met and became friends.

She came off some of the most terrible chemo known to man a little over a year ago. One evening, shortly after she came off it we noticed she wasn't "tracking" right. We'd ask her a question about cars and she'd tell us about oranges.

That evening was the same evening her husband crashed during a moto-cross race and broke four ribs. He got himself laid up in the hospital out of his mind on Morphine.

The only information I was able to get out of him was the name of his wife's primary oncologist. My wife and I then got in touch with his office and found a hospital that he was attached to that also took her insurance. We had his office call the hospital and let them know we were brining her in. On the way there we got in touch with her sister in Wisconsin and told her she needed to get here NOW.

After getting her checked into the hospital we went back to their house and brought their dogs back to our house. The next day, when her sister arrived she also came to our place. Three days later when her husband was released from the hospital he ALSO came to our place.

Once evening, about a week later, were all sitting around our kitchen table and her sister got a strange look on her face and said, "Why on Earth are you two doing all this stuff for us?" My wife and I just looked at each other and shrugged. We didn't know how to explain because we never imagined it would NEED an explanation.

Other friends of ours from the Air Force, who are still dear friends, never asked that question. They didn't need an explanation, they knew why we were doing it and would have done it themselves if we hadn't. The only thing they ever asked was, "How can we help?" :flag:

[Claymore]

Shot OUT!

[Claymore]

I had a couple of newbies assigned to my ambulance platoon. I showed them how to use Coke to remove corrosion from battery terminals. One of them asked if they could use Pepsi because they didn't like Coke.

[Cav Scout]

I had a couple of newbies assigned to my ambulance platoon. I showed them how to use Coke to remove corrosion from battery terminals. One of them asked if they could use Pepsi because they didn't like Coke.

:))

[Uncle Ludwig]

:))

My mechanic father in law says this is an old wives tale. Water and a toothbrush work just as well, and cost nothing. So does hydrogen peroxide!

[Cav Scout]

My mechanic father in law says this is an old wives tale. Water and a toothbrush work just as well, and cost nothing. So does hydrogen peroxide!

Any base or opposing acid will work.

Baking Soda and water as well.

That is what we used the whole time I was growing up on the farm to clean battery posts and terminals.

[oncearangeralwaysaranger]

Splash over.

Splash out!

[Adlerian Thinker]

Sorry you feel that way.

I'm sorry you don't understand.

[Adlerian Thinker]

I had a couple of newbies assigned to my ambulance platoon. I showed them how to use Coke to remove corrosion from battery terminals. One of them asked if they could use Pepsi because they didn't like Coke.

Apparently you're an old wife. ;)

[Adlerian Thinker]

Speaking of Vets. There's a documentary on Vets who are back home after serving in Iraq, called "My War, My Story". It's been playing on the Documentary channel. The next time they play it is Wednesday. People should watch it.


Oh I do.

Even if Vet bonds are stronger than most non-Vet bonds, those descriptions of "civilian friends" are still wrong.

Where do you place family bonds in your hierarchy I wonder?

I don't see that you do. Certainly not by any comments you've made here.

Family is family. Some men I served with ARE my family.

[Fire Watch]

Oh I do.


No. You dont.

When I was laid up in the Naval hosp. at Camp Pendleton, Ca. due to injuries I received in combat, my civilian friends showed up with their "sorries", "man I wish you didn't have to go", "I know you believe in the mission, but dude, it sucks you got injured for nothing", "man I hope they pay you for the rest of your life", "dude, war sucks" and other such nonsense. My Marine Corps brothers simply showed to wish me a speedy recovery.

There are things that those who serve know and share that don't have to be expressed in words. We know each other on sight, we don't have to ask "where you there", we simply know. We know that politics don't mean **** on the battlefield. We know that regardless, for the rest of our lives we can trust each other with our lives and we can call each other day or night and we'll be there..wherever "there" is.

[GA_LP]

Speaking of Vets. There's a documentary on Vets who are back home after serving in Iraq, called "My War, My Story". It's been playing on the Documentary channel. The next time they play it is Wednesday. People should watch it.


Oh I do.

Even if Vet bonds are stronger than most non-Vet bonds, those descriptions of "civilian friends" are still wrong.

Where do you place family bonds in your hierarchy I wonder?My blood relatives are family by chance, but still family.

My brothers in arms are members of my family by CHOICE.

[rhet 2]

No. You dont.

When I was laid up in the Naval hosp. at Camp Pendleton, Ca. due to injuries I received in combat, my civilian friends showed up with their "sorries", "man I wish you didn't have to go", "I know you believe in the mission, but dude, it sucks you got injured for nothing", "man I hope they pay you for the rest of your life", "dude, war sucks" and other such nonsense. My Marine Corps brothers simply showed to wish me a speedy recovery.

There are things that those who serve know and share that don't have to be expressed in words. We know each other on sight, we don't have to ask "where you there", we simply know. We know that politics don't mean **** on the battlefield. We know that regardless, for the rest of our lives we can trust each other with our lives and we can call each other day or night and we'll be there..wherever "there" is.

And then there are civilians who try to get out of the Vet's way, let them do their jobs, shut up and pray like fury for God to protect them AND give them victory at one and the same time.

There isn't the same bond -- but there is deep respect for what real troops achieve. And the courage of a wife, a mother, a sweetheart, a friend to just hold still and let you guys go do what has to be done -- and wait quietly till you return to her arms again for just a few more days to cherish till you must leave her to do one more job for the nation you serve.

Thank you.

I pray the arms that hold you troops when the battle is done are soft and loving, gentle and wise, true and loyal. May her courage equal your own in every way.

[Claymore]

Splash out!
" Shift 50 right, fire for effect, Out!"

[meggers49]

Speaking of Vets. There's a documentary on Vets who are back home after serving in Iraq, called "My War, My Story". It's been playing on the Documentary channel. The next time they play it is Wednesday. People should watch it.


Oh I do.

Even if Vet bonds are stronger than most non-Vet bonds, those descriptions of "civilian friends" are still wrong.

Where do you place family bonds in your hierarchy I wonder?

they are not the same.

there is a difference between people you live with and love and are friends with in the regular world and people who you wade through **** and blood and hell and life and death with. They've seen the worst of life and made it through with you and they know things the rest of the world can't imagine.

you can try to tell people and they just look at you and think you are exaggerating. if you're talking about it when you're around people who have been there, they nod.

[Adlerian Thinker]

" Shift 50 right, fire for effect, Out!"

Heck with that. Fix bayonets, close with the enemy, kick his ass.

;)

[Claymore]

A few years ago I ran into an old platoon mate from 1977 that was on an ambulance crew with me for a few months. I asked him;
"Did they ever find that guy's foot?"
He knew immediately what I was talking about and we spent half an hour rehashing the accident where an ammo track had flipped of a Hohenfels tank trail in the middle of the night.

[rhet 2]

Heck with that. Fix bayonets, close with the enemy, kick his ass.

;)


Civilian to Vets:

I don't care how you do it, just get the Cult of Death Worshipers dead, asap.

[Adlerian Thinker]

A few years ago I ran into an old platoon mate from 1977 that was on an ambulance crew with me for a few months. I asked him;
"Did they ever find that guy's foot?"
He knew immediately what I was talking about and we spent half an hour rehashing the accident where an ammo track had flipped of a Hohenfels tank trail in the middle of the night.

Instant context. The veteran way.

[coyote1880]

In my days I have met others who were at "The Canal".

We did not need to speak other words.

We were instantly brothers and had a bond of trust.

To most, Red, Green, Blue, Orange and White are simply colors that have no need of capitalization.

To an Iwo vet, they have an other meaning.

Most do not think of sand and jungle interchangably.

To island hoppers from WWII they are different scenes of the same play.

There are not so many of my brothers yet with us.

But I am happy to say they are creating new ones every thirteen weeks.

This came after my time, but it is still sounding well.

Ooh-Rah!

[Adlerian Thinker]

Veterans will fully understand these next few posters.

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Trouble.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_BandofBrothers20.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_AirborneAttitude.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_AirborneAgenda.jpg

[Ravenmad]

Civilian Friends wonder all their lives if they’ve made a Difference
Vet Friends don’t have that problem

Ok so I reworded it a bit
:cool:

[BobB]

Veterans are like family they may bicker but are always there for each other. They celebrate together, sometimes cry together and sometimes die together.

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_AdvertisingSavvy.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Forgetfulness.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_QueenofBattle.jpg

[consusa]

All of which highlights the growing disconnect between civilians and military veterans. It's another reason for a universal draft. People with a shared experience in defending the country are going to be a lot less likely to get suckered by some con artist like Barack Obama (or Bill Clinton, or Al Gore, or John Kerry. despite his military service). Veterans understand far better than civilians what's at stake in Iraq and the war on terror. Everyone needs to share that understanding.

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/tn_Camaraderie.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_MissionBrief.jpg

[Crossriflesonblue]

Heck with that. Fix bayonets, close with the enemy, kick his ass.

;)

The Spirit of the bayonet is to kill....

[Adlerian Thinker]

The Spirit of the bayonet is to kill....

The ultimate form of ass kicking.

[Crossriflesonblue]

The ultimate form of ass kicking.

The Kiss
Siegfried Sassoon (1886–1967).

TO these I turn, in these I trust—
Brother Lead and Sister Steel.
To his blind power I make appeal,
I guard her beauty clean from rust.

He spins and burns and loves the air,
And splits a skull to win my praise;
But up the nobly marching days
She glitters naked, cold and fair.

Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this:
That in good fury he may feel
The body where he sets his heel
Quail from your downward darting kiss.

:mrgreen:

[Adlerian Thinker]

The Kiss
Siegfried Sassoon (1886–1967).

TO these I turn, in these I trust—
Brother Lead and Sister Steel.
To his blind power I make appeal,
I guard her beauty clean from rust.

He spins and burns and loves the air,
And splits a skull to win my praise;
But up the nobly marching days
She glitters naked, cold and fair.

Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this:
That in good fury he may feel
The body where he sets his heel
Quail from your downward darting kiss.

:mrgreen:
A veteran understands that, and appreciates it.
A civilian will shudder.

Great stuff!

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Bling.jpg

One of my favorites.....:mrgreen:

[GA_LP]

The Kiss
Siegfried Sassoon (1886–1967).

TO these I turn, in these I trust—
Brother Lead and Sister Steel.
To his blind power I make appeal,
I guard her beauty clean from rust.

He spins and burns and loves the air,
And splits a skull to win my praise;
But up the nobly marching days
She glitters naked, cold and fair.

Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this:
That in good fury he may feel
The body where he sets his heel
Quail from your downward darting kiss.

:mrgreen:I generally have no use for most poetry, but some amazing stuff came out of the trenches of WW1 and on both sides. Many of them realized that the war should have never been fought and weren't hesitant to say so out loud. What were their governments going to do, send them to the trenches?

[Adlerian Thinker]

I generally have no use for most poetry, but some amazing stuff came out of the trenches of WW1 and on both sides. Many of them realized that the war should have never been fought and weren't hesitant to say so out loud. What were their governments going to do, send them to the trenches?

Silence! I KEEL you!

[GA_LP]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Bling.jpg

One of my favorites.....:mrgreen:
The entire point of the M4 is to lighten the load. I can't believe how much crap they are hanging on them now. Just one more thing that will probably break when you need it the most; scope, lights, not to mention extra batteries for the damn things.

[Adlerian Thinker]

The entire point of the M4 is to lighten the load. I can't believe how much crap they are hanging on them now. Just one more thing that will probably break when you need it the most; scope, lights, not to mention extra batteries for the damn things.

I never carried one, but I would keep it as light as possible.

[GA_LP]

Silence! I KEEL you!
Okay Achmed. Say, aren't you a DEAD terrorist?

[Adlerian Thinker]

Okay Achmed. Say, aren't you a DEAD terrorist?

The best kind of terrorist! ;)

[Crossriflesonblue]

I generally have no use for most poetry, but some amazing stuff came out of the trenches of WW1 and on both sides. Many of them realized that the war should have never been fought and weren't hesitant to say so out loud. What were their governments going to do, send them to the trenches?

Reading this my first thought was...cadence ditties

it didn't take many frontal assaults on well prepared machine gun positions to find something wrong with that war....at least from a grunts point of view...which in that war was face down in the deepest hole possible....

[Crossriflesonblue]

A veteran understands that, and appreciates it.
A civilian will shudder.

Great stuff!

In it lies simple truth.....at least to a leg...

[Scott Adie]

CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Remember you're someone they once knew years ago that was probably a friend but are embarassed to approach because they can't remember your name.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Know your name, know your heart and long to continue a relationship that has never lost it's power in all the years you've been apart.

This isn't a commentary on something wrong with being a CIVILIAN. Not everyone has experienced the privilege of serving in the military and this old bit of prose just recognizes the differences.

Although my thoughts have changed over time, at one time in 1986, as I reflected back, this was what I thought:

A Soldier’s Song © Scott Adie 2009

Alone at times each day I stand
Melancholy and remorse
I’m set apart the world abides
Along it’s reckless course
Nameless faces trip my gaze
As fear comes back again
From a war fought long ago
Dare not become a friend
There are so many like me
Restless and confused
Who fought a war in Vietnam
Heartbroken and misused
Some have lived to middle age
Yet long ago have died
To all the joys America knows
And happiness and pride
As we alone in sorrow wept
The wretched tears of war
The land we loved for which we fought
Just turned and closed the door
Today some dare to breach the gap
A glimpse to gain inside
But where were they when we came home
Pleading to confide
Life rushes on its hurried way
We’re moving much to fast
We’re left behind unable to
Resolve the tempest past
Scars unhealing in its wake
A war that knows no end
Broken hearts and tattered dreams
Only God can mend

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_PredatorDrone.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Lust.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Angels.jpg

[coaster]

Civilians will read this post and wonder
Vets, will have trouble seeing through the damn mist.
Love the Airborne posters AT.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Civilians will read this post and wonder
Vets, will have trouble seeing through the damn mist.
Love the Airborne posters AT.

Thanks.

[coyote1880]

I am liking the "Predator Drone" poster myself.

I am laughing with this one.

[Adlerian Thinker]

I am liking the "Predator Drone" poster myself.

I am laughing with this one.

I am glad.

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Confidence.jpg

[Safiel]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Lust.jpg

Actually, he looks a little ill there. I think he might be reaching for the barf bag. :)

[riverrider]

Maybe he's lookin for the key to a 105s firing pin lock.......
RR

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/tn_StupidMilitia.jpg

[Crossriflesonblue]

Khe Sahn, 77 days in the crucible...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Blooper4Me/BurrowsVietnam-1.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/tn_heroes_2.jpg

[Crossriflesonblue]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Blooper4Me/pic2.jpg

There wern't no dang Marines on Heartbreak Ridge Gunny Hightower it was the 2nd Infantry Division...er there was one Marine, a downed pilot.

The Allies suffered 3,700 casualties on Heartbreak Ridge , it was the last Major UN offensive of the Korean War.

Pfc. Herbert K. Pililaau , a member of Company C, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and outstanding courage above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy. The enemy sent wave after wave of fanatical troops against his platoon which held a key terrain feature on "Heartbreak Ridge." Valiantly defending its position, the unit repulsed each attack until ammunition became practically exhausted and it was ordered to withdraw to a new position. Voluntarily remaining behind to cover the withdrawal, Pfc. Pililaau fired his automatic weapon into the ranks of the assailants, threw all his grenades and, with ammunition exhausted, closed with the foe in hand-to-hand combat, courageously fighting with his trench knife and bare fists until finally overcome and mortally wounded. When the position was subsequently retaken, more than 40 enemy dead were counted in the area he had so valiantly defended. His heroic devotion to duty, indomitable fighting spirit, and gallant self-sacrifice reflect the highest credit upon himself, the infantry, and the U.S. Army...

Pfc. Herbert K. Pililaau Never said

Be advised. I'm mean, nasty and tired. I eat concertina wire and **** napalm and I can put a round in a flea's ass at 200 meters.

But he was the real deal.....

[oncearangeralwaysaranger]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Blooper4Me/pic2.jpg

There wern't no dang Marines on Heartbreak Ridge Gunny Hightower it was the 2nd Infantry Division...er there was one Marine, a downed pilot.

The Allies suffered 3,700 casualties on Heartbreak Ridge , it was the last Major UN offensive of the Korean War.

Pfc. Herbert K. Pililaau , a member of Company C, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and outstanding courage above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy. The enemy sent wave after wave of fanatical troops against his platoon which held a key terrain feature on "Heartbreak Ridge." Valiantly defending its position, the unit repulsed each attack until ammunition became practically exhausted and it was ordered to withdraw to a new position. Voluntarily remaining behind to cover the withdrawal, Pfc. Pililaau fired his automatic weapon into the ranks of the assailants, threw all his grenades and, with ammunition exhausted, closed with the foe in hand-to-hand combat, courageously fighting with his trench knife and bare fists until finally overcome and mortally wounded. When the position was subsequently retaken, more than 40 enemy dead were counted in the area he had so valiantly defended. His heroic devotion to duty, indomitable fighting spirit, and gallant self-sacrifice reflect the highest credit upon himself, the infantry, and the U.S. Army...

Pfc. Herbert K. Pililaau Never said



But he was the real deal.....

One of the squads in my platoon had 4 Samoans and 3 Indians (2 Cherokee and 1 Shoshone) -- they lived for three things -- fighting, fornicating and drinking. And if they could get all of those in on a three day pass without having to call me or Top... it was a good weekend for them.

I assume PFC Pililaau was Samoan, if not, he was definitely from the same ilk. I believe him to be an absolute hero.

[Mohawk5]

I'm a civilian but I am forwarding this off to all of my friends that are vets and current members of the military.

[mildmannered]

I am with your ideals. My father didn't come back from Korea; my two brothers and I volunteered to fight for our country in '68, one past away and the other brother is dying from the remnants of 'Nam; my middle son volunteered and fought in Iraq. Three generations of patriots. Too many civilians will never understand.

"Lead by example" "How goes the Captain, so goes the ship"...

We need true Leadership, 'not some fly by night' rhetoric from a car salesman.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Truer words were ne'er spoken:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/02/it-is-about-fam.html

I have a good friend, a retired general officer, who served in the Pentagon during the invasion of Iraq and a year or so afterward. When I saw him at a reunion a year ago, he told me about duty at Dover in the course of our conversation. By that he meant that he and other generals at the Pentagon volunteered to go to Dover when aircraft carrying our dead warriors arrived and render them the honor they deserved. They did it on a rotating basis and in his opinion, it was the single highest honor they were afforded – the opportunity to pay their respects and render proper honors to those who had fallen.

I remember him having to pause a few times in his retelling, to sort of gather himself emotionally, and even then there was a bit of a crack in his voice or a glint of tear in his eye. An old Vietnam veteran, he knew personally how important this was to the military community. He also remembered how different it was in that distant war of his youth. That's why it was so vitally important to him that it be done right this time.

What struck me in his telling of his role in honoring our military dead was how intimate the act seemed. Everyone, without prompting, without complaining, without even the slightest hesitation, did all they could to ensure the proper respect, solemnity and care was given the remains of their brothers and sisters who had fallen in combat. Out of sight of anyone other than those on the ramp with them, they rendered the proper honors in a heartfelt way and with a precision meant to signify that this was a military hero for whom they were caring. It was the act of a loving and caring community, a family going through the grieving rituals which are particular to them.

What the military does at Dover isn't something just prescribed by some regulation or manual. It is something done because it is the right and honorable thing to do. It's is the last private and intimate act the military community as a whole renders its lost family member before it turns them over to the public at large. It is, in reality, the final goodbye, a ceremonial relinquishment of their fallen comrade to the nation at large. From that point onward, the affair is public - as public as the family and news media wants to make it.

And that's what has me puzzled about this media demand to intrude on these intense and intimately private moments at Dover. The argument is that filming and photographing the flag covered transfer cases as they arrive in Dover will drive home the real cost of war, and Americans have a right to know that. Of course there are plenty of pictures which are now in the public domain, shot and smuggled out of Dover which will make that point, if necessary. There's really not any necessity to have more of what will look precisely like the photos already in existence. They make the point about the cost of war as well as any new pictures might.

The cost of war can be made in many other ways as well. Pretending that photographs of arriving flag-draped transfer cases is the only real way to do so is simply laughable and demonstrates a dearth of imagination.

Instead, this seems this is more about the media than the cost of war. "The public's right to know" is thrown around like an amendment to the Constitution which should open all doors to their intrusive snooping, when in fact, such a "right" is one made up by the media for the media. The public knows the cost of war – many families have been touched by it throughout the history of our country. It doesn't require the media breaking in on private ceremonies to understand that. It is the public that bears the cost of war and always has.

No, this is about nothing more than media arrogance. It's a demand to be where they want to be whether wanted or not. It's a voyeuristic need to intrude upon and see what they been denied simply because it has been denied. Recording arriving dead at Dover won't illustrate the cost of war any better than it's been illustrated to date. But it will destroy the intimacy and privacy of our final goodbye.

For that reason, I pray that Secretary Gates and President Obama will continue the ban on the media at Dover. All families, to include the military family, need the room and time to grieve and say goodbye in their own special way to those they've lost.

Dover is ours.

[touchsj]

Amen

[USAF Medic]

What do vets fight for if it isn't the civilians that you belittle?

civilians ask these types of questions

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_F-22Raptor.jpg

[Crossriflesonblue]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Blooper4Me/HomecomingGI.jpg

Posted for my Grandson

One of my grandsons got back from deployment last night.....

A time of joy tempered with bittersweetness....

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Blooper4Me/HomecomingGI.jpg

Posted for my Grandson

One of my grandsons got back from deployment last night.....

A time of joy tempered with bittersweetness....

Give him our best!

[Crossriflesonblue]

Give him our best!

Ill buy him one at the Legion Hall for yall.

[Garrett]

I'm just a 14 year old kid, but I support the troops who work to protect our freedom and for those who don't support them to me you are not a true American.

[Adlerian Thinker]

I'm just a 14 year old kid, but I support the troops who work to protect our freedom and for those who don't support them to me you are not a true American.

Well said, kid.

[thr3]

What crap.

Most can apply to either,

[Adlerian Thinker]

What crap.

Most can apply to either,

Not so well said. :rolleyes:

[thr3]

I'm just a 14 year old kid, but I support the troops who work to protect our freedom and for those who don't support them to me you are not a true American.

Because at 14 you'd have a well rounded life experience and education to reach such a conclusion.

How profound.

:))

[Loyal American]

In process of reading entire thread and some of you crack me up but this......

Another friend sent a new Airman all over Lackland asking for a Fallopian Tube... until a female MSG put an end to that fun :mrgreen:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m108/BarbOOOO2/photos%202/throfl-1.gif

[coyote1880]

What crap.

Most can apply to either,

What crap indeed.

[Loyal American]

I don't get all those Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons. Just about all the veteran friend descriptions describe actual civilian friendships.I am a civilian and I understand that I can't understand because I've not walked in their boots! That simple!

[rhet 2]

I'm just a 14 year old kid, but I support the troops who work to protect our freedom and for those who don't support them to me you are not a true American.

And that makes you, son, Grandma Approved! I'll be very content to move over and let you take over when the time comes.

:clap:

BTW: go give whoever is raising you a salute. They've earned all the honor and respect we can give them for a job well done.

[thr3]

Not so well said. :rolleyes:

Were you expecting a literay great in response to this tripe?

Seriously?

Get a grip.

[thr3]

And that makes you, son, Grandma Approved!

.

Well. HUmm:))

[thr3]

What crap indeed.

I am glad you agree,

[Loyal American]

I'm just a 14 year old kid, but I support the troops who work to protect our freedom and for those who don't support them to me you are not a true American.First post, 14 years old and smart, great post! Welcome to the board!

[Loyal American]

What crap.

Most can apply to either,You know this because you've served? :think:

[Loyal American]

Because at 14 you'd have a well rounded life experience and education to reach such a conclusion.

How profound.

:))And then again.....he could be 14 with a beautiful life and his parents have taught him to honor those who have fought for him to have that beautiful life!

AND they have probably taught him good manners, which I think got left out of your up-bringing, perhaps!

[Loyal American]

AT, my mother use to tell me the sign of a good movie was when it could make you think, make you happy, make you cry, and make you angry...........so this thread was a very good show and was worth staying up till 2am to read it! Thank you!

All I can say is I don't claim to understand why our country has such brave men and women OR why they do the things they do NOR can I say I understand them at all! I just know that I thank God everyday for all our defenders, past and present! They may feel like they cover each others back but I have, as a civilian, always felt they were lookin' out for my back.........must be because I haven't lost my freedoms, liberties and I still speak English, worship as I please and I have never had to worry about IED's when walking my grandchildren to the park! It's a good life, I can never return the deed which really makes the heart ache but I do know who's responsible for my wonderful life!

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m108/BarbOOOO2/photos%202/thCoin1-3.gif

[coyote1880]

I am glad you agree,

Yes I am very much agreeing your post was a load of crap.

Are you having anything else for us?

We will not be having to buy fertilizer this year.

[coyote1880]

Because at 14 you'd have a well rounded life experience and education to reach such a conclusion.

How profound.

:))

You should not be so jealous of everyone.

It is not a good thing for your soul.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Because at 14 you'd have a well rounded life experience and education to reach such a conclusion.

How profound.

:))

Does that make you feel better?

[Adlerian Thinker]

Were you expecting a literay great in response to this tripe?

Seriously?

Get a grip.

I was expecting something thoughtful, not juvenile.

Get a grip yourself.

How about, if you can't substantially contribute, you buzz off?

Or do you need to put down a kid again to make you feel better?

[Adlerian Thinker]

I am glad you agree,

Those that know Coyote know the sarcasm with which it was posted.

For what special reason did you decide to troll here?

[coyote1880]

AT, my mother use to tell me the sign of a good movie was when it could make you think, make you happy, make you cry, and make you angry...........so this thread was a very good show and was worth staying up till 2am to read it! Thank you!

All I can say is I don't claim to understand why our country has such brave men and women OR why they do the things they do NOR can I say I understand them at all! I just know that I thank God everyday for all our defenders, past and present! They may feel like they cover each others back but I have, as a civilian, always felt they were lookin' out for my back.........must be because I haven't lost my freedoms, liberties and I still speak English, worship as I please and I have never had to worry about IED's when walking my grandchildren to the park! It's a good life, I can never return the deed which really makes the heart ache but I do know who's responsible for my wonderful life!

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LA,

You are claiming

"I don't claim to understand why our country has such brave men and women OR why they do the things they do NOR can I say I understand them at all"

And yet you go on to give a very good explaination of why.

I am thanking you for making my service worthwhile.

[Adlerian Thinker]

AT, my mother use to tell me the sign of a good movie was when it could make you think, make you happy, make you cry, and make you angry...........so this thread was a very good show and was worth staying up till 2am to read it! Thank you!

All I can say is I don't claim to understand why our country has such brave men and women OR why they do the things they do NOR can I say I understand them at all! I just know that I thank God everyday for all our defenders, past and present! They may feel like they cover each others back but I have, as a civilian, always felt they were lookin' out for my back.........must be because I haven't lost my freedoms, liberties and I still speak English, worship as I please and I have never had to worry about IED's when walking my grandchildren to the park! It's a good life, I can never return the deed which really makes the heart ache but I do know who's responsible for my wonderful life!

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m108/BarbOOOO2/photos%202/thCoin1-3.gif

:flag:

[rhet 2]

AT, my mother use to tell me the sign of a good movie was when it could make you think, make you happy, make you cry, and make you angry...........so this thread was a very good show and was worth staying up till 2am to read it! Thank you!

All I can say is I don't claim to understand why our country has such brave men and women OR why they do the things they do NOR can I say I understand them at all! I just know that I thank God everyday for all our defenders, past and present! They may feel like they cover each others back but I have, as a civilian, always felt they were lookin' out for my back.........must be because I haven't lost my freedoms, liberties and I still speak English, worship as I please and I have never had to worry about IED's when walking my grandchildren to the park! It's a good life, I can never return the deed which really makes the heart ache but I do know who's responsible for my wonderful life!

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m108/BarbOOOO2/photos%202/thCoin1-3.gif


Your eloquence humbles me, for you speak my own heart and mind.

Thank you, for you too serve. I am so very proud that you sent me one of the coins.

[Crossriflesonblue]

This is dedicated to the Brit, it was originally composed for another Brit with a "wide mouth" the good Lady Astor.....
who took it upon herself to denigrate the British Eighth Army during the Italian Campaign of WWII....

By the way the nickname stuck.....many Italian Campaign veterans used it as a kind of battle ribbon....a good example of Civilian Vs Veteran....


'D' DAY DODGERS

We are the D. Day Dodgers
Out in Italy,
Always on the Veno, Always on the spree
Eighth Army scroungers and their tanks
We live in Rome amongst the Yanks
We are the D.Day Dodgers
Out in Italy

We landed at Salerno, a holiday with pay,
The Gerry's brought the band out to greet us on our way
Showed us all the sights and gave us tea
We all sang songs the beer was free
To welcome D.Day Dodgers
To sunny Italy

Naples and Casino were taken in our stride
We didn't go to fight there we just went for the ride
Anzio and Sangra were just names
We went there just to look for dames
The artful D.Day Dodgers
Way out in Italy

On the way to Florence we had a lovely time
We ran a bus to Rimini right through the Gothic line
Soon to Bologna we will go and after that we'll cross the Po
We'll still be D.Day Dodgers
Way out in Italy

Once we heard a rumour that we were going home,
Back to dear old Blighty never more to roam
Then someone said in France you'll Fight
We said No fear we'll just sit tight
The Windy D.Day Dodgers
Way out in Italy

We hope the Second Army will soon get home on leave
After six months service its time for their repreive
But we can carry on out hear another two or three more years
Contented D.Day Dodgers
To stay in Italy

Dear Lady Astor you think you know a lot
Standing on a platform talking tommy rot
You're England's sweetheart and its pride
We think your mouth's open far too wide
That's from your D.Day Dodgers
In far off Italy

Look around the mountains in the mud and rain
You'll find the scattered crosses, there's some which have no name
Heartbreak and toil and suffering gone
The boys beneath them slumber on
Those are the D.Day Dodgers
Who stay in Italy.

[riverrider]

You know this because you've served? :think:

I figured a while back that he's not American. It was couple of years ago when he said that we were pawns. As I told him i would back then, after the thread was done (can't remember what it was), I never again spoke to him or answered any of his posts, not until he rethought his "pawns" remark, even when I was foolin around with a fun thread where he posted. Never happened, of course, doesn't have enough of what it takes to admit being wrong.
RR

[rhet 2]

I figured a while back that he's not American. It was couple of years ago when he said that we were pawns. As I told him i would back then, after the thread was done (can't remember what it was), I never again spoke to him or answered any of his posts, not until he rethought his "pawns" remark, even when I was foolin around with a fun thread where he posted. Never happened, of course, doesn't have enough of what it takes to admit being wrong.
RR

For over a century now, communist subversives in the Western media, "arts" industry, and even in the public schools have falsified history to create an America is Evil propaganda campaign world wide.

Most Americans haven't got clue one about the real history of their own nation, have never even read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, never stepped foot in a church or read the Bible -- all they've ever heard are stories about how vicious and cruel the Pilgrims were, how evil all Christians are, how imperialistic and violent American culture is, how we're all slavers and greedy nasty haters of poor Blacks in the KKK style.

And none of them stop to actually think about the other side of the story.

Because they've never been taught how to actually ANALYZE the information spewing out of somebody's mouth, recognize the difference between the truth and a partial lie, and realize that this nation is not as evil as the movies and the novels beginning with French romantic revolutionary imperialism make it out to be.

Our ancestors rejected European government and European culture -- and that ****ed off the Europeans. They've been trashing the United States since long before the Revolution because we refused to fawn over and live the same way they do.

And the Soviets are even more jealous and aggressively furious at our refusal to buy into Marxist stupidities and kowtow to the New Aristocracy of the PARTY.

A deliberate effort to destroy the precepts of Western humanism and con fools into returning to totalitarian imperialist government and accept the enrichment of the few, the impoverishment of the actual producers of the wealth taken by French-styled aristocratic politicians. Just like Stalin and Castro made themselves rich and the new elite at the top of the socio-political dog piles of Russia and Cuba.

[treadmill]

My wife and I are travelling to DC in a few weeks on business. We are making a point to visit the great patriotic sites as part of our continuing education about this greatest of lands. That process should never stop, AND, we should never, ever, take it for granted. For over a century now, communist subversives in the Western media, "arts" industry, and even in the public schools have falsified history to create an America is Evil propaganda campaign world wide.

Most Americans haven't got clue one about the real history of their own nation, have never even read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, never stepped foot in a church or read the Bible -- all they've ever heard are stories about how vicious and cruel the Pilgrims were, how evil all Christians are, how imperialistic and violent American culture is, how we're all slavers and greedy nasty haters of poor Blacks in the KKK style.

And none of them stop to actually think about the other side of the story.

Because they've never been taught how to actually ANALYZE the information spewing out of somebody's mouth, recognize the difference between the truth and a partial lie, and realize that this nation is not as evil as the movies and the novels beginning with French romantic revolutionary imperialism make it out to be.

Our ancestors rejected European government and European culture -- and that ****ed off the Europeans. They've been trashing the United States since long before the Revolution because we refused to fawn over and live the same way they do.

And the Soviets are even more jealous and aggressively furious at our refusal to buy into Marxist stupidities and kowtow to the New Aristocracy of the PARTY.

A deliberate effort to destroy the precepts of Western humanism and con fools into returning to totalitarian imperialist government and accept the enrichment of the few, the impoverishment of the actual producers of the wealth taken by French-styled aristocratic politicians. Just like Stalin and Castro made themselves rich and the new elite at the top of the socio-political dog piles of Russia and Cuba.

[rhet 2]

My wife and I are travelling to DC in a few weeks on business. We are making a point to visit the great patriotic sites as part of our continuing education about this greatest of lands. That process should never stop, AND, we should never, ever, take it for granted.

I envy you the trip And wish you were taking a whole lot of Ward Churchill Stupified college students with you -- just so they, too, could see the REAL America that brutal selfish apes like the so-not reverend Wright work damned hard to bury.

[Loyal American]

LA,

You are claiming

"I don't claim to understand why our country has such brave men and women OR why they do the things they do NOR can I say I understand them at all"

And yet you go on to give a very good explaination of why.
Indeed, you are correct and I would never disagree with a Marine because I understand they like to break things! :angel:

I am thanking you for making my service worthwhile.
You are a hero to my family! We live in the best country in the world because you and your brothers answered the call to preserve her and our way of life! There isn't anything I can possibly think of that would be more worthwhile than that! :flag:

[Loyal American]

I figured a while back that he's not American. It was couple of years ago when he said that we were pawns. As I told him i would back then, after the thread was done (can't remember what it was), I never again spoke to him or answered any of his posts, not until he rethought his "pawns" remark, even when I was foolin around with a fun thread where he posted. Never happened, of course, doesn't have enough of what it takes to admit being wrong.
RRHe needs a serious attitude adjustment that's for sure! AND just maybe he could adopt the "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" policy! ;)

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Fire Watch]

I am glad you agree,
I agree that you've crossed the line. You're gone. How about that crap?

[GA_LP]

I agree that you've crossed the line. You're gone. How about that crap?
Pull!

And another pair of clean breaks by Fire Watch, both high and low clays. :D

[Claymore]

I was in the surplus store and one of the clerks was trying to sell me MREs.
I asked him if he had any C-rat ham & lima beans. That opened up a rather enjoyable conversation between 4 or 5 other customers, strangers all, who sounded like they had known each other all their lives. The civilian bystanders watched on with amusement and envy. This handful of strangers were joking like old friends, remembering things from 30 + years ago, a common link between uncommon men.

[riverrider]

I agree that you've crossed the line. You're gone. How about that crap?

Ooh-Rah!

(Though it's too bad when it has to be done. . . . Okay, back to to work.)
RR

[coyote1880]

I was in the surplus store and one of the clerks was trying to sell me MREs.
I asked him if he had any C-rat ham & lima beans. That opened up a rather enjoyable conversation between 4 or 5 other customers, strangers all, who sounded like they had known each other all their lives. The civilian bystanders watched on with amusement and envy. This handful of strangers were joking like old friends, remembering things from 30 + years ago, a common link between uncommon men.

You had ham and lima beans?

How could you tell?

Many time we ate better when our packs went empty.

More than once we chased down a wild pig.

Raiders ate first.

But only because they did not wait to cook it.

In fact, I am not really sure they skinned it first.

[riverrider]

You had ham and lima beans?

How could you tell?

Many time we ate better when our packs went empty.

More than once we chased down a wild pig.

Raiders ate first.

But only because they did not wait to cook it.

In fact, I am not really sure they skinned it first.
Yes . . . I've heard whispered stories...........



:)

[Richard T Lewis]

I am a proud veteran of the United States Navy. i love being a civilian but the life of a navy sailor is everlasting. I've seen sights, love and war while in the Navy. Met people from all over the country and the world. If You have never served, You will never understand. RTL

[grhayes]

My father and I both served in the armed forces he was Air Force and I was Navy.

I think one of the greatest things about vets is the understanding for the need of those who sacrifice. Why it is necessary for some to stand up even though many don't. We understand what it is we give and loose and what we are protecting. What all men and women of the armed forces are there to protect.

I also find it an absolute insult for someone like Barrack Hussein Obama to be elected. I will never accept this filth (notice I do not consider him worthy of being called a man) as president. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin it has to do with his utter lack of morals and repugnant character, disrespect for this country, the military and the men and women who serve it.

We all swore an oath to protect this country against foreign and domestic enemies he is the absolute epitome of that definition.

[coyote1880]

My father and I both served in the armed forces he was Air Force and I was Navy.

Air Force and Navy?

Well I guess they qualify as armed forces.

Sort of.

Just kidding.

Welcome aboard.

[Crossriflesonblue]

You had ham and lima beans?

How could you tell?

Many time we ate better when our packs went empty.

More than once we chased down a wild pig.

Raiders ate first.

But only because they did not wait to cook it.

In fact, I am not really sure they skinned it first.

Any Texans in that bunch, there are old stories about wild pigs being killed in Texas bearing old scars resembling human bite marks....

[Adlerian Thinker]

I was in the surplus store and one of the clerks was trying to sell me MREs.
I asked him if he had any C-rat ham & lima beans. That opened up a rather enjoyable conversation between 4 or 5 other customers, strangers all, who sounded like they had known each other all their lives. The civilian bystanders watched on with amusement and envy. This handful of strangers were joking like old friends, remembering things from 30 + years ago, a common link between uncommon men.

I actually enjoyed the eggs and ham, green as they were....

[coyote1880]

Any Texans in that bunch, there are old stories about wild pigs being killed in Texas bearing old scars resembling human bite marks....

Well Carlson was from New York.

And of course James Roosevelt was also.

Red Mike was from Vermont.

Liversedge was from California.


But I am sure they had a few Texans under thier command.

[coaster]

Just be glad Sneaky wasn't along or it would have been snake for dinner. Before they could get it cooked.
A civilian friend will bail you out when you get in trouble
A GI buddy will be sitting next to you saying Damn that was fun...

[Beowulf]

For all the Hannity Vets.

I found this on BlackFive: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/01/old-friends.html

Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons

CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Get upset if you're too busy to talk to them for a week.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are glad to see you after years, and will happily carry on the same conversation you were having the last time you met.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have never seen you cry.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have cried with you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Keep your stuff so long they forget it's yours.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Borrow your stuff for a few days then give it back.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Know a few things about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Could write a book with direct quotes from you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will leave you behind if that's what the crowd is doing.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will kick the crowd's ass that left you behind.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Are for a while.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are for life.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have shared a few experiences...
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have shared a lifetime of experiences no citizen could ever dream of...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will take your drink away when they think you've had enough.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will look at you stumbling all over the place and say, 'You better drink the rest of that before you spill it!' Then carry you home safely and put you to bed...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will talk crap to the person who talks crap about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will knock them the hell out OF THEM...for using your name in vain.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will ignore this.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will forward this.
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A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or reserve, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The Government of the United States of America' for an amount of 'up to and including my life'. . . and military wives are as much veterans as their spouses.Boy ain't that the truth.

[coyote1880]

Just be glad Sneaky wasn't along or it would have been snake for dinner. Before they could get it cooked.
A civilian friend will bail you out when you get in trouble
A GI buddy will be sitting next to you saying Damn that was fun...

Ummm,

What would be wrong with snake?

Sunday dinner to a Dine.

:)

[Beowulf]

Military elitists.Ooohh-Raahh and Semper-Fi.

[Beowulf]

Universal jokes a civilian won't get,,,


Butterbar, Har Har!

I know, Sir, but my compass has more time in country than your compass.

Tracers! What idiot issued tracers?

Don't ask what it is, just eat it.Or my personal favorite, just for the boot's, go ask the Sgt. Maj. for a box of grid squares ASAP.

[Beowulf]

The first time my Drill Sergeant said to make a police call, I asked for the number of the MP's.

My Drill Sergeant did NOT suffer fools gladly.......:)):))

[Beowulf]

All of which highlights the growing disconnect between civilians and military veterans. It's another reason for a universal draft. People with a shared experience in defending the country are going to be a lot less likely to get suckered by some con artist like Barack Obama (or Bill Clinton, or Al Gore, or John Kerry. despite his military service). Veterans understand far better than civilians what's at stake in Iraq and the war on terror. Everyone needs to share that understanding.In all honesty, I think it would be better to keep the military voluntary. Simply because the person who voluteered is the one you can count on in a fox hole, the one who was forced to join will simply run at the first chance he gets or the first sign of trouble.

[Beowulf]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Confidence.jpgLol, my first duty station, one of my best friends there, Frank Dow, could play the hell out of some playstation. He was a hell of a Marine to.

[grhayes]

In all honesty, I think it would be better to keep the military voluntary. Simply because the person who voluteered is the one you can count on in a fox hole, the one who was forced to join will simply run at the first chance he gets or the first sign of trouble.

Not exactly entirely true. It does have some basis but not enough to be all encompassing. Plenty of countries have required military service Israel, Germany and others.

The training in basic and so on is where those usually get weeded out who may run. But in most cases they end up learning a lot of core values such as integrity and covering one another's backs and team work and courage and a hell of a lot more. Tell me what society couldn't benefit from more of that?

However, this is a country that places freedom first. One of those freedoms is the right to choose if you will server or not. However, if Obama has his way expect a lot of freedoms to be taken away.

Just read change.gov how he wants to enslave the retired and the children to work for him.

[coaster]

Ummm,

What would be wrong with snake?

Sunday dinner to a Dine.

:)
Yeah but the Dine cook it first... Rattler is great when cooked properly.
Not sure about SF kinda guys. Since I served as part of the Support Contingent I gotta kid the guys on the Teams. And yes it is because I am jealous.

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[grhayes]

As a vet I do have one issue with this post even though I do agree there is a fundamental difference between vets and civilians in a large part but not a complete part.

First, serving our country can be done by more than joining the military. But that said putting oneself in harms way to defend all citizens liberties is with out a doubt the choice of those with the greatest of convictions and strength of spirit.

Whatever happens in the near future remember it will take civilians along side vets to rebuild this nation as Obama tries to tear it down around us.

[Dave]

Or my personal favorite, just for the boot's, go ask the Sgt. Maj. for a box of grid squares ASAP.
We told the noobs to get us a metric adjustable wrenches and wire stretchers, different branch same stupid assed jokes.

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Sneaky SF Dude]

When I was a young CAP in the 82nd Airplane Gang, my unit was having the first jump since my arrival. The 1SGT told me to run to the DIV CSM's office (about 2 miles one way) and get the keys to the DZ. In those days in that unit one did not reason why, but rather did or died. Off I went. The DIV CSM (after waiting for some time, a PVT does not bop into a CSM's office) ordered me to "Go back and tell that son of a bitch I gave him those keys a week ago and he never returned them!" Away I went. One did not walk anywhere when one was a CAP in the 82nd Airplane Gang - Airborne Shuffle or standing at parade rest being the only two speeds. 1SGT demanded I repeat the message verbatim - which I did. After doing my obligatory lowering of the Ft. Bragg water table for being a foul-mouthed cherry, I was sent back to inform the CSM that he must be mistaken as the First Shirt ALWAYS returned that which was borrowed.

All in all I probably made 6 trips. On the last one the 1SGT said "Well, he ain't very bright but there ain't no quit in him."

I later found out they had served in Vietnam together and were coordinating over the phone the whole time.

[coyote1880]

:)

So much fun being the new man.

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Reliability.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/tn_Gratitude.jpg

[E7ALR]

When I was a young CAP in the 82nd Airplane Gang, my unit was having the first jump since my arrival. The 1SGT told me to run to the DIV CSM's office (about 2 miles one way) and get the keys to the DZ. In those days in that unit one did not reason why, but rather did or died. Off I went. The DIV CSM (after waiting for some time, a PVT does not bop into a CSM's office) ordered me to "Go back and tell that son of a bitch I gave him those keys a week ago and he never returned them!" Away I went. One did not walk anywhere when one was a CAP in the 82nd Airplane Gang - Airborne Shuffle or standing at parade rest being the only two speeds. 1SGT demanded I repeat the message verbatim - which I did. After doing my obligatory lowering of the Ft. Bragg water table for being a foul-mouthed cherry, I was sent back to inform the CSM that he must be mistaken as the First Shirt ALWAYS returned that which was borrowed.

All in all I probably made 6 trips. On the last one the 1SGT said "Well, he ain't very bright but there ain't no quit in him."

I later found out they had served in Vietnam together and were coordinating over the phone the whole time.Some things in the Army never change.:D

[GOP-STORM]

:flag:My drill instructor at lackland afb 25 yrs ago loved to have fun with people that couldn't follow simple commands. He would get in your face and say, 1) he'd say," the only difference between you and a civilian is you're wearing a uniform!" 2) hey numbnuts were you last in line when god was handing out brains!" 3) last but not least," if your parents were to see you now they would be embarassed,and if you dad could turn back time he'd would've rolled over and shot you out the window!" my drill instructor had a big dislike towards failures and quitters. He'd drill us hard and ran us into the ground, and in the end, we all made it. Nobody failed or quit, after graduation he said to us," men, after the hell i put you through these last 6 weeks i must say that i am proud of each and every man in this flight. Nobody failed and most of all nobody "quit". Which only proves that we can overcome any challanges that life throws at us." that's what makes gi's to be very special human beings.

[Claymore]

You know how to get a country boy to step out of a C130 over frozen Hohenfels at 0400 on a January morning?
The jumpmaster yells:

"STAND IN THE DOOR! COFFEE AND EGGS ARE WAITING ON THE FLOOR!
GREEN LIGHT!!"

[Claymore]

Grrrr......


Worked for me.:D

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Crossriflesonblue]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Ex-Marine.jpg

:)):))

[Adlerian Thinker]

:)):))

;)

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

An example from Blackfive that clearly shows the difference:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/04/master-sergeant-awarded-bronze-starthirty-eight-years-later.html

"I'm not sure how the delay happened, but a Master Sergeant who served in Vietnam is being awarded a Bronze Star on Saturday, April 4th, 2009, at 1400 (2PM EST) at Virginia Tech's Inn.

Marvin Caldwell was a Platoon Sergeant in the 360th Transportation Company (262nd Quartermaster Battalion). From August 1969 to May 1970 (Tet Counteroffensive), SFC Caldwell ran convoys to the FOBs when enemy activity was heating up significantly. He is being recognized for have saving lives by his quick thinking and ability to protect his convoys which were constantly under fire from direct attacks, indirect fire and ambushes. He retired as a Master Sergeant.

The interesting item is that when the current leadership of the 262nd (at Fort Lee, I believe) heard about this lost award finally being recognized, the command structure went into action and the Brigade Commander, Battalion Commander, Battalion Command Sergeant Major, the color guard, and soldiers from the unit will be travelling to VA Tech to present the award...to a soldier they don't know and never met. He was one of them 38 years ago and will be one of them again on Saturday.

That's family."

Huah!

[crux]

Left Right Leeefty.... Double Time


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMuzqWcvr6c&feature=related


Jody has got your Cadillac.

I wanna be a drill instructor...I am going to cut off all of your hair.

Lefty Double Time.

:)

[Adlerian Thinker]

Check this out: (http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/Abbthom1/?action=view&current=USTROOPS-1.flv)

A tribute essay to the troops, in the 21st Century...Music by Tangerine Dream

Huah.

[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

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[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Gratitude-1.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_HeroesLeadfromtheFront.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Godspeed.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Hero.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_Grief.jpg

[Adlerian Thinker]

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/sargesatt/Military/tn_ANationsGratitude.jpg