More of BSG 16 Jan 2009

[notluzn]

After a long wait, it's back. For some reason i don't think they made it to earth bacasue something that Starbuck said when she all of a sudden makes it back to Galactica. 402 episode. talked about the star in the planetary system. I'll rewatch it tonight that part and make sure. So this Friday it's back.

I also heard talk about another 2 hour movie planned for Aug 2009. we shall see.

[notluzn]

Good Showing. Now more questions. :)) A hottie died :)) I don't think it was Earth that they found. I have a feeling that some more advance civilization is at work here. Maybe real Earth.

[ImNewHere]

I didn't get a damn thing in that episode. Was that a dream on the planet? Were those actual memories? Why did the chick cap herself? How could Starbuck cremate herself? I just don't get it. I don't get a damn thing.

[GA_LP]

I'm not sure what they were trying to do. Part of their little trip into metaphysics may be to explain how the original Cylons were reincarnated into new bodies naturally, now accomplished with technology. Past lives may be the reason for the memories they were experiencing.

I think the reason for Dualla's (sp?) suicide was probably that their search for Earth led to a destroyed planet and she had lost all hope.

Other than that, the one overiding thing that I was thinking all night was "Huh?"

[ImNewHere]

Other than that, the one overiding thing that I was thinking all night was "Huh?"

Me too. I was thinking the Admiral was going to cap the one-eyed XO, but put the pistol to his own head?

Were they drunk when they wrote this episode?

[GA_LP]

Me too. I was thinking the Admiral was going to cap the one-eyed XO, but put the pistol to his own head?

Were they drunk when they wrote this episode?
Or ingesting an illegal substance. The majority of it was totally disconnected and STRANGE. :eh: :confused:

Oh, and Ellen Tigh as the final Cylon? A BIG raspberry to the producers for that nonsense.

[ImNewHere]

Where the hell is notluzn? He started this conversation, then he just bailed.

C'mon, notluzn!! What's going on here? Throw us a bone, dude!

[Haplo]

I never could get into this remake

[Quid]

Oh, and Ellen Tigh as the final Cylon? A BIG raspberry to the producers for that nonsense.

They have foreshadowed that one from season one! I refer you to the episode "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down" and to Baltar's statement at the end of it.

[JediMindTrick]

I almost think the reveal at the end with Ellen being the 5th is a red herring and was just a drunk induced dream of Tighs.

However, they may have revealed Starbuck as the 5th as that could explain her cremated body. Possibly the final five can only resurrect from a special resurrection ship that they are now near and she was somehow near when they she died the first time.

I'm wondering though if they are all cylons and the "five" are just original models. Could be that we'll be seeing Dualla come back in a few episodes.

[American Autobot]

I'm still shocked as Dee's killing herself. I wasn't expecting it. I thought for sure they were setting her up to be the final Cylon and then BAM!
Starbuck finding her body raised a lot of questions for me, one of which is "Is she a Cylon now, if she was human before her death in season 3?"
Ellen as the final Cylon seems to be like the writers got stuck, and just picked a dead character.

So, the entire population of Earth was Cylon, and there looks to be a lot more than 12 models in Tryol's flashback.
Maybe we'll find out Cylons created humans in the last time cycle?

[JediMindTrick]

Saw an interesting theory about Ellen which would make her a cylon while not being the 5th and that is that Ellen is merely an old version of Six. That might explain why Tigh keeps having visions of Six with Ellen's face and why he's become so obsessed with Six lately.

[uncledoom]

My theory...everyone on that show is a Cylon. The "humans" are a different version that have found a way to procreate and decided long ago to not be reborn or rebirthed or whatever they call it.

Or

What happened on "Earth" is what happened on Caprica. The "humans" settle on a planet, build Cylons, the Cylons revolt, the humans leave, find another planet...a couple thousand years later, it happens again....kinda like the theory behind the Matrix.

[Clamp]

This is sort of what I was thinking. An endless loop type scenario.

I did find it odd that they found a centurion head in with the rest of the cylon skeletons though...

[GA_LP]

They have foreshadowed that one from season one! I refer you to the episode "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down" and to Baltar's statement at the end of it.
I don't remember that one. I'll have to track down the episode and review it.

[JediMindTrick]

They have foreshadowed that one from season one! I refer you to the episode "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down" and to Baltar's statement at the end of it.

Baltar's Statement could also fit in the idea that Ellen is an old version of Six.

[notluzn]

Unless the Ron lied to us to through us off because the poster that they had up said that the 5th would not be in that poster. Kara?

Ok real Earth Humans built the Centurions Cylons and the Cylons went to war with humans. Humans won and Centurions Cylons left to create their own Earth. Centerions create human looking Cylons (final 5) and ended up going to war with each other and only 5 models survived. The (5)Human Cylons left to find new homes and founds 12 new planets and none found real Earth and were able to procreate. Human Cylons create new Centurions Cylons and go to war with them again. After 100 years of War, the Centurions Cylons left and found a new home. Now Centurions Cylons create the new 8 Human Cylons. The new Human Cylons attack the replicated natural Cylons "Everyone" and now where here.. So they keep saying, it happen again and Again... The Original 8 only know of 5 models and have no information about Starbuck.

Now they are back to the original Cylon Eather and Will find the Human Earth. Man Im just guess but you can get what Im saying.

I think Starbuck started the original war with humans. I'm guess that Humans are 5 thousand Years or more advanced than where Galactica is. My head is spinning

[notluzn]

Where the hell is notluzn? He started this conversation, then he just bailed.

C'mon, notluzn!! What's going on here? Throw us a bone, dude!

Man it's some good writting on part of Ron.

[notluzn]

Ok Leoben Conoy is now affraid of Starbuck. Maybe Leoben Conoy is a clue.

[uncledoom]

Off topic venting:

How is it that BSG is so good and the Bionic Woman was so ****ty?!?!

[notluzn]

Off topic venting:

How is it that BSG is so good and the Bionic Woman was so ****ty?!?!The Topic, Actors, and Writers. BSG has a purpose and BW doesnt'

[Dual867PowerMac]

You should try out for a role on the series.

[ImNewHere]

Off topic venting:

How is it that BSG is so good and the Bionic Woman was so ****ty?!?!

Women are hotter on BSG.

[Quid]

Baltar's Statement could also fit in the idea that Ellen is an old version of Six.

Don't you think that Tigh would have noticed that the Six's bear a striking resemblance to what his wife looked like 30 years before? and don't you think Ellen would have noticed that the Six's look like her on New Caprica?

[JediMindTrick]

Don't you think that Tigh would have noticed that the Six's bear a striking resemblance to what his wife looked like 30 years before? and don't you think Ellen would have noticed that the Six's look like her on New Caprica?

Tigh kept seeing Ellen's face on Six and then started having sex with a Six. I'd say Tigh noticed subconciously.

And the Six models might be programmed to not recognize the original model they are based off of just like they didn't know who the final five were.

[Quid]

Tigh kept seeing Ellen's face on Six and then started having sex with a Six. I'd say Tigh noticed subconciously.

And the Six models might be programmed to not recognize the original model they are based off of just like they didn't know who the final five were.

I think Tigh was just experiencing a mental break down or unconsciously using the Cylon projection ability to see what he wanted to see.

[JediMindTrick]

An interesting article / interview with Ron Moore and other creators of the show. Its non spoilerish so its safe to read. Its also rather intriguing in that they admit they made up a lot of this as they go with no clear plan of where they were going (the series has been finished so I use past tense).

- For instance, the whole Final Five thing wasn't even conceived of until Season 3. In fact it wasn't intended at all and only came to be because they realized they'd written themselves into a corner when Baltar was taken to live with the Cylons and would have undoubtedly come into contact with the remaining five models.

So as the credits say "The cylons have a plan" but apparently the writers didn't.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html

They also say this last episode isn't the darkest or most depressing this season.

[notluzn]

Thats why I don't believe that there were only 5. I will say Ron is a genius writer.

An interesting article / interview with Ron Moore and other creators of the show. Its non spoilerish so its safe to read. Its also rather intriguing in that they admit they made up a lot of this as they go with no clear plan of where they were going (the series has been finished so I use past tense).

- For instance, the whole Final Five thing wasn't even conceived of until Season 3. In fact it wasn't intended at all and only came to be because they realized they'd written themselves into a corner when Baltar was taken to live with the Cylons and would have undoubtedly come into contact with the remaining five models.

So as the credits say "The cylons have a plan" but apparently the writers didn't.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html

They also say this last episode isn't the darkest or most depressing this season.

[notluzn]

Curious of the plot tonight. A coup by the VP?

[American Autobot]

I'm not surprised. Tom Zarek has been quite as of late. I'll bet he wants to take over the Fleet after the disapointment Earth was.

[pictor]

Having read an interview with the director, it was earth, and it is Ellen (yes, he could have lied, but he's more likely to just say "I'm not telling" if he didn't want to confirm it).

I am excited to see where it goes.

[pictor]

Saw an interesting theory about Ellen which would make her a cylon while not being the 5th and that is that Ellen is merely an old version of Six. That might explain why Tigh keeps having visions of Six with Ellen's face and why he's become so obsessed with Six lately.
....er...that just broke my mind.

If she's just an aged version of six, then Tigh would have recognized that (since he'd have know Ellen when she's younger). If you mean an old decommisioned model, well I just have to go hmmmmmm

[pictor]

I am idly curious as to people's opinions of Gaeta being gay...but at the same time, this isn't the forum to start a political discussion, so feel free to ignore this comment.

[notluzn]

I don't think it was Human Earth. Now there is a prejudice between the Humans and Human Cylons. Geata started it off so far.

[American Autobot]

Gaeta is really starting to tick me off.
He's a bigger traitor than Gaius Baltar ever was.

[notluzn]

Well what a mess thing are becoming. I understand Geata's frustration as well.

Im not sure what people complaint is about wanting to be able to Jump triple the distance with Cylon technology. I could never see that large of vote against it. Another thing, it doesnt seem that the Basestars need much Tylian for fuel either. All these people are in Depression state

[GA_LP]

Gaeta is really starting to tick me off.
He's a bigger traitor than Gaius Baltar ever was.
Baltar made an arrogant decision to allow Caprica 6 access to the computer system. Gaeta has made a conscious decision to foment and commit mutiny. He needs his artifical leg shoved into his nether regions.

[American Autobot]

Baltar made an arrogant decision to allow Caprica 6 access to the computer system. Gaeta has made a conscious decision to foment and commit mutiny. He needs his artifical leg shoved into his nether regions.

That's what I'm saying. Even back on New Caprica, Baltar did what he did to keep the Cylons from nuking the place. Gaeta's just angry becasue he found out that 8 was using him.

[ImNewHere]

Well what a mess thing are becoming. I understand Geata's frustration as well.

Cylons are reproducing. They're all Cylons. The final Cylon is all of them. Gotta hand it to the old drunk guy for tapping the hot blonde Cylon!!

[notluzn]

Cylons are reproducing. They're all Cylons. The final Cylon is all of them. Gotta hand it to the old drunk guy for tapping the hot blonde Cylon!! The question is, why aren't the Human Cylons resurrecting and why did Chief and Col get resurrected and where is that ship? Unanswered questions

[ImNewHere]

The question is, why aren't the Human Cylons resurrecting and why did Chief and Col get resurrected and where is that ship? Unanswered questions

I thought the resurrection ship got nuked and they couldn't do that anymore.

[notluzn]

I thought the resurrection ship got nuked and they couldn't do that anymore.
I'm talking about the one that resurrected Starbuck.

I'm still not believeing that they found Earth. Ron gave us no identifing details of the planet like they did at the end of season 3.0 where they showed the United States.

[Quid]

I'm talking about the one that resurrected Starbuck.

I'm still not believeing that they found Earth. Ron gave us no identifing details of the planet like they did at the end of season 3.0 where they showed the United States.


This whole thing about a "Second Earth, The Human Earth" is just a little tantrum because what was revealed in the show doesn't conform to what was expected. "So there must be another Earth [that conforms to my expectations]!" Get over it, there is only one Earth, and they found it, and it is god-awful.

[notluzn]

Damn Gaeta. Man Im ****ed. Good Job StarBuck

[notluzn]

Music playing again

[notluzn]

Oh MAn

[notluzn]

I feel a Hate crime coming LOL

[GA_LP]

They better have a long, slow and extremely painful fate for Gaeta. This wishy washy ***** thinks that HE, and that power mad psychotic Zarek, are qualified to save humanity?

[notluzn]

I see Galactica getting blown up now. I think this is the fate of it. Hope Im wrong.

[GA_LP]

Too many of the marines are going along with this to be totally believable. I wonder how many of them are originally from Pegasus?

[notluzn]

Too many of the marines are going along with this to be totally believable. I wonder how many of them are originally from Pegasus?
most likely many. Pegasus was almost fully maned when Docked. Galactica was being decommissioned. But there is still Lee and Starbuck loose on Galactica. They will free the people in the brigg and take Galactica back over but Col is dead and Odama is getting blasted out the Airlock. Lets pray not.

[sgtmac_46]

I have to say that this season is the best one of all, and last nights episode the best single episode of the series! I was on the edge of my seat from beginning to end........

......and I hope someone blows Gaeta's other leg off.....

[ImNewHere]

I'm talking about the one that resurrected Starbuck.


Duh. I guess that's how she was able to see her wrecked ship. :rolleyes:

Forgive me, I'm a little slow with this show.

But wasn't her ship completely new when she returned? Do the vipers have their own resurrection ship when they crash? ;)

[GA_LP]

I have to say that this season is the best one of all, and last nights episode the best single episode of the series! I was on the edge of my seat from beginning to end........

......and I hope someone blows Gaeta's other leg off.....
Actually, I'm hoping either Starbuck or Lee Adama beat him into oblivion with his metal leg, then frame the leg and mount it in the CIC somewhere as a reminder. I also can't wait for Roselyn to start kicking ass- she's ****ED. :twisted::twisted::twisted:

[notluzn]

Duh. I guess that's how she was able to see her wrecked ship. :rolleyes:

Forgive me, I'm a little slow with this show.

But wasn't her ship completely new when she returned? Do the vipers have their own resurrection ship when they crash? ;)

Because Real Earth is still out there.. Won't know till the end. Right now I want Gaeta dead.:D

[notluzn]

From Scifi.com
To the OP, it has been discussed a lot. I believe it's not Earth, the two best arguments are as follows:

(1) At the end of season 3 (when Starbuck returns) they zoom out and back in to show us the Earth we know, complete with North America front and center. When they reach "Earth" at Revelations, they go through great pains not to show any recognizable land mass from orbit, or the moon, or surrounding planets. We don't really have anything lead-pipe-lock solid to identify this as the Earth we know.

(2) People have gone through great lengths to analyze the star patterns used in the show. Remember when they found the Tomb of Athena which pointed the way to Earth? The 12 astrological signs, or more accurately the constellations bearing their names, were slightly warped from what we know here on real Earth. That could be because of time or distance being off from what we know. When the fleet arrives at "Earth", the star patterns match the warped patterns we saw at the Tomb. Meanwhile, people have noticed that star patterns shown earlier (either during the Hub mission or the Cylon Civil War) exactly match the patterns we know from real Earth, and I think when Kara found the rouge BaseStar it was in orbit around a gas giant that looked a lot like Jupiter and may have in fact been Jupiter. There are a few signs that they stumbled past real Earth along the way to this other planet. Which suggest the "Earth" they found may have been a "new Earth" settled by someone a long time ago -- maybe us, maybe Cylons.

Other tidbits to consider:

- Kara's instinct was guiding her to Earth since her return from the dead, but in the end the instinctive guide went away (because we went away from Earth, possibly) and we find it with the transponder from her former self's crashed ship, not with her mysterious spider sense. How could something that overrided her life for several episodes just go away? Bad continuity, or a clue?

- If they found real Earth, even if it was a wasteland I have a hard time believing they wouldn't linger around to catch their breath, come up with a new plan, and figure out what happened. Even if the planet is wasted, it's a huge clue to their past and a blow to their mythology, it merits further study.

[Arya]

Because Real Earth is still out there.. Won't know till the end. Right now I want Gaeta dead.:D

Oh this show is getting more interesting with each episode.

I would love to see Gaeta get what he deserves-from Adama preferrably.

I do wonder how they're going to twist real Earth from the rock they're on now. So far the plotlines are good, and I hope they continue.

[notluzn]

The only fear from all of the BSG fans, is how the ending is and how Ron Moores makes it happen. Almost every show has a terrible ending. BTW, Tom Zarek reminds me of Obama

Oh this show is getting more interesting with each episode.

I would love to see Gaeta get what he deserves-from Adama preferrably.

I do wonder how they're going to twist real Earth from the rock they're on now. So far the plotlines are good, and I hope they continue.

[ImNewHere]

The only fear from all of the BSG fans, is how the ending is and how Ron Moores makes it happen. Almost every show has a terrible ending. BTW, Tom Zarek reminds me of Obama

That is an insult to Zarek.

[Arya]

The only fear from all of the BSG fans, is how the ending is and how Ron Moores makes it happen. Almost every show has a terrible ending. BTW, Tom Zarek reminds me of Obama

Yea-I just don't know how he's going to end this one.

And I hate to say it, Obama reminds me of Obama-is he real, or just an illusion?

[notluzn]

that is an insult to zarek.
lol

[American Autobot]

I'm really hoping someone puts a bullet between Gaeta's eyes.
Don't forget, he was playing both sides on New Caprica.
And yeah, Zarek also reminds me of Obama.

[notluzn]

I'm really hoping someone puts a bullet between Gaeta's eyes.
Don't forget, he was playing both sides on New Caprica.
And yeah, Zarek also reminds me of Obama.

Best Sig EVER http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0020.gif

[JediMindTrick]

The only fear from all of the BSG fans, is how the ending is and how Ron Moores makes it happen. Almost every show has a terrible ending. BTW, Tom Zarek reminds me of Obama

Now I see it completely opposite.

From the beginning the humans have equaled the United States and the Cylons were terrorists. The destruction of the colonies was 9/11.

Up til season IV it was pretty much hard and fast that the Cylon terrorists were to be opposed at all times and thats just how Zarek, Adama, and everyone else wanted it. The Athena cylon being the only exception. Clearly this was the Bush administration. At one point Starbuck even tortured a cylon using waterboarding, clearly the humans at that time were Bushlike.

Then in season IV we saw a softening of that anti Cylon terrorist stance and an alliance was formed. Clearly new thinking had taken over the fleet and that parallel is the Obama administration coming in as they still oppose the terrorists but realize that we must also negotiate with them in places like Iran. But the old Bush / Zarek hardliners are still yelling about how all Cylons are bad and when they didn't get their way they mounted an armed insurrection. Which is exactly what many conservatives have wished for if not outright called for here on the Hannity board over in Washington Politics.

Clearly Zarek = neocon thinking. The new and enlightened Adama equals Obama.

[Davidj]

Man what a great episode.
Adama's reaction to the mutiny was great. He let Gaeda know what a piece of crap he was as he was being lead out of the CIC.

Starbuck is a god....there I said it, she is one of the gods has to be.

So I'm wondering when is Cavell and his bunch of merry men gonna show up and throw a serious wrench into this mutiny. One of the only things I can think of is either Galactica or one of the Basestars buy it and the evil Cylons detect and come a gunnin.
Hows it going to end?? I think the entire human race is Cylon.

[sgtmac_46]

Actually, I'm hoping either Starbuck or Lee Adama beat him into oblivion with his metal leg, then frame the leg and mount it in the CIC somewhere as a reminder. I also can't wait for Roselyn to start kicking ass- she's ****ED. :twisted::twisted::twisted: I'll agree with that!

And I suspect it will Starbuck that catches up to Gaeta........SHE ROCKED IN THAT EPISODE!

[sgtmac_46]

The only fear from all of the BSG fans, is how the ending is and how Ron Moores makes it happen. Almost every show has a terrible ending. BTW, Tom Zarek reminds me of Obama

Tom Zarek I can forgive......he is what he is, and there's never been any pretense. Gaeta is a traitor, though, and he's the one I want to see get what's coming to him.

Of course if past BSG history is any indication, he'll be forgiven somehow! :))

[sgtmac_46]

I'm really hoping someone puts a bullet between Gaeta's eyes.
Don't forget, he was playing both sides on New Caprica.
And yeah, Zarek also reminds me of Obama. I disagree on Zarek......the guy is many things, but a spineless weasel his is not, nor ever has been.......remember him on New Caprica!

No, Zarek is just doing what Zarek has always done......Gaeta's the villain here, as traitors are WORSE than declared enemies.

[sgtmac_46]

Now I see it completely opposite.

From the beginning the humans have equaled the United States and the Cylons were terrorists. The destruction of the colonies was 9/11.

Up til season IV it was pretty much hard and fast that the Cylon terrorists were to be opposed at all times and thats just how Zarek wanted it. Clearly this was the Bush administration. At one point Starbuck even tortured a cylon using waterboarding, clearly the humans at that time were Bushlike.

Then in season IV we saw a softening of that anti Cylon terrorist stance and an alliance was formed. Clearly new thinking had taken over the fleet and that parallel is the Obama administration coming in as they still oppose the terrorists but realize that we must also negotiate with them in places like Iran. But the old Bush / Zarek hardliners are still yelling about how all Cylons are bad and when they didn't get their way they mounted an armed insurrection. Which is exactly what many conservatives have wished for if not outright called for here on the Hannity board over in Washington Politics.

Clearly Zarek = neocon thinking. The new and enlightened Adama equals Obama.

Oh, i'm sure that's the way the show writters intended to be......but Gaeta is more Obamaesque in reality......he is, after all, the shows intellectual idealist, and is acting out of resentment more than principal or rational ideology......a hallmark of ALL good leftists.

As to Adama being 'enlightened', he'd have destroyed the Cylon's if he could.......his 'enlightenment' is self-interest in the face of rebel Cylon's wanting an alliance......that's not the same as Obama wanting to kiss the Islamic World's collective ass! ;)

But as to lessons learned, you might want to keep in mind it's a television show before you start reading anything more in to it than that.....

[JediMindTrick]

Oh, i'm sure that's the way the show writters intended to be......but Gaeta is more Obamaesque in reality......he is, after all, the shows intellectual idealist, and is acting out of resentment more than principal or rational ideology......a hallmark of ALL good leftists.

As to Adama being 'enlightened', he'd have destroyed the Cylon's if he could.......his 'enlightenment' is self-interest in the face of rebel Cylon's wanting an alliance......that's not the same as Obama wanting to kiss the Islamic World's collective ass! ;)

But as to lessons learned, you might want to keep in mind it's a television show before you start reading anything more in to it than that.....

Gaeta doesn't want anyone who might have ties to the Cylons being in power. Just like conservatives don't want anyone who might have ties to the Islamic world in power here. How many times of conservatives tried to claim Obama is a muslim. Well on BSG we know that Tigh is a Cylon which is why Gaeta hates him because he's #2 in the fleet and Adama is okay with it.

Nope, its quite clear on this show if your going to try and insert a political dynamic as several did before me which side is which. Clearly Zarek is not Obama as Zarek has a kill them all mentality while Obama clearly has a try to work it out first with the enemy mentality. How many times did cons crucify Obama during the election cycle for stating he'd meet with leaders from Iran? And thats exactly what the new and elightened Adama and Roslyn did by meeting with the rebel cylons.

Heck, even the names work - Adama / Obama. Sure the name Adama was conceived 30 years ago but that even fits with the BSG theme of what has happened before will happen again or however it goes.

[sgtmac_46]

Gaeta doesn't want anyone who might have ties to the Cylons being in power. Just like conservatives don't want anyone who might have ties to the Islamic world in power here. How many times of conservatives tried to claim Obama is a muslim. Well on BSG we know that Tigh is a Cylon which is why Gaeta hates him because he's #2 in the fleet and Adama is okay with it.

Nope, its quite clear on this show if your going to try and insert a political dynamic as several did before me which side is which.

Heck, even the names work - Adama / Obama. Sure the name Adama was conceived 30 years ago but that even fits with the BSG theme of what has happened before will happen again or however it goes. You know that thing about reading too much in to a work of fiction? You crossed that bridge when you said 'Adama/Obama' had a real connection, despite the Character pre-dating Obama/Cocaine......;)

Adama is MOST DEFINITELY not Obama.........Baltar might be, though! :))

A bunch of fawning, worshipping brain dead groupie followers.......President of the Colonies.....:think:


Yes, BALTAR is DEFINITELY OBAMA! :))

If there is a LITERAL (though unintended by the writers) real world parallel to the show, it's DEFINITELY OBAMA/BALTAR! :))

[uncledoom]

:rolleyes:

Question: Has anyone figured out the political parellels between the Reagan Administration and "The A-Team?"

[sgtmac_46]

:rolleyes:

Question: Has anyone figured out the political parellels between the Reagan Administration and "The A-Team?"

:think:

[ImNewHere]

:rolleyes:

Question: Has anyone figured out the political parellels between the Reagan Administration and "The A-Team?"

:))

[sgtmac_46]

:))

It's quite obvious.....Hannibal was RONALD REAGAN! :))

'Mommy....I love it when a plan comes together!'

[notluzn]

Man what a great episode.
Adama's reaction to the mutiny was great. He let Gaeda know what a piece of crap he was as he was being lead out of the CIC.

.
When I watch this show from a military point of view, I think that his reaction is what a General would have done if it ever happen. Gaeta is a Traitor in the 5th degree.

[notluzn]

Anyone that could compare Obama to Adama is a fool and should trash their TV's :)

You are correct. Baltar /Obama. No Fight, Appeaser, No experience, Self Preservationist, Currupt, Hires the wrong people to work with, would never take a Bullet for his people.

YouAdama is MOST DEFINITELY not Obama.........Baltar might be, though! :))

A bunch of fawning, worshipping brain dead groupie followers.......President of the Colonies.....:think:


Yes, BALTAR is DEFINITELY OBAMA! :))

If there is a LITERAL (though unintended by the writers) real world parallel to the show, it's DEFINITELY OBAMA/BALTAR! :))

[JediMindTrick]

Anyone that could compare Obama to Adama is a fool and should trash their TV's :)

You are correct. Baltar /Obama. No Fight, Appeaser, No experience, Self Preservationist, Currupt, Hires the wrong people to work with, would never take a Bullet for his people.

Is it Zarek or is it Baltar since you've now claimed both? You cons never can make up your mind, your just bash bash bash with no rhyme nor reason. Baltar and Zarek are 180 degree opposites so arguing that Obama is like both of them is just plain idiotic unless you have no basis in your argument except you want to score a cheap point.

[ImNewHere]

Is it Zarek or is it Baltar since you've now claimed both? You cons never can make up your mind, your just bash bash bash with no rhyme nor reason. Baltar and Zarek are 180 degree opposites so arguing that Obama is like both of them is just plain idiotic unless you have no basis in your argument except you want to score a cheap point.

The Baltar character was inspired by Obama and his time as a community protester and state Senator.

He is all those things that sgt_mac and notluzn said.

But look at it this way, at least he's not a cylon.

[ImNewHere]

Gaeta also has a lot in common with Obama. Treason and betrayal are the benchmarks of Obama's character.

[ImNewHere]

Obama also shares characteristics of the cylon Colonel. Addicted to chemicals (in Obama's case, nicotine) and fiercely loyal to a treacherous wife!

[foxgurrrl]

I have to say that this season is the best one of all, and last nights episode the best single episode of the series! I was on the edge of my seat from beginning to end........

......and I hope someone blows Gaeta's other leg off.....
Yeah, it's frakkin' good!!!!!!!!!!

[ImNewHere]

Yeah, it's frakkin' good!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it is.

But I'm not sure if I can watch it anymore because everyone reminds me of Obama.

[American Autobot]

Best Sig EVER http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0020.gif

thanks!

[Ninjacorpse]

Duh. I guess that's how she was able to see her wrecked ship. :rolleyes:

Forgive me, I'm a little slow with this show.

But wasn't her ship completely new when she returned? Do the vipers have their own resurrection ship when they crash? ;)

Thats the thing, its really a transformer. Bet you didn't expect that now did you?

[sgtmac_46]

Is it Zarek or is it Baltar since you've now claimed both? You cons never can make up your mind, your just bash bash bash with no rhyme nor reason. Baltar and Zarek are 180 degree opposites so arguing that Obama is like both of them is just plain idiotic unless you have no basis in your argument except you want to score a cheap point.

I convinced them....it's BALTAR! ;)

I never compared Zarek to Obama......Zarek has a spine.....Zarek actually has sacrificed for his principles, having went to prison for them.....when the cylons showed up on New Caprica, Zarek REFUSED to collaborate, and was thrown in detention....Zarek has a code of honor......Zarek, for all his flaws, has character and courage.

Obama is no Zarek.......that would be an insult to Zarek to compare them.

[RTchoke]

I'm still ****ed I missed last Friday's episode.

[pictor]

Gaeta also has a lot in common with Obama. Treason and betrayal are the benchmarks of Obama's character.
:rolleyes:
take a moment and wipe your mouth, there are still some flecks of foam there.

[American Autobot]

Thats the thing, its really a transformer. Bet you didn't expect that now did you?


So Kara and her Viper are "more than meets the eye"? ;)

[notluzn]

Tomorrow lets see where the turn around is.

[ImNewHere]

:rolleyes:
take a moment and wipe your mouth, there are still some flecks of foam there.

:rolleyes:
take off the glasses and rub your eyes a bit. you're seeing things that aren't there and not seeing things that are.

[sgtmac_46]

Tomorrow lets see where the turn around is.

I hope it involves Kara taking Gaeta's prosthetic leg and shoving it up his ***!

[Imperialparadox]

So I was reading the board and thought to myself, "Hey, a thread on BSG, nice. I like BSG let's check it out."

So I open the thread and first thing I see is more partisan drivel :wall:

Silly me, I'll stick to SciFi and fansites for this topic. :rolleyes:

[MrShotShot]

So I was reading the board and thought to myself, "Hey, a thread on BSG, nice. I like BSG let's check it out."

So I open the thread and first thing I see is more partisan drivel :wall:

Silly me, I'll stick to SciFi and fansites for this topic. :rolleyes:

And you expect something different on a political discussion board?

[notluzn]

So I was reading the board and thought to myself, "Hey, a thread on BSG, nice. I like BSG let's check it out."

So I open the thread and first thing I see is more partisan drivel :wall:

Silly me, I'll stick to SciFi and fansites for this topic. :rolleyes:

Oh come on we're having fun. :)


Anyways, is anyone worried that the ending will suck and not match the whole story?

[notluzn]

And you expect something different on a political discussion board?
I know the politics of some of the cast of BSG but non of us are here worried about their personal lives. Ron Moore have done a lot of side by side real world events with BSG and it works. Not sure why it works but it just does.

[Charles Xavier]

Oh come on we're having fun. :)


Anyways, is anyone worried that the ending will suck and not match the whole story?


Yeah, but it will still be lightyears better than "Galactica 1980."

[MrShotShot]

Oh come on we're having fun. :)


Anyways, is anyone worried that the ending will suck and not match the whole story?

Nope - I have complete faith in Moore and his team. They have woven a hell of a story thus far and I know they'll deliver an ending that will leave us with our chins on our chests.

[Imperialparadox]

Oh come on we're having fun. :)


Anyways, is anyone worried that the ending will suck and not match the whole story?

Yeah...you're right I was probably over-reacting. :redface:

I think the ending is going to be rather brutal, none of this 'and they lived happily ever after' stuff. I expect only a few of the main characters to survive, and the ending will probably be depressing but introspective.

[notluzn]

Here is what Im happy about with this version of a SciFi space epic.

1. Large Ships that really feel Military and Civilian ships that relate.
2. No shields because in theory it is impossible so huge plating is a must.
3. No LAZER weapons. Other shows use Phasers and when those fail they use a much weaker missle weapon that seems to blow up everything. Bass Akwards
4. The Crews act much more military in all situations and puts a "What would we do in this situation".
5. Best story on this side of Star Wars 4-6 epesodes
6. The CGI was made to actually feel like you have a camera and watching it live. Zoom in and Out.
7. Plot twist and turns but making sense and going together like Peanut butter and Jelly.
8. Hot chicks and there is eye candy for women. My wife love Jamie Bamber :mad: lol
9. The producers actually looked at the CIC of real US military ships and made it very real.
10. every episode makes you want to hurry up and skip the week to see the next show because you want to know.
11. They have traveled further than all of the Star Trek federation in a shorter amount of time and we can some what see how rare humenoid creatures are. Not every planet in the galaxy has Humanoid people.
12. And last: People arent waling around in fancy underwear looking at a Giant TV screen and every one has one as well.

[Imperialparadox]

Here is what Im happy about with this version of a SciFi space epic.

1. Large Ships that really feel Military and Civilian ships that relate.
2. No shields because in theory it is impossible so huge plating is a must.
3. No LAZER weapons. Other shows use Phasers and when those fail they use a much weaker missle weapon that seems to blow up everything. Bass Akwards
4. The Crews act much more military in all situations and puts a "What would we do in this situation".
5. Best story on this side of Star Wars 4-6 epesodes
6. The CGI was made to actually feel like you have a camera and watching it live. Zoom in and Out.
7. Plot twist and turns but making sense and going together like Peanut butter and Jelly.
8. Hot chicks and there is eye candy for women. My wife love Jamie Bamber :mad: lol
9. The producers actually looked at the CIC of real US military ships and made it very real.
10. every episode makes you want to hurry up and skip the week to see the next show because you want to know.
11. They have traveled further than all of the Star Trek federation in a shorter amount of time and we can some what see how rare humenoid creatures are. Not every planet in the galaxy has Humanoid people.
12. And last: People arent waling around in fancy underwear looking at a Giant TV screen and every one has one as well.

I mostly agree, especially about the ships and crew, they feel more 'real.' Of course, they also avoided the supercomputers and likely other tech because of the cylon threat of hacking. I do wonder what the 'best' techonology the humans had avaliable to them before the attack, though the Pegasus (which was a newer ship I think?) Wasn't that much different.

[USAF Medic]

Good Showing. Now more questions. :)) A hottie died :)) I don't think it was Earth that they found. I have a feeling that some more advance civilization is at work here. Maybe real Earth.

well of course they don't know this, but if they did Galactica and her rag tag fleet would head out into open space and look for an uninhabited planet to live on.

They are going to be sorely disapointed to reach earth and find we are just as screwed up, or worse than caprica that got pasted.

[American Autobot]

Yeah, but it will still be lightyears better than "Galactica 1980."


Anything is better than G80 (said while looking at the G80 DVD box across the room) :D

[American Autobot]

I mostly agree, especially about the ships and crew, they feel more 'real.' Of course, they also avoided the supercomputers and likely other tech because of the cylon threat of hacking. I do wonder what the 'best' techonology the humans had avaliable to them before the attack, though the Pegasus (which was a newer ship I think?) Wasn't that much different.

According to the teaser clip for the prequel Caprica before the First Cylon War the Colonies had what looked like holodeck tech, simular to Star Trek. I think that shows how much the Colonies gave up to be safe from the Cylons, until 40 years later.

[notluzn]

According to the teaser clip for the prequel Caprica before the First Cylon War the Colonies had what looked like holodeck tech, simular to Star Trek. I think that shows how much the Colonies gave up to be safe from the Cylons, until 40 years later.
Hmmm. The one thing that leaves people hanging is that there is little or no info on BSG tech. I know that the Nukes are up to 400 Meg ton. Star Trek I think tops 63 Meg Ton. the old BSG had the power of lasers close to Star Wars in Giga Jouls. Not sure why they went to a impact type weapon. I guess to make it more realistic. In reality it would take a lot of energy to go through 10 - 20 ft of advanced steel.

[notluzn]

I mostly agree, especially about the ships and crew, they feel more 'real.' Of course, they also avoided the supercomputers and likely other tech because of the cylon threat of hacking. I do wonder what the 'best' techonology the humans had avaliable to them before the attack, though the Pegasus (which was a newer ship I think?) Wasn't that much different. The Pegasus could make fighters and anything they needed to fight. There was really no reason to get rid of the ship but I guess Ron said it had to be. Galactica is much smaller that Pegasus and is less armed.

Galactica is old and was never a central computer based ship.

I also wonder what damage could an Actual Nuke do in space. I wathc real videos of it and they never say is could destroy something if it was 100 ft away.

[notluzn]

On now.

[notluzn]

What the FRAK? Just killed the entire quruim

[GA_LP]

What the FRAK? Just killed the entire quruim
Zarek split his own followers with this stupidity. Now he's lying about Ty and Adama? This mutiny is probably going to fall apart over Zarek's own deceptive conduct.

And how about the LAWYER killing his escort? I guess Lee and Daddy Adama had more influence than previously thought.

[GA_LP]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Zarek and Gaeta got off too lightly, a quick firing squad!

[notluzn]

wow what a ride

[notluzn]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Zarek and Gaeta got off too lightly, a quick firing squad!
Thats the rules for Military

[Ninjacorpse]

wow what a ride

Indeed, one of the few shows I trully enjoy instead of just being background noise. I appreciate that they did not try to string this along for several more episodes at the cost of action.

[sgtmac_46]

Wow......just....WOW!

Not just the single best episode of BSG......one of the greatest hours in episodic television history!

Some shows jump the shark before ending.....not BSG.....not by a long shot!

'Ready.....Aim.....FIRE!' Talk about having the courage to REALLY resolve the conflict.....I actually suspected until the end that the producers would hesitate to do what needed to be done to Zarek and Gaeta......but they sure didn't shy away from it ONE SINGLE CENTIMETER!

[Davidj]

I loved this episode. It showed that Gaeta was really manipulated by Zarek. Zarek has been bad news since he was first introduced. The murder of the Quarim opened Gaeta's eyes to what was happening.

On another forum someone said something that I found very interesting. When Terel was in the FTL room at the end he was looking at some stress fractures along the walls. A couple of the outside shots of Galactica showed just how tore up the ship really is. What if its not Rosilyn thats the dieing leader that will never see the promised land but Galactica herself. The ship truly looks like its on its death bed.

I know Ellen is the 5th cylon but what a mind job it would be to have Gaeta wake up on a resurection ship.

[GA_LP]

Thats the rules for Military
I was really hoping that Gaeta would actually resist and that Lee could whale on him. A firing squad is too diginified a death for that treacherous little ****. Zarek has always been devious and not worthy of trust; the wishy washy nature of Gaeta has always annoyed me. I also don't think that Anders is going to survive. If he does, he will be seriously impaired.

[GA_LP]

Wow......just....WOW!

Not just the single best episode of BSG......one of the greatest hours in episodic television history!

Some shows jump the shark before ending.....not BSG.....not by a long shot!

'Ready.....Aim.....FIRE!' Talk about having the courage to REALLY resolve the conflict.....I actually suspected until the end that the producers would hesitate to do what needed to be done to Zarek and Gaeta......but they sure didn't shy away from it ONE SINGLE CENTIMETER!How many people have been waterboarded in interrogation, or airlocked since the start? Zarek sealed his fate, without question, when he ordered the Quorom murdered. All his talk all along about democracy just ties in with H.L. Menken's adage: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule."

Gaeta had switched sides so many times I think that even HE needed a scorecard to keep track of what he thinks TODAY.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

I’ve tried to watch like I did last season but NBC/Universal has ruined the show for me. The whole idea of their “rag tag fleet” of survivors searching for Earth was just washed away and now they’re all just a bunch of murders with no goal what so ever.

The producers are flippantly making it up as they go along with no coherent plot.

I will not be surprised when they have on one of the final episodes remaining a scene of a giant polar bear running though the corridors of Galactica.

Sorry, but what purpose is their existence? They have no Earth to find, no more path of the Gods to follow, no trust among themselves of self governance, a rising body count by their own hands….etc, etc, etc.

[notluzn]

I loved this episode. It showed that Gaeta was really manipulated by Zarek. Zarek has been bad news since he was first introduced. The murder of the Quarim opened Gaeta's eyes to what was happening.

On another forum someone said something that I found very interesting. When Terel was in the FTL room at the end he was looking at some stress fractures along the walls. A couple of the outside shots of Galactica showed just how tore up the ship really is. What if its not Rosilyn thats the dieing leader that will never see the promised land but Galactica herself. The ship truly looks like its on its death bed.

I know Ellen is the 5th cylon but what a mind job it would be to have Gaeta wake up on a resurection ship.

I was going to say that there are alot of fractures near the engine room. That was the weirdest engine room ever. I would like to know more on that tech. Any who, I think getting blasted every way from Tuesday by Nukes and everything else is amazing and maybe symbolic.

[notluzn]

I have to disagree.There is reasons for everything on the show even though they don't always come out clear. One would have to say that after many years of being couped up on ships, losing friends, family and a home, losing hope, and living with stress, this would probably be the outcome in reality.





I’ve tried to watch like I did last season but NBC/Universal has ruined the show for me. The whole idea of their “rag tag fleet” of survivors searching for Earth was just washed away and now they’re all just a bunch of murders with no goal what so ever.

The producers are flippantly making it up as they go along with no coherent plot.

I will not be surprised when they have on one of the final episodes remaining a scene of a giant polar bear running though the corridors of Galactica.

Sorry, but what purpose is their existence? They have no Earth to find, no more path of the Gods to follow, no trust among themselves of self governance, a rising body count by their own hands….etc, etc, etc.

[ImNewHere]

I think Zarek and Gaeta are both cylons, too.

Notice how they looked at each other and smirked just before they were shot? They know they're coming back on the residual ship.

[Ninjacorpse]

I think Zarek and Gaeta are both cylons, too.

Notice how they looked at each other and smirked just before they were shot? They know they're coming back on the residual ship.

They were just giving each other love eyes.

[Arya]

I have to disagree.There is reasons for everything on the show even though they don't always come out clear. One would have to say that after many years of being couped up on ships, losing friends, family and a home, losing hope, and living with stress, this would probably be the outcome in reality.

I also feel that there is a purpose to all this. I would imagine that in reality-for a group of humans to overcome such odds, and fight for survival for so long-it would be unrealistic to not document the extreme inner toil that the survivors face after discovering Earth.

"But" I'm wondering if that is actually "Earth" after all.... I'm really getting the feeling that now that the rebellion is pretty much over (or at least the head asses have been exucuted), there is still hope for life on another planet...

[ImNewHere]

They were just giving each other love eyes.

That may be true because Zarek was in prison for a long time and Gaeta is very feminine, but I think they both knew the restitution ship was nearby.

[MrShotShot]

I think Zarek and Gaeta are both cylons, too.

Notice how they looked at each other and smirked just before they were shot? They know they're coming back on the residual ship.

The Cylons have lost their ability to resurrect remember. Even if they still could, the fleet is way out of range of any hubs.

[bbt630]

What was the bodycount from the uprising?

Seemed like every scene had shooting in the background...there can't be many resources or much manpower left to field a strong combat force.

[notluzn]

What was the bodycount from the uprising?

Seemed like every scene had shooting in the background...there can't be many resources or much manpower left to field a strong combat force. Probably 200 people. But remember that they had the crew from the Pegasus. They did lose a few pilots though. Hot Dog in real life is Edward James son so he'll always be a good guy. :)

[uncledoom]

The Cylons have lost their ability to resurrect remember. Even if they still could, the fleet is way out of range of any hubs.

Next week Tye's wife/number 5 of final 5 is resurrected.....

[MrShotShot]

Next week Tye's wife/number 5 of final 5 is resurrected.....

But when was she resurrected? The destruction of the Resurection Hub/Ship took place after her death on New Caprica.

[notluzn]

I think that everyone is ignoring is the children from the Cylons. I hope they find real Earth. I'm closing my eyes until the end. No one in my house talks while the show is on. Kids have to either watch it or be out of the room. The baby sleep thank God. :))

[Arya]

I think that everyone is ignoring is the children from the Cylons. I hope they find real Earth. I'm closing my eyes until the end. No one in my house talks while the show is on. Kids have to either watch it or be out of the room. The baby sleep thank God. :))

What do you think their involvement will be (if it's different than finding the real Earth)?

[Imperialparadox]

That may be true because Zarek was in prison for a long time and Gaeta is very feminine, but I think they both knew the restitution ship was nearby.

Honestly I think the look they exchanged was more about Gaeta accepting the outcome of his actions and being as peace with himself, and Zarek finding amusement that at least someone was happy with things.

[BillyBobUSA]

This thread just found a resurection hub, lol.

Save for later.

[MrShotShot]

By now you know this thread is full of spoilers, so don't read any further if you haven't seen the last episode.










The idea of one additional Cylon was very interesting. This "Daniel" was an artist - well, Starbuck has displayed some artistic ability, but that would be a little too obvious if you ask me. Besides, they said he had been boxed for being disfunctional. So possibly it is someone we haven't really seen in the series. For now, my bet is Adama's oldest son - thus the Starbuck connection.

[MrShotShot]

By now you know this thread is full of spoilers, so don't read any further if you haven't seen the last episode.










The idea of one additional Cylon was very interesting. This "Daniel" was an artist - well, Starbuck has displayed some artistic ability, but that would be a little too obvious if you ask me. Besides, they said he had been boxed for being disfunctional. So possibly it is someone we haven't really seen in the series. For now, my bet is Adama's oldest son - thus the Starbuck connection.

Sorry, meant to say youngest son - the one that Starbuck was teaching to be a Viper pilot, had the affair with, and then passed him along even though she knew he wasn't fit to fly.

[uncledoom]

One 2 hour episode to go. The Galactica is falling apart and one more suicide mission to go.

I have a feeling this is gonna end up like the end of Matrix Reloaded....

[ImNewHere]

All I know is that I've been watching the last few weeks thinking, "What the hell is this crap?"