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[RayMan]

Yeah, but that's not the only reason.


Oh behave!

[CID_0687]

Which brings us back to the question, why do you go there?
Word.

[Meriweather]

Yeah, but that's not the only reason.

Didn't you see today's news headlines? It said California lawmakers are actually thinking about talking about doing away with State welfare. In the (unlikely) event that comes to pass, we would be the first state to do so.

[Meriweather]

Are we lagging, or is it just me?

[terri910]

I meant a summary of only today's posts. I was truly hoping something exciting and new was going on over there. Maybe tomorrow? ;)
that pretty much summed up today's posts, too...*L*

[CID_0687]

Didn't you see today's news headlines? It said California lawmakers are actually thinking about talking about doing away with State welfare. In the (unlikely) event that comes to pass, we would be the first state to do so.
That's good, of course if your state wasn't bankrupt it wouldn't be an issue.

[CID_0687]

Are we lagging, or is it just me?
yeah there's lag.

[Meriweather]

That's good, of course if your state wasn't bankrupt it wouldn't be an issue.

Or perhaps if we had made it an issue earlier, we wouldn't now be bankrupt.

[terri910]

Which brings us back to the question, why do you go there?
Because it isn't always that way. And when people stay on point, it is absolutely fascinating.

Also...when I see someone mischaracterizing my faith I am compelled to defend it.

.

[Semi-Sweet]

I meant a summary of only today's posts. I was truly hoping something exciting and new was going on over there. Maybe tomorrow? ;)

Well gee Meri, she did give us an update :angel: and I for one appreciate it. I get a swim head when I read in that thread. . . .:sick:

[terri910]

Word.
Answered.

You -- or Ray -- got an issue with that?

[Meriweather]

Well gee Meri, she did give us an update :angel: and I for one appreciate it. I get a swim head when I read in that thread. . . .:sick:

I get this urge to go over there and do some filing. I'd sort the thing into various neat little sub-topics, label them, set up a cross-index with a nice little color-coded schemes. Then I'd probably write summaries. You know, that could keep me out of trouble and well-behaved for quite a lengthy time.

[terri910]

I get this urge to go over there and do some filing. I'd sort the thing into various neat little sub-topics, label them, set up a cross-index with a nice little color-coded schemes. Then I'd probably write summaries. You know, that could keep me out of trouble and well-behaved for quite a lengthy time.
Meri, if you could do that, it would be a Godsend.

But I'll bet you'd get some grief over your summaries...*L*

[CID_0687]

Or perhaps if we had made it an issue earlier, we wouldn't now be bankrupt.
True. Honestly I have no prblem with welfare. Some folks don't make enough money to afford health insurance for their kids, or buy groceries plus pay their other bills. I've been there I've been on food stamps and my kids on Medicaid. I was able to better myself and get off of it. Everyone needs a little help every now and then. But allowing people to abuse the system is what is the problem. Some able bodied people will live off the gubmint all their lives. That ain't right, get up and go to work.

The current welfare system, state and federal, needs to be completely done away with and refocused. Give people a timeline. You have X amount of days to find work. Save it for folks who really need it.

[CID_0687]

Answered.

You -- or Ray -- got an issue with that?
No m'am, not me. I figured out a long time ago that thread wasn't for me. But I understand your reasons.

I did go in there the other day just to get a rise out of a certain poster. But anyway....

[Meriweather]

True. Honestly I have no prblem with welfare. Some folks don't make enough money to afford health insurance for their kids, or buy groceries plus pay their other bills. I've been there I've been on food stamps and my kids on Medicaid. I was able to better myself and get off of it. Everyone needs a little help every now and then. But allowing people to abuse the system is what is the problem. Some able bodied people will live off the gubmint all their lives. That ain't right, get up and go to work.

The current welfare system, state and federal, needs to be completely done away with and refocused. Give people a timeline. You have X amount of days to find work. Save it for folks who really need it.

Yes. We were without health insurance for almost all of last year--talk about a year of holding our breath hoping nothing would happen to any of the four of us. We've really messed up our health coverage here in America. First we limit those who wish to pursue an education and career in medicine, making for a shortage in doctors; meanwhile technology is moving so fast and is so expensive, I'm wondering why taxpayers don't take over that part of the bill. Taxes pay for facilities and equipment; patients and insurance pay for services and supplies. Don't even get me started on pharmaceuticals. My medicine cabinent has one bottle in it. Aspirin.

As for the rest of welfare, I vote we go back to local charities. Let people know who they are helping; let people who are being helped be helped by actual people not the state.

[Semi-Sweet]

I get this urge to go over there and do some filing. I'd sort the thing into various neat little sub-topics, label them, set up a cross-index with a nice little color-coded schemes. Then I'd probably write summaries. You know, that could keep me out of trouble and well-behaved for quite a lengthy time.

You could publish a best-seller. . .LOL

[RayMan]

Because it isn't always that way. And when people stay on point, it is absolutely fascinating.

Also...when I see someone mischaracterizing my faith I am compelled to defend it.

.

Why is that? I have noticed Tex-Rep, Buf and Arch all saying and doing the same at times. Why must you defend it?

Caveat. When I reported cbut1 for his extremely disrespectful characterization of Pentecostalism last week I did so because he was dissing a religious group not because he was mischaracterizing my faith.

I would and have done the same thing when people diss Catholics, Jews or Mormons on this forum but I don't feel any need to "defend" Pentecostalism. Why do you guys feel like you need to defend Catholicism? Seems to me it has been around long enough to stand on its own merits, which are many.

[Meriweather]

You could publish a best-seller. . .LOL

You bet. Maybe it could make enough money to keep the site ad-free for about ten years.

[terri910]

No m'am, not me. I figured out a long time ago that thread wasn't for me. But I understand your reasons.

I did go in there the other day just to get a rise out of a certain poster. But anyway....
That's more like it.

[Meriweather]

Why is that? I have noticed Tex-Rep, Buf and Arch all saying and doing the same at times. Why must you defend it?

Caveat. When I reported cbut1 for his extremely disrespectful characterization of Pentecostalism last week I did so because he was dissing a religious group not because he was mischaracterizing my faith.

I would and have done the same thing when people diss Catholics, Jews or Mormons on this forum but I don't feel any need to "defend" Pentecostalism. Why do you guys feel like you need to defend Catholicism? Seems to me it has been around long enough to stand on its own merits, which are many.

A lot of the defense is correcting misinformation that is continually being presented as fact.

There was also the discussion that someone's harmless joke is some else's disrespect. After all this time in the Religion Forum, I still have a tough time identifying violations.

[Meriweather]

Is anyone here familiar with that game in TP, Ban the Poster? I shudder each time I see it on the main menu. Why would someone want anyone banned?

[terri910]

Why is that? I have noticed Tex-Rep, Buf and Arch all saying and doing the same at times. Why must you defend it?I think you and I have different ideas of what I mean when I say "defend." I'm not certain. But.....you are honestly asking why we would want to defend the actual doctrines of our faith from mischaracterizations? Call me crazy, but I'd just as soon someone disagree with what I actually believe, rather than what they (erroneously) think I believe, or what they have (erroneously) been led to think I believe by someone mischaracterizing what it is I believe. Someone comes in and says "Catholics worship Mary" and you think I shouldn't defend what, in my opinion, is an assault on the truth? Someone says Trinitarians are polytheists and you think I shouldn't correct that gross mischaracterization?

Caveat. When I reported cbut1 for his extremely disrespectful characterization of Pentecostalism last week I did so because he was dissing a religious group not because he was mischaracterizing my faith.Cool. I haven't reported anyone for mischaracterizing my faith, either, but I've sure as shootin' corrected them and defended the truth of what I believe. But the next time someone actually comes in and says Pentecostals believe something that Pentecostals don't actually believe, you just sit all quiet-like, and don't correct them. That's your prerogative. But if you correct them, just know that as far as I'm concerned, you'll be "defending" your faith.

I would and have done the same thing when people diss Catholics, Jews or Mormons on this forum but I don't feel any need to "defend" Pentecostalism.Like I said, next time someone says Pentecostals believe something that they don't, don't "defend" it. I won't be able to, because I don't know enough about Pentecostalism to know they're wrong, and so I'll just sit here, read it, and without anyone defending the truth of Pentecostal beliefs, I'll likely assume their mischaracterization was right. That'll just be great.

Why do you guys feel like you need to defend Catholicism? Seems to me it has been around long enough to stand on its own merits, which are many.I think I've made myself clear on the why. I guess I could sum it up by saying: I give a damn.


Edited to add: I love ya, Ray, but I just cannot believe you asked me that.

[CID_0687]

Yes. We were without health insurance for almost all of last year--talk about a year of holding our breath hoping nothing would happen to any of the four of us. We've really messed up our health coverage here in America. First we limit those who wish to pursue an education and career in medicine, making for a shortage in doctors; meanwhile technology is moving so fast and is so expensive, I'm wondering why taxpayers don't take over that part of the bill. Taxes pay for facilities and equipment; patients and insurance pay for services and supplies. Don't even get me started on pharmaceuticals. My medicine cabinent has one bottle in it. Aspirin.

As for the rest of welfare, I vote we go back to local charities. Let people know who they are helping; let people who are being helped be helped by actual people not the state.
I'm all for charity, that would be the best thing.

As far as health care goes...and I realized this sometime in the few years I was selling insurance...The problem is people running to the Dr. over the smallest thing...They've got sniffles they go to the Dr....They got a hangnail, they go to the Dr...I'm exaggerating, but not much...When they go they pay their 10, 20 or 30 dollar copay..The Dr. then runs a multitude of useless tests, and sticks it to the insurance company at a jacked up rate. They'll charge as high as the insurance company will allow the to do so...

I don't have regular health insurance, nor does my wife...We have a major medical plan, which is fairly inexpensive...It will pay in the event of surgery, fractures, terminal illness, hospital stays, etc...Things like the flu, sinus infection, bronchitis we pay out of pocket...and guess what...it's not that expensive...they don't run all the useless tests, they check me out, give me a shot, prescribe some meds and it's not even $100 minus the prescriptions...

If more people would be willing to pay out of pocket there wouldn't be all this whining...And if the insurance companies had stricter guidelines the Dr.'s wouldn't be jacking up their fees.

Technology is a separate issue...should the taxpayers pay for that...if there wasn't 9 million useless things we were already paying for then maybe.

[CID_0687]

Is anyone here familiar with that game in TP, Ban the Poster? I shudder each time I see it on the main menu. Why would someone want anyone banned?
I can think of a few I wouldn't mind see eat a banwich.....

[terri910]

Sheesh.


Let someone get a little testy, and the thread dies. :razz:

[Meriweather]

I'm all for charity, that would be the best thing.

As far as health care goes...and I realized this sometime in the few years I was selling insurance...The problem is people running to the Dr. over the smallest thing...They've got sniffles they go to the Dr....They got a hangnail, they go to the Dr...I'm exaggerating, but not much...When they go they pay their 10, 20 or 30 dollar copay..The Dr. then runs a multitude of useless tests, and sticks it to the insurance company at a jacked up rate. They'll charge as high as the insurance company will allow the to do so...

I don't have regular health insurance, nor does my wife...We have a major medical plan, which is fairly inexpensive...It will pay in the event of surgery, fractures, terminal illness, hospital stays, etc...Things like the flu, sinus infection, bronchitis we pay out of pocket...and guess what...it's not that expensive...they don't run all the useless tests, they check me out, give me a shot, prescribe some meds and it's not even $100 minus the prescriptions...

If more people would be willing to pay out of pocket there wouldn't be all this whining...And if the insurance companies had stricter guidelines the Dr.'s wouldn't be jacking up their fees.

Technology is a separate issue...should the taxpayers pay for that...if there wasn't 9 million useless things we were already paying for then maybe.


I haven't been to the doctor in years. I suppose the closest I get is the clinic to get the TB tests I'm required to take (for teaching) every few years. I know how to take care of cold and flu. I don't even bother with flu shots.

I know what you mean--I hear of people going to the doctor for very minor things, and I suppose that does add up for insurance companies. The tests are another thing I really don't understand--it seems most of them are run to rule things out that aren't too likely anyway.

One thing I've noticed as a P.E. teacher is how the notes have changed over the years. Kids can now get notes from their doctor that pretty much say, "When Johnny doesn't feel like participating in P.E., excuse him." Johnny has no medical condition, but just in case he might, the note is written.

[Meriweather]

I can think of a few I wouldn't mind see eat a banwich.....


Why?

[Meriweather]

Sheesh.


Let someone get a little testy, and the thread dies. :razz:


Be patient. Good arguments take time to develop. Great response by the way.

[terri910]

The tests are another thing I really don't understand--it seems most of them are run to rule things out that aren't too likely anyway.
One doesn't have to think too hard to know why they do that, though, Meri.

Can you say "lawsuit"?

[RayMan]

I think you and I have different ideas of what I mean when I say "defend." I'm not certain. But.....you are honestly asking why we would want to defend the actual doctrines of our faith from mischaracterizations? Call me crazy, but I'd just as soon someone disagree with what I actually believe, rather than what they (erroneously) think I believe, or what they have (erroneously) been led to think I believe by someone mischaracterizing what it is I believe. Someone comes in and says "Catholics worship Mary" and you think I shouldn't defend what, in my opinion, is an assault on the truth? Someone says Trinitarians are polytheists and you think I shouldn't correct that gross mischaracterization?

Cool. I haven't reported anyone for mischaracterizing my faith, either, but I've sure as shootin' corrected them and defended the truth of what I believe. But the next time someone actually comes in and says Pentecostals believe something that Pentecostals don't actually believe, you just sit all quiet-like, and don't correct them. That's your prerogative. But if you correct them, just know that as far as I'm concerned, you'll be "defending" your faith.

Like I said, next time someone says Pentecostals believe something that they don't, don't "defend" it. I won't be able to, because I don't know enough about Pentecostalism to know they're wrong, and so I'll just sit here, read it, and without anyone defending the truth of Pentecostal beliefs, I'll likely assume their mischaracterization was right. That'll just be great.

I think I've made myself clear on the why. I guess I could sum it up by saying: I give a damn.


Edited to add: I love ya, Ray, but I just cannot believe you asked me that.


Thanks Terria.

Was just wondering what you guys mean by defending your faith and why you feel it is important to do. I am as likely to give somebody hell for insisting that you guys worship Mary and the Saints as you are and have reported people for anti-Catholic rhetoric around here.

Do you guys ever do the same when people are dissing Pentecostalism? I don't make a divide between Catholics, Pentecostals, Mormons, Baptists or whoever. I just lump us all together as Christians.

In my opinion, and I think the Apostle Paul agrees with me, there is one faith and we all share it although we differ on a point of doctrine or practice here and there.

[CID_0687]

<snip>

In my opinion, and I think the Apostle Paul agrees with me, there is one faith and we all share it although we differ on a point of doctrine or practice here and there.

Reverent!! :clap:

[Meriweather]

One doesn't have to think too hard to know why they do that, though, Meri.

Can you say "lawsuit"?

Exactly. Plus, some people I know seem to like going in and taking all these tests. I don't understand that.

[terri910]

Thanks Terria.
No problem. You deserved it. :razz:

Was just wondering what you guys meant by defending your faith and why you felt it was important to do. I am as likely to give somebody hell for insisting that you guys worship Mary and the Saints as you are and have reported people for anti-Catholic rhetoric around here.

Do you guys ever do the same when people are dissing Pentecostalism? I don't make a divide between Catholics, Pentecostals, Mormons, Baptists or whoever. I just lump us all together as Christians.I don't know if you're talking about "dissing" or "mischaracterization" here (and you made the distinction previously).

I'll go with "mischaracterization" first:
If I feel I know enough about that faith to do so, yes. Although I always qualify my statement by letting people know it is MY understanding of another's faith and whatever someone of that faith says should trump what I say about it every time. If you haven't seen me do that regarding the Mormon faith, then you simply haven't been in the right threads at the right time. I don't have to agree one whit with a faith to at least be able to understand it and correct a few mischaracterizations, as long as someone has taken the time to educate me on it.

And as for reporting people that "diss" other faiths:
If you haven't seen "us guys" reporting people for disrespectful posts about other faiths, then you haven't been paying attention.

[RayMan]

No problem. You deserved it. :razz:

I don't know if you're talking about "dissing" or "mischaracterization" here (and you made the distinction previously).

I'll go with "mischaracterization" first:
If I feel I know enough about that faith to do so, yes. Although I always qualify my statement by letting people know it is MY understanding of another's faith and whatever someone of that faith says should trump what I say about it every time. If you haven't seen me do that regarding the Mormon faith, then you simply haven't been in the right threads at the right time. I don't have to agree one whit with a faith to at least be able to understand it and correct a few mischaracterizations, as long as someone has taken the time to educate me on it.

And as for reporting people that "diss" other faiths:
If you haven't seen "us guys" reporting people for disrespectful posts about other faiths, then you haven't been paying attention.


With all due respect Teriri. I don't recall seeing it and I have been paying attention. When is the last time a Catholic started a thread in TTTM about sombody disrespecting Pentecostals, Mormons or Baptists?

All I am really saying is that CID or I will bring those things up because we view all Christians, regardless of the name over the Church door as our brothers and sisters in Christ and don't feel that there is anything special about "our Church, because we are all part of THE Church. Call me overly sensitive but it doesn't seem like all y'all feel the same way.

That is why I have a problem with the whole "one true church" thing whether it refers to Catholic, Mormon or Baptist. It divides the body of Christ and I am against that. Invariably the people who feel they are in the "one true church" feel that true unity in the faith will only be attained when all Christians become part of "their" church.

I just really have a problem with it. I won't rant about it anymore though.

[RayMan]

Yo CID,
Sorry about dragging you into this without giving you a heads up but I believe you are at least as ecumenical as myself.

[Semi-Sweet]

Reverent!! :clap:

:clap: And he'll be here all week. :clap:

[Semi-Sweet]

[/b]
with all due respect teriri. I don't recall seeing it and i have been paying attention. When is the last time a catholic started a thread in tttm about sombody disrespecting pentecostals, mormons or baptists?

All i am really saying is that cid or i will bring those things up because we view all christians, regardless of the name over the church door as our brothers and sisters in christ and don't feel that there is anything special about "our church, because we are all part of the church. Call me overly sensitive but it doesn't seem like all y'all feel the same way.

That is why i have a problem with the whole "one true church" thing whether it refers to catholic, mormon or baptist. It divides the body of christ and i am against that. Invariably the people who feel they are in the "one true church" feel that true unity in the faith will only be attained when all christians become part of "their" church.

I just really have a problem with it. I won't rant about it anymore though.

+1

[CID_0687]

Yo CID,
Sorry about dragging you into this without giving you a heads up but I believe you are at least as ecumenical as myself.
No worries, you would be correct in that belief sir.

[terri910]

[/b]
With all due respect Teriri. I don't recall seeing it and I have been paying attention. When is the last time a Catholic started a thread in TTTM about sombody disrespecting Pentecostals, Mormons or Baptists?
I'm sorry that I do not catalog such things, file by reporter's faith, and time stamp them for you, RayMan. I'm also sorry that others might have been faster at reporting, because there are plenty of "you beat me to it"s. Additionally, I am not always certain what constitutes disrespect in the eyes of a moderator, and I have to feel very sure that someone has gone far past any line I might draw. And I'm sorry that your join date is so much later that you haven't witnessed everything that's ever happened in this regard.

However, I am not sorry enough to start keeping statistics for you, Ray. Keeping tally isn't really my thing.



All I am really saying is that CID or I will bring those things up because we view all Christians, regardless of the name over the Church door as our brothers and sisters in Christ and don't feel that there is anything special about "our Church, because we are all part of THE Church. Call me overly sensitive but it doesn't seem like all y'all feel the same way.Well, I don't think it is overly sensitive to realize that not everyone feels exactly like you do. But it might be overly sensitive to think that just because the adherents to one faith or another believe their Church "the one, true Church" that they do not also view all Christians, regardless of the name over the Church door, as our brothers and sisters in Christ, or that they are not also part of "THE Church" (body of believers).

That is why I have a problem with the whole "one true church" thing whether it refers to Catholic, Mormon or Baptist. It divides the body of Christ and I am against that. Invariably the people who feel they are in the "one true church" feel that true unity in the faith will only be attained when all Christians become part of "their" church.

I just really have a problem with it. I won't rant about it anymore though.You have a problem that not everyone feels or believes the same way you do. Pretty natural. And no reason you shouldn't state what you believe.

[CID_0687]

And now, time for something completely different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRxrCBvt7TM

Standard Youtube warning....

[RayMan]

I'm sorry that I do not catalog such things, file by reporter's faith, and time stamp them for you, RayMan. I'm also sorry that others might have been faster at reporting, because there are plenty of "you beat me to it"s. Additionally, I am not always certain what constitutes disrespect in the eyes of a moderator, and I have to feel very sure that someone has gone far past any line I might draw. And I'm sorry that your join date is so much later that you haven't witnessed everything that's ever happened in this regard.

However, I am not sorry enough to start keeping statistics for you, Ray. Keeping tally isn't really my thing.



Well, I don't think it is overly sensitive to realize that not everyone feels exactly like you do. But it might be overly sensitive to think that just because the adherents to one faith or another believe their Church "the one, true Church" that they do not also view all Christians, regardless of the name over the Church door, as our brothers and sisters in Christ, or that they are not also part of "THE Church" (body of believers).

You have a problem that not everyone feels or believes the same way you do. Pretty natural. And no reason you shouldn't state what you believe.


I guess the bottom line is that I don't think of other Christians as being of another faith.

I am a Christian. I believe you are a Christian. I believe CID is a Christian. I believe Reeder is a Christian.

I believe that our faith is in Christ which makes us all Christians and makes us all of the same faith.

I am sorry you are unwilling to even consider that there might be an iota of truth worth considering in what I have written tonight.

I consider you and I to be of the same faith. I am sorry you feel I am of another faith.

[terri910]

I am really rather upset that all this came from me complaining about a very recent trend of posts in the Trinity thread, and then being asked why I continue post there.

It is as if my using the word "defend" was a hair-trigger for releasing a flood of pent up....something. I don't know what. Anger or frustration or something.

I have no idea how to apologize to you, RayMan. I am truly sorry that I, or Catholics in general, or anyone else for that matter, have somehow, in our beliefs, made you unhappy, or feel as though you are not our brother in Christ. I know I can assure it has never been my intention. And I feel horrible that I have managed to do it, nonetheless. I cannot NOT believe what I believe, so I can't apologize for that. But the fact that you needed to "rant" hurts my heart, and I just do not know what to do about it.:(
:hug:

[terri910]

I am sorry you are unwilling to even consider that there might be an iota of truth worth considering in what I have written tonight.
And I am sorry you think that I am unwilling to consider that. I thought I had acknowledged that not only was there a truth worth considering, but some which I shared.

It has been an eye-opener, Ray. I mean that. I have a much clearer idea exactly what you think of me.

[terri910]

I consider you and I to be of the same faith. I am sorry you feel I am of another faith.
The differences of doctrine and practice. I acknowledge it. Should I be using a different word than "faith"?

[CID_0687]

The differences of doctrine and practice. I acknowledge it. Should I be using a different word than "faith"?
I don't know about Ray, but I prefer the word "doctrine" or "theology"...

[terri910]

I don't know about Ray, but I prefer the word "doctrine" or "theology"...
It is difficult for me to differentiate what I believe (and that would include all the doctrine and theology) from my faith. I've always thought of my faith as being what I believe.

I have to wonder if I am alone in this.

If I am using the wrong word, then I apologize for that. But I'm still not sure it is the wrong word, just maybe not specific enough.

[CID_0687]

It is difficult for me to differentiate what I believe (and that would include all the doctrine and theology) from my faith. I've always thought of my faith as being what I believe.

I have to wonder if I am alone in this.
Forgive me, I don't know that much Catholic terminology, and wouldn't pretend to, so if this doesn't come across clearly ask me to elaborate.

Faith is one's belief in God...Your faith is in Christ, just as mine is, just as Ray's, Meri's, hben and anyone else that believes Christ is the Son of God, he died on a cross for our transgressions and on the third day rose again.

Doctrine or theology is (at least to me) what a church teaches and practices as in their traditions and whatnot...I was raised Episcopal, within the Episcopal church we had a very formal service, extremely structured...much like the Catholic Church...we had incense burning, we took the Holy Eucharist every Sunday, and we all drank from the same cup...We had (and I still have mine someplace) the Book of Common Prayer which we would read from every Sunday along with the Bible lesson that the Priest gave, we had confession, I was Confirmed when I was 13...so very much like the Roman Catholic Church, I would assume...we didn't have much emphasis on the Spiritual Gifts, i.e. tongues, healing, discernment, etc...

Now, in the Pentecostal church we have much emphasis on the Spiritual Gifts...our services are structured, but more loosely...you never know what may happen...the structure pretty much stops at "Service starts at 11." Anything after that we believe that the Holy Spirit is in control, we may be out of their by noon or it may be 2...some churches may take Communion every Sunday, some only once a month...

The thing to remember with Pentecostal churches is that we aren't all the same, there are so many denominations that fall into the category of Pentecostal...same as the term Evangelical and Reformed...Within each denomination there is a doctrine or a theology that they may go by, within that are the "rules" of the denomination....

So, our faith is the same, since we all believe in Christ...just the way we teach and practice our faith is what differs...It's my opinion that none is the right or wrong way, so as long as it's Biblically based, it comes down to how we feel we can serve the Lord the best, how we can learn of him and his ways the best, and how we are comfortable worshiping him.

[terri910]

Forgive me, I don't know that much Catholic terminology, and wouldn't pretend to, so if this doesn't come across clearly ask me to elaborate.

Faith is one's belief in God...Your faith is in Christ, just as mine is, just as Ray's, Meri's, hben and anyone else that believes Christ is the Son of God, he died on a cross for our transgressions and on the third day rose again.

Doctrine or theology is (at least to me) what a church teaches and practices as in their traditions and whatnot...I was raised Episcopal, within the Episcopal church we had a very formal service, extremely structured...much like the Catholic Church...we had incense burning, we took the Holy Eucharist every Sunday, and we all drank from the same cup...We had (and I still have mine someplace) the Book of Common Prayer which we would read from every Sunday along with the Bible lesson that the Priest gave, we had confession, I was Confirmed when I was 13...so very much like the Roman Catholic Church, I would assume...we didn't have much emphasis on the Spiritual Gifts, i.e. tongues, healing, discernment, etc...

Now, in the Pentecostal church we have much emphasis on the Spiritual Gifts...our services are structured, but more loosely...you never know what may happen...the structure pretty much stops at "Service starts at 11." Anything after that we believe that the Holy Spirit is in control, we may be out of their by noon or it may be 2...some churches may take Communion every Sunday, some only once a month...

The thing to remember with Pentecostal churches is that we aren't all the same, there are so many denominations that fall into the category of Pentecostal...same as the term Evangelical and Reformed...Within each denomination there is a doctrine or a theology that they may go by, within that are the "rules" of the denomination....

So, our faith is the same, since we all believe in Christ...just the way we teach and practice our faith is what differs...It's my opinion that none is the right or wrong way, so as long as it's Biblically based, it comes down to how we feel we can serve the Lord the best, how we can learn of him and his ways the best, and how we are comfortable worshiping him.
I think you have been clear here. We simply differ in a few things.

First, let me say that my understanding of "faith" isn't some sort of Catholic terminology -- it's what I've understood the word to mean for as long as I've known the word. For me, it has always been synonymous with "belief." So, yes, my faith is my belief in God, in Jesus as the Christ, that we share. But, to me, my faith is also my belief in specific doctrine and theology. They are also what I believe, not merely traditions (note: lower case "t"...I'm not talking about Sacred Traditions, which I would never describe as "mere"). I believe them to be part of a deposit of faith from God incarnate Himself, not "whatnot". It's a matter of scope (I think that's the word I'm looking for). How broad, or how narrow the belief system you intend for the word to encompass in a given sentence or context. You said Faith is one's belief in God.. and then went on to say Your faith is in Christ, just as mine is, just as Ray's, Meri's, hben and anyone else that believes Christ is the Son of God, he died on a cross for our transgressions and on the third day rose again.But that would leave out Jews or Muslims and they clearly have faith in God. So, if you (or Ray) say "Christians are one faith" you are narrowing down the scope, are you not? Narrowing it to those that believe in Jesus. And later in your post, you narrowed the scope to "Biblically based." What is the substantive difference between narrowing down the scope of "faith in God" (I guess that would be to describe theists?) to "faith in God and Jesus as the Christ that is Biblically-based" (to describe Christians), and narrowing the scope to "faith in God and Jesus as the Christ that is based in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition" (to describe a specific denomination or, set of beliefs)? It's all faith, isn't it?

If I understand your and RayMan's beliefs enough to know that when you say "faith" you only mean one thing, then that is helpful. It would be just as helpful for you to know that when I say "my faith" it could be meant in the broader term (Christianity) or the narrower one (Christianity as taught in Catholic doctrine). It could even be meant in the much broader term (those who believe in God).

I am very sorry if RayMan is unhappy that I, like some Christians, believe there is correct and incorrect doctrine and thus include it when we speak of our "faith". I love and respect him -- and you, too, of course! -- but I cannot NOT believe what I believe to be true. I will just have to live with his disappointment in me.

[CID_0687]

I think you have been clear here. We simply differ in a few things.

I try. ;)

First, let me say that my understanding of "faith" isn't some sort of Catholic terminology -- it's what I've understood the word to mean for as long as I've known the word.

I wasn't saying that in regard to the word "faith", I think that one is pretty much universal in it's meaning...where the difference comes in is what we perceive doctrine and theology as.

My thoughts are this...the only doctrine I need to follow is that of the Bible...any other texts or writings which cannot be Biblically supported are simply man made rules and regulations that I don't subscribe to...certain theologies are no more than a man's opinion on God and scripture, sometimes it's right sometimes it's not.

.I'm not talking about Sacred Traditions, which I would never describe as "mere"). I believe them to be part of a deposit of faith from God incarnate Himself, not "whatnot".

I wasn't referring to the Sacred Traditions as "whatnot"...that's just a term I'll throw in from time to time as a filler. ;)

In fact, as I said earlier, I don't know that much about the Catholic Church so I'm not sure that I even know what the Sacred Traditions are...I may, a lot of times different denominations use different terms to describe the same thing.


It's a matter of scope (I think that's the word I'm looking for). How broad, or how narrow the belief system you intend for the word to encompass in a given sentence or context.

I'm with you.

You said and then went on to say But that would leave out Jews or Muslims and they clearly have faith in God.

Jews and Muslims are not pertinent to this conversation, I don't doubt their faith in God...There are different sects of Islam but they all worship Allah.

There are Orthodox Jews and Reformed Jews, perhaps others I'm unaware of but they all worship the same God.

Just as all Christians worship the same God.


So, if you (or Ray) say "Christians are one faith" you are narrowing down the scope, are you not? Narrowing it to those that believe in Jesus. And later in your post, you narrowed the scope to "Biblically based."

Christians are one faith and their faith is Biblically based, so in my mind that's the same thing.


What is the substantive difference between narrowing down the scope of "faith in God" (I guess that would be to describe theists?) to "faith in God and Jesus as the Christ that is Biblically-based" (to describe Christians), and narrowing the scope to "faith in God and Jesus as the Christ that is based in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition" (to describe a specific denomination or, set of beliefs)? It's all faith, isn't it?

Now I live in the heart of the Bible Belt...if I say to my neighbor, "Jim has faith in God." They are gonna know that I mean Jim is a Christian. But if I was in somewhere like NYC where there's a melting pot of different cultures and religions and I made the same statement some would ask, "Is Jim Jewish?" "Is he Buddhist?" "Is he Muslim?" So in that situation I would have to narrow it down and say, "Jim has faith in Christ." Now there's no question...

It can be narrowed down further by saying, "Jim is Lutheran." Now, I've not only told the person what faith Jim is but also what doctrine he follows within that faith.

So yes, it is all faith.

If I understand your and RayMan's beliefs enough to know that when you say "faith" you only mean one thing, then that is helpful. It would be just as helpful for you to know that when I say "my faith" it could be meant in the broader term (Christianity) or the narrower one (Christianity as taught in Catholic doctrine). It could even be meant in the much broader term (those who believe in God).

When I speak of "my faith" I am typically referring to my specific beliefs as a Pentecostal Christian, when I say "our faith" I'm referring to Christians in general...and when I simply say "faith" that would be the generic term for belief in God, no matter what ones religion is.

So, maybe we're on the same page here?

I am very sorry if RayMan is unhappy that I, like some Christians, believe there is correct and incorrect doctrine and thus include it when we speak of our "faith". I love and respect him -- and you, too, of course! -- but I cannot NOT believe what I believe to be true. I will just have to live with his disappointment in me.

I love and respect you as well Miss Terria. And I too believe that there are incorrect ways and doctrines...but if a Christian's faith is Biblically based then I don't believe it is incorrect.

:hug:

[smyrna]

Good morning my friends. Ahhhhhhhhh. That first sip of a good cup of coffee. It is great to be alive. Thank you Lord.

Lord, may you bless us with strength, courage and wisdom in great abundance. Let us use these gifts to glorify you. At the end of this day, it is our desire that you are well pleased. Amen


Everyone...we are going to have a super day today.

[RayMan]

The differences of doctrine and practice. I acknowledge it. Should I be using a different word than "faith"?


Apparently we have differing concepts of what we mean when using the word. When speaking of "the faith" I use it the way I believe Jude did.

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I believe "the faith" is Christianity, not Baptist, not Pentecostal nor Catholic.

I see Judaism as a different faith. I see Hinduism or Islam as different faiths. I don't see anyone who has put their faith in Christ for salvation as being of a different faith than myself since I have also placed my faith in Him.

I am sorry to have upset you and if you think I have bad feelings of any sort towards you or any other Catholic then I have done a extremely poor job of expressing myself. Which I apparently have done and which I apologize for. I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself on this subject.

I simply and sincerely don't get the concept of "defending the faith" when discussing religious doctrine with other Christian believers. But then again it does sound like I have a different viewpoint than many people on what the words "the faith" signify.

[Pollyanna]

I received this in an email today.

The 10 Commandments, in TXT Spk:



1. no1 b4 me. srsly.

2. dnt wrshp pix/idols

3. no omg's

4. no wrk on w/end (sat 4 now; sun l8r)

5. pos ok - ur m&d r cool

6. dnt kill ppl

7. :-X only w/ m8

8. dnt steal

9. dnt lie re: bf

10. dnt ogle ur bf's m8. or ox. or dnkey. myob.

M, pls rite on tabs & giv 2 ppl.

ttyl, JHWH.

ps. wwjd?

from:
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/10-commandments-txt-spk-3-no-omgs

[Meriweather]

[/b]
With all due respect Teriri. I don't recall seeing it and I have been paying attention. When is the last time a Catholic started a thread in TTTM about sombody disrespecting Pentecostals, Mormons or Baptists?

All I am really saying is that CID or I will bring those things up because we view all Christians, regardless of the name over the Church door as our brothers and sisters in Christ and don't feel that there is anything special about "our Church, because we are all part of THE Church. Call me overly sensitive but it doesn't seem like all y'all feel the same way.

A factor you may not be considering is how each of us perceives what should be reported to TTTM. I may not be quick to go there, but I think I am quick to speak up in threads here.

A second factor, RayMan, is simple deference. I have great confidence in you and other Pentecostals. When I read the post in question, perhaps even before you saw it, I truly didn't know whether it would be taken as good-natured ribbing or disrespect. So, yes, I held back. When you wrote it was disrespect, then it was you I supported, not by going to TTTM, but by stating my vote that the post be deleted. I still don't think cbut1 meant anything mean in his post, but nor did he seem to be willing to accept it was inappropriate given where we are and those present.

Third, I do try to let the parties involved handle matters as they think best. You may have noticed this when Tex and Mike had their differences over a discussion I was involved in. I would have handled it differently, but I completely respect their decisions to handle it in the manner they did.

[Meriweather]

Apparently we have differing concepts of what we mean when using the word. When speaking of "the faith" I use it the way I believe Jude did.

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I believe "the faith" is Christianity, not Baptist, not Pentecostal nor Catholic.

I see Judaism as a different faith. I see Hinduism or Islam as different faiths. I don't see anyone who has put their faith in Christ for salvation as being of a different faith than myself since I have also placed my faith in Him.

I am sorry to have upset you and if you think I have bad feelings of any sort towards you or any other Catholic then I have done a extremely poor job of expressing myself. Which I apparently have done and which I apologize for. I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself on this subject.

I simply and sincerely don't get the concept of "defending the faith" when discussing religious doctrine with other Christian believers. But then again it does sound like I have a different viewpoint than many people on what the words "the faith" signify.

No apology needed, RayMan. I, for one, am glad you took time to express your thoughts because they certainly are worth the time to consider and mull over. It also helps us to understand how you are look at faith.

I still believe it is important for me to correct misrepresentations of Catholic teachings (perhaps that is the more precise word). I feel if I take time to correct what some have wrong, it could be a step in showing others that our different denominations are not as widely split as they may believe. I believe Christian unity should matter to all of us.

[RayMan]

A factor you may not be considering is how each of us perceives what should be reported to TTTM. I may not be quick to go there, but I think I am quick to speak up in threads here.

A second factor, RayMan, is simple deference. I have great confidence in you and other Pentecostals. When I read the post in question, perhaps even before you saw it, I truly didn't know whether it would be taken as good-natured ribbing or disrespect. So, yes, I held back. When you wrote it was disrespect, then it was you I supported, not by going to TTTM, but by stating my vote that the post be deleted. I still don't think cbut1 meant anything mean in his post, but nor did he seem to be willing to accept it was inappropriate given where we are and those present.

Third, I do try to let the parties involved handle matters as they think best. You may have noticed this when Tex and Mike had their differences over a discussion I was involved in. I would have handled it differently, but I completely respect their decisions to handle it in the manner they did.


Morning Meri,
I should have simply made my statement about "defending the faith" against other Christians being something I don't understand and not tried to illustrate my point. It seems that the point is being ignored in favor of telling me why my illustration is wrong.

One of the next courses on my to do list for the General Ed requirement for the degree I am pursuing is English Comprehension and Writing. I think I had best take that this next quarter to improve my communication skills. Not to try and change people's beliefs or attempt to force them to agree with mine, just to be more comprehensible to the good folk here in the RF. :hug:

[RayMan]

No apology needed, RayMan. I, for one, am glad you took time to express your thoughts because they certainly are worth the time to consider and mull over. It also helps us to understand how you are look at faith.

I still believe it is important for me to correct misrepresentations of Catholic teachings (perhaps that is the more precise word). I feel if I take time to correct what some have wrong, it could be a step in showing others that our different denominations are not as widely split as they may believe. I believe Christian unity should matter to all of us.

Yep.

[Meriweather]

Yep.

I am curious about a matter kind of related to what we have been discussing. When LoneStarHero started the Flying Spaghetti Monster thread here in the Religion Forum, I was hoping we could all ignore it, and that it would slip away. That was a thread I felt disrespectful both to God and to all who believe in God. It was nicely down the page when you bumped it back up. I've been trying to understand why you did that. Truly, I don't mean to be critical--it really is just an overwhelming curiosity.

[RayMan]

I am curious about a matter kind of related to what we have been discussing. When LoneStarHero started the Flying Spaghetti Monster thread here in the Religion Forum, I was hoping we could all ignore it, and that it would slip away. That was a thread I felt disrespectful both to God and to all who believe in God. It was nicely down the page when you bumped it back up. I've been trying to understand why you did that. Truly, I don't mean to be critical--it really is just an overwhelming curiosity.


I thought it was just a fun goofy thread. So far as I know I haven't ever met a genuine Pastafarian just posers. Like a few others around here I have difficulty passing up the chance to post a smart alecky punch line. That thread posed so many opportunities in that area.

The flesh is weak. :redface:

[Meriweather]

I thought it was just a fun goofy thread. So far as I know I haven't ever met a genuine Pastafarian just posers. Like a few others around here I have difficulty passing up the chance to post a smart alecky punch line. That thread posed so many opportunities in that area.

The flesh is weak. :redface:


It was a goofy thread. I liked the thought of it in TP, or even General Interests (where Goose moved it); I didn't like it in the Religion Forum.

You're not weak that often! And thanks. I wondered, and now I understand.

[terri910]

Apparently we have differing concepts of what we mean when using the word. When speaking of "the faith" I use it the way I believe Jude did.

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I believe "the faith" is Christianity, not Baptist, not Pentecostal nor Catholic.

I see Judaism as a different faith. I see Hinduism or Islam as different faiths. I don't see anyone who has put their faith in Christ for salvation as being of a different faith than myself since I have also placed my faith in Him.

I am sorry to have upset you and if you think I have bad feelings of any sort towards you or any other Catholic then I have done a extremely poor job of expressing myself. Which I apparently have done and which I apologize for. I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself on this subject.

I simply and sincerely don't get the concept of "defending the faith" when discussing religious doctrine with other Christian believers. But then again it does sound like I have a different viewpoint than many people on what the words "the faith" signify.
I will probably take a closer look, later, at the first part of this and respond (I have to get to work), but I want to point something out to you.

You speak here about defending "the faith" and here is what I said (bolding mine, just as you bolded the entire sentence previously):
Also...when I see someone mischaracterizing my faith I am compelled to defend it.
As I said, it may be good to know that you use the word "faith" in only one way. But it would be helpful if you realized that I use it in both broad and narrower terms. And since that sentence was me having to justify (and yes, that is EXACTLY what I felt I was being asked to do) my participation in the Trinity thread, it might have been a clue that I might be defending my faith (which to me is synonymus with belief) in the doctrine of the Trinity.

I will only add this: you can disagree with me regarding faith, doctrine, theology -- all that -- every day of the week and twice on Sunday, and not hurt me. What hurt me was your very strong implication that I do not defend those in this forum who are not Catholic.

[meggers49]

Smart thinking. Kinda like when I'm drinking Scotch.

Some folks cut it with water. If I want water I'll drink water, but if I want Scotch I drink Scotch.

my brother feels the same way about whiskey. "You don't dilute perfection."

[meggers49]

I'm all for charity, that would be the best thing.

As far as health care goes...and I realized this sometime in the few years I was selling insurance...The problem is people running to the Dr. over the smallest thing...They've got sniffles they go to the Dr....They got a hangnail, they go to the Dr...I'm exaggerating, but not much...When they go they pay their 10, 20 or 30 dollar copay..The Dr. then runs a multitude of useless tests, and sticks it to the insurance company at a jacked up rate. They'll charge as high as the insurance company will allow the to do so...

I don't have regular health insurance, nor does my wife...We have a major medical plan, which is fairly inexpensive...It will pay in the event of surgery, fractures, terminal illness, hospital stays, etc...Things like the flu, sinus infection, bronchitis we pay out of pocket...and guess what...it's not that expensive...they don't run all the useless tests, they check me out, give me a shot, prescribe some meds and it's not even $100 minus the prescriptions...

If more people would be willing to pay out of pocket there wouldn't be all this whining...And if the insurance companies had stricter guidelines the Dr.'s wouldn't be jacking up their fees.

Technology is a separate issue...should the taxpayers pay for that...if there wasn't 9 million useless things we were already paying for then maybe.

CID, i'd rather people went to their doctor for sniffles and a hangnail than come to the emergency department for same, and they do it CONSTANTLY.

as to paying out of pocket, it's like my mom was saying regarding a commercial for a local HMO. The commercial talked about how much money they saved going to xyz hmo.

and the kicker of the commercial was 'with the money we saved we went to disneyworld', to which my mom said, "this is the problem with health care, people's priorities are wrong. They want health care for cheap and to have money for vacations."

we don't have our priorities in order. Wants come before needs and most people can't tell the difference any more.

[meggers49]

see ya later guys, headin' to bed for a couple hours. have a good day.

[Meriweather]

see ya later guys, headin' to bed for a couple hours. have a good day.


Hope you rest well. We'll see you later. Dream good dreams, too.

[RayMan]

I will probably take a closer look, later, at the first part of this and respond (I have to get to work), but I want to point something out to you.

You speak here about defending "the faith" and here is what I said (bolding mine, just as you bolded the entire sentence previously):

As I said, it may be good to know that you use the word "faith" in only one way. But it would be helpful if you realized that I use it in both broad and narrower terms. And since that sentence was me having to justify (and yes, that is EXACTLY what I felt I was being asked to do) my participation in the Trinity thread, it might have been a clue that I might be defending my faith (which to me is synonymus with belief) in the doctrine of the Trinity.

I will only add this: you can disagree with me regarding faith, doctrine, theology -- all that -- every day of the week and twice on Sunday, and not hurt me. What hurt me was your very strong implication that I do not defend those in this forum who are not Catholic.



Actually Terria if you go back over my earlier post you will see that I put quotes around the phrase "the faith," it is in no way correct to say that I only view faith in only one way.

Most Pentecostals have a different view of faith than other Christians. We see lots of differents types of faith listed in the N.T. When I write faith with "the" in front of it as in the verse I quoted from Jude I am speaking, as I believe Jude was of the whole ball of wax which encompasses THE Christian Faith, not my personal faith in Christ, not my faith for healing, my faith that God will deliver me from every evil think that attacks my faith, not my faith that my kids will all turn out alright because they were brought up in "THE Faith" and their mom and I pray for them "in" faith.

The N.T. speaks of many different manifestations of faith. Strong faith, weak faith, great faith, little faith, no faith. In all these contexts the faith referred to is describing actively trusting God and believing in both his ability and willingness to deliver and protect according to the promises in His word. It's a Pentecostal thing.

Please accept my apology for hurting your feelings. That was not my intent. The treatment of Catholicism as "a faith" or "the faith" separate from the rest of the Christian faith community is just something rubs my fur the wrong way whether it is being done by Catholics or non-Catholics.


It never occurs to me to present "my faith" as Pentecostalism. My faith is in Christ and is therefore "the Christian faith." The fact that I am part of a different subset of Christianity means nothing to me when dealing with other believers who consider themselves Christians.

I might start a thread on the many different manifestations of personal faith there are within "the faith" called Christianity.


BTW - I am sorry that I gave you the idea I was singling you out for censure. I have indeed seen you stick up for those who are outside your own subset of Christian belief. I should have been more clear in pointing out that I was talking about what I see as a general pattern with a number of our Catholic posters rather than trying to accuse you personally of not caring for non-Catholic Christian believers.

[Hadassah]

Feels so good to have lost weight and have people notice. :dance:

[RayMan]

Feels so good to have lost weight and have people notice. :dance:

Why yes it does. Thank you so much for mentioning it. :cool:

[Hadassah]

Why yes it does. Thank you so much for mentioning it. :cool:

You're welcome. ;)







(oh, you have guys whistling at you, too? Wait, what am I saying? You live in S.F. :doh::doh: )

[RayMan]

You're welcome. ;)







(oh, you have guys whistling at you, too? Wait, what am I saying? You live in S.F. :doh::doh: )

All day every day.




I get no attention at all from the lesbians though.

[terri910]

Actually Terria if you go back over my earlier post you will see that I put quotes around the phrase "the faith," it is in no way correct to say that I only view faith in only one way.
Then I welcome clarification in that regard. It appears to me, now, that you are speaking of "the faith." Would it be correct to say that you only view "the faith" in one way?

Most Pentecostals have a different view of faith than other Christians. We see lots of differents types of faith listed in the N.T. When I write faith with "the" in front of it as in the verse I quoted from Jude I am speaking, as I believe Jude was of the whole ball of wax which encompasses THE Christian Faith, not my personal faith in Christ, not my faith for healing, my faith that God will deliver me from every evil think that attacks my faith, not my faith that my kids will all turn out alright because they were brought up in "THE Faith" and their mom and I pray for them "in" faith.That's fine. Please note that what sent you off on your rant (your word, not mine) was not me saying "THE faith" but "MY faith." Perhaps you can understand my surprise (among a few other emotions) at being the recipient of said rant.

Please accept my apology for hurting your feelings. That was not my intent. The treatment of Catholicism as "a faith" or "the faith" separate from the rest of the Christian faith community is just something rubs my fur the wrong way whether it is being done by Catholics or non-Catholics.


It never occurs to me to present "my faith" as Pentecostalism. My faith is in Christ and is therefore "the Christian faith." The fact that I am part of a different subset of Christianity means nothing to me when dealing with other believers who consider themselves Christians.

I might start a thread on the many different manifestations of personal faith there are within "the faith" called Christianity.That it doesn't occur to you is fine for you, Ray. That it occurs to me to present "MY faith" as everything I believe (including doctrines that may or may not be shared by any other denomination) when discussing doctrine (hello? Trinity thread? The thing that started this?), was not, in my humble opinion, worthy of what I received. By the way, apology accepted.


BTW - I am sorry that I gave you the idea I was singling you out for censure. I have indeed seen you stick up for those who are outside your own subset of Christian belief. I should have been more clear in pointing out that I was talking about what I see as a general pattern with a number of our Catholic posters rather than trying to accuse you personally of not caring for non-Catholic Christian believers.
Well, I am part of "us guys" and Hadassah is part of "us guys" and Meriweather is part of "us guys" so when you say "I don't recall seeing it and I have been paying attention" that includes me, and them, IMO. So...when you take your class on English Comprehension and Writing, revisit this whole conversation, and maybe you can let me know where each of us messed up in that regard.

The apology contained in this last paragraph was the only one that mattered to me. It was that implication that had me crying myself to sleep last night and the apology is the one that has me crying at my desk this morning.

I'm afraid my give-a-damn just isn't broke enough.

[terri910]

Feels so good to have lost weight and have people notice. :dance:
I wouldn't know. :cry:

Actually, I do know. I did that once or twice and it does feel good. Congratulations, Hadassah! :hug:

[Hadassah]

All day every day.




I get no attention at all from the lesbians though.

Yeah, the lesbians ignore me, too.

[RayMan]

Yeah, the lesbians ignore me, too.

Fly out here and we will go out to lunch to a place I know.

[RayMan]

Then I welcome clarification in that regard. It appears to me, now, that you are speaking of "the faith." Would it be correct to say that you only view "the faith" in one way?

That's fine. Please note that what sent you off on your rant (your word, not mine) was not me saying "THE faith" but "MY faith." Perhaps you can understand my surprise (among a few other emotions) at being the recipient of said rant.

That it doesn't occur to you is fine for you, Ray. That it occurs to me to present "MY faith" as everything I believe (including doctrines that may or may not be shared by any other denomination) when discussing doctrine (hello? Trinity thread? The thing that started this?), was not, in my humble opinion, worthy of what I received. By the way, apology accepted.



Well, I am part of "us guys" and Hadassah is part of "us guys" and Meriweather is part of "us guys" so when you say "I don't recall seeing it and I have been paying attention" that includes me, and them, IMO. So...when you take your class on English Comprehension and Writing, revisit this whole conversation, and maybe you can let me know where each of us messed up in that regard.

The apology contained in this last paragraph was the only one that mattered to me. It was that implication that had me crying myself to sleep last night and the apology is the one that has me crying at my desk this morning.

I'm afraid my give-a-damn just isn't broke enough.

I am perfectly willing to take the blame for muddying the waters. Catholic terminology is very difficult for me to understand at times. In a conversation I had sometime back with another Catholic poster I got the idea that Catholics have a very different concept of personal faith and that "my faith" when written by a Catholic basically meant "the Catholic faith."

I still don't get "accidents" but I accept and respect the concept. :hug:


I think I will start that thread on faith though unless CID beats me to it. *cough, cough, ahem, I'm coughing in your general direction CID.*

[Meriweather]

Terri, I know I speak in behalf of everyone when I say I am so sorry that you are in tears. :hug:

One point that should be made RayMan, and was made recently in TTTM, is that people do have a choice. We can choose to ignore, and let an incident slip away without comment, or we can make a report to TTTM. It is an individual's best judgment that comes into play on whether to report or not.

Not making a report, in my opinion, is no indication what-so-ever, that a person is allowing anyone or any group, to be mocked or disrespected. We all know the moment a report is made, a hundred times, perhaps even a thousand times, more attention is given to a post that would have otherwise been forgotten an instant later.

We know each other well enough here that we should be able to trust the decisions each makes.

Take heart, Terri. Most of this is simple misunderstanding that needed a chance for airing and clarification.

[Mimiheart]

My foster sister has one son who is my middle daughter's age with some learning disabilities and behavior problems, and a daughter who is a year and a half younger than my youngest. The two children don't have the same father. The boy's father was going to school and doing well. She cheated on him with the girl's father. They got a divorce, and father A left.

The girl's father is an utter sleazeball. He's one of those people you meet and you just can't wait to get out of his presence so you can wash his "slime" off you. (I'm not the only one who feels this way about him.) He's really just a creep. He also has kids my foster sister's age and treats her son like something to wipe off your shoe. A year ago she left him (I don't know if they were married and divorced, or if they just never married, in the end, she's no longer with him.)

I don't speak to her much. We're not unfriendly towards each other, it's just we both have busy lives and not much in common other than kids. (Our parenting styles are very different.) I got a text message from her yesterday out of the blue asking how I was. I told her "fine, you?" She said, "In a word, pregnant--don't tell mom yet."

*sigh*

[Meriweather]

My foster sister has one son who is my middle daughter's age with some learning disabilities and behavior problems, and a daughter who is a year and a half younger than my youngest. The two children don't have the same father. The boy's father was going to school and doing well. She cheated on him with the girl's father. They got a divorce, and father A left.

The girl's father is an utter sleazeball. He's one of those people you meet and you just can't wait to get out of his presence so you can wash his "slime" off you. (I'm not the only one who feels this way about him.) He's really just a creep. He also has kids my foster sister's age and treats her son like something to wipe off your shoe. A year ago she left him (I don't know if they were married and divorced, or if they just never married, in the end, she's no longer with him.)

I don't speak to her much. We're not unfriendly towards each other, it's just we both have busy lives and not much in common other than kids. (Our parenting styles are very different.) I got a text message from her yesterday out of the blue asking how I was. I told her "fine, you?" She said, "In a word, pregnant--don't tell mom yet."

*sigh*

Yes. Double sigh.

[Meriweather]

Morning Devotional


Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak. (James 1:19)



Are You a Good Listener?


Someone quipped, "God gave us two ears and one mouth because we need to listen twice as much as we talk." Learning that means being "quick to listen, slow to speak." Good listening builds relationships. But good listeners aren't born, they're bred! So here are a few suggestions to improve your listening:

(1) Listen without interrupting. Resist the temptation to jump in and finish the sentence, or hijack the floor. Rein yourself in - just listen.

(2) Listen to understand. Try to understand their point of view, feelings, thinking and needs. Good listening is hearing what they actually think, mean or feel, not what you imagine they do. Instead of guessing, ask, "Am I understanding you correctly? Do you mean...? Are you feeling...?" In other words, don't assume - verify.

(3) Listen without judging. Don't rush to conclusions. If what they say doesn't quite add up, keep listening. "He who answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him" (Pr 18:13). When you hear more, it may make sense.

(4) Listen without correcting, countering or devaluing. Saying, "That's not the way it was," or, "What did you expect? If you hadn't..." or, "You're just being too sensitive," puts people on guard and stops real communication.

(5) Validate the speaker. Accept their perceptions and feelings as valid expressions of a valued person. "If I understand you correctly, you're thinking...feeling...Am I right?" Ask them to help get you on the same page with them. "Given what you've told me, I can see why you'd feel what you feel," is very validating and will increase their confidence and willingness to consider the solutions you may offer.


waio.org

[Meriweather]

Today in the news...

Fremont teenager (sixteen years old) has decided to run for City Council. (Not a prank; seems to be serious.)

A couple of terrorist names have shown up on the Air France flight list.

The President wants to borrow money in order to "jump start" national health care.

[Hadassah]

My foster sister has one son who is my middle daughter's age with some learning disabilities and behavior problems, and a daughter who is a year and a half younger than my youngest. The two children don't have the same father. The boy's father was going to school and doing well. She cheated on him with the girl's father. They got a divorce, and father A left.

The girl's father is an utter sleazeball. He's one of those people you meet and you just can't wait to get out of his presence so you can wash his "slime" off you. (I'm not the only one who feels this way about him.) He's really just a creep. He also has kids my foster sister's age and treats her son like something to wipe off your shoe. A year ago she left him (I don't know if they were married and divorced, or if they just never married, in the end, she's no longer with him.)

I don't speak to her much. We're not unfriendly towards each other, it's just we both have busy lives and not much in common other than kids. (Our parenting styles are very different.) I got a text message from her yesterday out of the blue asking how I was. I told her "fine, you?" She said, "In a word, pregnant--don't tell mom yet."

*sigh*

Children are a blessing from the Lord. I just wish more people would understand that and not put themselves in stupid situations and get pregnant and if they do, I wish they'd wake up and learn to be better people so that they don't keep harming their blessings from the Lord.



And we women need to start picking better men!

[CID_0687]

I am perfectly willing to take the blame for muddying the waters. Catholic terminology is very difficult for me to understand at times. In a conversation I had sometime back with another Catholic poster I got the idea that Catholics have a very different concept of personal faith and that "my faith" when written by a Catholic basically meant "the Catholic faith."

I still don't get "accidents" but I accept and respect the concept. :hug:


I think I will start that thread on faith though unless CID beats me to it. *cough, cough, ahem, I'm coughing in your general direction CID.*
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1505771

[Meriweather]

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1505771

Nice job to both you and RayMan. I could tell you both it's about time--it's been in the works long enough--but instead I'll just say I was very happy to finally see it.

[meggers49]

Today in the news...

Fremont teenager (sixteen years old) has decided to run for City Council. (Not a prank; seems to be serious.)

A couple of terrorist names have shown up on the Air France flight list.

The President wants to borrow money in order to "jump start" national health care.

1) probably couldn't do worse than any adult these days.

2) didn't hear that.....poses interesting questions

3) yeah, that's worked so well so far with the other areas.

[CID_0687]

Nice job to both you and RayMan. I could tell you both it's about time--it's been in the works long enough--but instead I'll just say I was very happy to finally see it.
You were happy to see feelings get hurt?

You should be ashamed. :snooty:

[Meriweather]

You were happy to see feelings get hurt?

You should be ashamed. :snooty:

I sometimes wonder which universe the rest of you live in. What makes me happy is that which may have been simmering being brought up for a look-see--and healing occurring.

Buck up. ;)

[CID_0687]

I sometimes wonder which universe the rest of you live in. What makes me happy is that which may have been simmering being brought up for a look-see--and healing occurring.

Buck up. ;)
We all live in Normalville, it's you that we're worried about. :razz:

[Meriweather]

We all live in Normalville, it's you that we're worried about. :razz:


It's because Fire Watch said I was delusional, isn't it? I'll grant you that he has great intelligence, but he's wrong about that.

[RayMan]

It's because Fire Watch said I was delusional, isn't it? I'll grant you that he has great intelligence, but he's wrong about that.


Did the pink pony in the garden tell you that FW was wrong about that? :whistle:

[Dancer]

:wall: I really should stay out of the WP forum

[RayMan]

:wall: I really should stay out of the WP forum

Ya think?

It's a jungle in there.

[Dancer]

Ya think?

It's a jungle in there.:wall:I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not resp....:wall:

[Meriweather]

:wall:I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not resp....:wall:


As an RF poster in good standing, you are allowed to vent in this thread. We'll allow you ten posts. Besides, you now have me curious. Can you give me a synopsis? If not, sigh, post the link and I'll do the research.

[RayMan]

:wall:I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not respond with political rhetoric in the RF. I will not resp....:wall:

Shucks, all you have to say is, "you're right Ray." That always works. :whistle:

[Meriweather]

Shucks, all you have to say is, "you're right Ray." That always works. :whistle:

So says the man who believes I have a pink pony in the garden that talks to me.

[RayMan]

So says the man who believes I have a pink pony in the garden that talks to me.


Just try it. That's all I'm saying.

"You're right Ray."


Easiest thing in the world to do.

[Dancer]

As an RF poster in good standing, you are allowed to vent in this thread. We'll allow you ten posts. Besides, you now have me curious. Can you give me a synopsis? If not, sigh, post the link and I'll do the research.I was called a 'lib' because I agreed that Tim McVeigh was an extreme right wing terrorist.

However, I also was pointing out various terrorist tactics of the left wing that aren't ever called 'terrorism' when you hear about them on the news.

[Dancer]

Shucks, all you have to say is, "you're right Ray." That always works. :whistle:
I had a two paragraph response and had to delete it because I was venting politics in the RF. It wasn't you, it was me I was reminding...lol ;)

[Meriweather]

I was called a 'lib' because I agreed that Tim McVeigh was an extreme right wing terrorist.

However, I also was pointing out various terrorist tactics of the left wing that aren't ever called 'terrorism' when you hear about them on the news.

Who called you a lib? That's hilarious. I didn't think WP was quite so funny.

[Dancer]

Who called you a lib? That's hilarious. I didn't think WP was quite so funny.B'ent anuf? I think that's his name.

[RayMan]

I had a two paragraph response and had to delete it because I was venting politics in the RF. It wasn't you, it was me I was reminding...lol ;)


I assumed you were talking to yourself. :))

[Dancer]

Shucks, all you have to say is, "you're right Ray." That always works. :whistle:lol, considering your sig line says you "ain't always right" I don't see how that could "always" work. ;)

I'll try it though... "You're right Ray."

Now, what are you right about again?

[Hadassah]

:wall: I really should stay out of the WP forum

I can so relate to that.

[Hadassah]

My oldest nephew is graduating high school this month. He also just got his driver's license. Just now I found out he's starting a new job in a few weeks at a restuarant called "Quaker Steak and Lube". I kid you not.

[RayMan]

My oldest nephew is graduating high school this month. He also just got his driver's license. Just now I found out he's starting a new job in a few weeks at a restuarant called "Quaker Steak and Lube". I kid you not.


We don't believe anything around here without pictures, so here's the website.

http://www.quakersteakandlube.com/

[Hadassah]

We don't believe anything around here without pictures, so here's the website.

http://www.quakersteakandlube.com/

You needed evidence? I find your lack of faith.......disturbing.
















:)) I've been waiting so long to use that line

[CID_0687]

:)) I knew my dog was stupid but she has now been promoted to certifiable moron.

She was sitting with me in the recliner and decided she wanted to go to my wife on the couch. Which wouldn't be a problem if I had the foot rest on the recliner up. She decided she was Peter Pan and leaped towards the couch only to hit her head on the armrest and went crashing to the floor. :))

[RayMan]

You needed evidence? I find your lack of faith.......disturbing.
















:)) I've been waiting so long to use that line


I live to serve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4T7_XI7WM

Standard YouTube naughty word possibility warning.

[RayMan]

:)) I knew my dog was stupid but she has now been promoted to certifiable moron.

She was sitting with me in the recliner and decided she wanted to go to my wife on the couch. Which wouldn't be a problem if I had the foot rest on the recliner up. She decided she was Peter Pan and leaped towards the couch only to hit her head on the armrest and went crashing to the floor. :))


My dog, who weighs sixty pounds and is nine years old, still wants to be a lap dog now and then when I am in the recliner. When she decides she is done doing that she invariably reaches lift off speed by pushing both back feet firmly against my groin and pushing.

I then yell at her in an extremely high pitched voice.

[CID_0687]

My dog, who weighs sixty pounds and is nine years old, still wants to be a lap dog now and then when I am in the recliner. When she decides she is done doing that she invariably reaches lift off speed by pushing both back feet firmly against my groin and pushing.

I then yell at her in an extremely high pitched voice.
Now I'm afeered. Everything I have read says Layla will be between 60 and 100 lbs. That won't be good for the naughty parts.

[RayMan]

Now I'm afeered. Everything I have read says Layla will be between 60 and 100 lbs. That won't be good for the naughty parts.



No...no it isn't.

It hasn't been good at all.

[Meriweather]

You guys make me glad I'm a gal. My dog story is extremely tame. A dog followed me home yesterday and waltzed right into my house ahead of me. I told him he had to go home. He said, "woof" and left. (The end)

[RayMan]

You guys make me glad I'm a gal. My dog story is extremely tame. A dog followed me home yesterday and waltzed right into my house ahead of me. I told him he had to go home. He said, "woof" and left. (The end)

He probably went out back to play with the pony.

[CID_0687]

You guys make me glad I'm a gal. My dog story is extremely tame. A dog followed me home yesterday and waltzed right into my house ahead of me. I told him he had to go home. He said, "woof" and left. (The end)
See this why you never ask a woman to tell a story or give you directions.

[RayMan]

See this why you never ask a woman to tell a story or give you directions.


Her post did make me yawn now that you mention it.

http://bestsmileys.com/yawning/1.gif

[Meriweather]

He probably went out back to play with the pony.

:))

[Meriweather]

See this why you never ask a woman to tell a story or give you directions.


Your turn to tell me a story. Please.

[Meriweather]

Her post did make me yawn now that you mention it.

http://bestsmileys.com/yawning/1.gif


You can re-tell it to yourself after you are in bed tonight. If it is as bad as you claim, you will be asleep within seconds. If you are not...well, then you must apologize tomorrow.

[CID_0687]

Your turn to tell me a story. Please.
I just told my story about the Peter Pan dog.

Pay attention Meri.

[Meriweather]

I just told my story about the Peter Pan dog.

Pay attention Meri.

I would like another story. It's been a long day. I would have liked to have seen illustrations with the Peter Pan dog story, but my imagination filled in pretty well. Do I get a second story from you tonight?

[CID_0687]

I would like another story. It's been a long day. I would have liked to have seen illustrations with the Peter Pan dog story, but my imagination filled in pretty well. Do I get a second story from you tonight?
Perhaps...but something will have to trigger it...I can't come up with a story on command...My ADD won't allow it....

[Meriweather]

Perhaps...but something will have to trigger it...I can't come up with a story on command...My ADD won't allow it....

Very well. Maybe you could think of a story about your dad. I haven't heard too much about him, but what I have heard, I admire.

[RayMan]

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:CxDIchK4tINkWM::keithdevens.com/images/weblog/beagle4rm.jpeg

I would like another story. It's been a long day. I would have liked to have seen illustrations with the Peter Pan dog story, but my imagination filled in pretty well. Do I get a second story from you tonight?

[CID_0687]

Very well. Maybe you could think of a story about your dad. I haven't heard too much about him, but what I have heard, I admire.
Here's one...He was Army CID...his badge number was 0687. ;)

[Meriweather]

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:CxDIchK4tINkWM::keithdevens.com/images/weblog/beagle4rm.jpeg

Perfect. How about another story from you tonight, too? Something from the sixties, perhaps?

[CID_0687]

Perfect. How about another story from you tonight, too? Something from the sixties, perhaps?
He can't remember the 60s. :rolleyes:

[Meriweather]

Here's one...He was Army CID...his badge number was 0687. ;)

That's the kind of story Fire Watch tells. If I had wanted that kind of story, I would have asked him.

Try again.

[RayMan]

Perfect. How about another story from you tonight, too? Something from the sixties, perhaps?


I have to agree with Paul Kantner of the Jefferson Airplane, or for you kids in your forties, the Jefferson Starship.


If you can remember anything about the sixties, you weren't really there.
Paul Kantner (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/paulkantne101385.html)

[Meriweather]

He can't remember the 60s. :rolleyes:

:))

Unfortunately, this means you must now tell me two stories, CID, to take up the slack.

[CID_0687]

I have to agree with Paul Kantner of the Jefferson Airplane, or for you kids in your forties, the Jefferson Starship.


If you can remember anything about the sixties, you weren't really there.
Paul Kantner (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/paulkantne101385.html)
See....What'd I tell ya.

[Meriweather]

See....What'd I tell ya.

You guys are hopeless. Meggers, Noelle, I see both of you. Hi! I'm in the mood for stories tonight.

[meggers49]

Now I'm afeered. Everything I have read says Layla will be between 60 and 100 lbs. That won't be good for the naughty parts.

Sad when a cup is required loungewear....

[CID_0687]

That's the kind of story Fire Watch tells. If I had wanted that kind of story, I would have asked him.

Try again.
I have his authentic passport and Greek driver's license with his assumed identity that was made for him when he worked undercover narcotics in Germany in the 70s.

[Meriweather]

I have his authentic passport and Greek driver's license with his assumed identity that was made for him when he worked undercover narcotics in Germany in the 70s.

Now that's cool. I knew you could tell a better story.

[CID_0687]

Sad when a cup is required loungewear....
:))

[meggers49]

You guys are hopeless. Meggers, Noelle, I see both of you. Hi! I'm in the mood for stories tonight.

what kind of stories??

one from work from many years ago. I was triaging a little old lady and getting her list of medications from her. She said, "i take this and this and this and this and i take FROLIC ACID." I remained very professional and said 'thank you very much, the doctor will be in soon," walked out to the nurse's station and promptly cracked up because she obviously ment FOLIC ACID...

We wrote it in our 'great ED quotes" book.

[Meriweather]

what kind of stories??

one from work from many years ago. I was triaging a little old lady and getting her list of medications from her. She said, "i take this and this and this and this and i take FROLIC ACID." I remained very professional and said 'thank you very much, the doctor will be in soon," walked out to the nurse's station and promptly cracked up because she obviously ment FOLIC ACID...

We wrote it in our 'great ED quotes" book.

:))

Great story, Meggers. This should serve as great inspiration to CID and RayMan.

[CID_0687]

Now that's cool. I knew you could tell a better story.
He was known as Andre.....that's all that's needed...He couldn't speak a word of Greek or Italian...:))

So he usually played the roll of the bodyguard...His partner Jim, who was known as Tex but came from NYC, always made it a point when they were with a dealer to make sure they knew, "Andre don't talk...anything needs to be said, you tell me, don't say a word to Andre or he'll kill you..."

If Andre did speak it was in broken English or German, which of course Pops was fluent in both....or he'd just grunt.

Andre and Tex were in the middle of a big heroin deal with two Turks and an Israeli named David...David was a little weasel looking guy, Andre was big and strong like bull...

They were at this bar discussing the transaction and David had to go to the bathroom, Tex instructed Andre to go with him and keep an eye on him...The bathroom was down a couple of steps, Andre wasn't paying attention, missed a step, twists his ankle and then begins to fluently cuss in English.

David hears this, "I thought you did not know English!!, You are American!!"

Andre picks up the little weasel, pulls his gun and says "One more word and it will be your last."

Little David went running out of the bar...and according to Andre a stream of urine went with him. :))

[Hadassah]

here's a funny one that just occured.


I'm in my bedroom and my son can't sleep so he decides to crawl in my bed. We're talking and I turn on the fan in my window to cool off my room. Both of us said "ahh!" because the air felt soooo good. Then........I'm saying "Ewww! What's that smell?" at the same time my son is saying "Ewww! I smell skunk!" Choke and be cool or breathe and be hot. What's a gal to do? :think:





:))

[RayMan]

He can't remember the 60s. :rolleyes:

Dude, I was researching the Paul Kantner quote while you were posting this. Too freaking funny and true.

Although I do remember being in the Haight in '67, Telegraph Ave in Berkeley in '68 and attending the Stones concert at the Altamont Speedway in '69.


Please don't ask for details. Those are kind of fuzzy at best.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Dc9AMx9QZvo1VM:http://www.carryabigsticker.com/images/peace_sign_rainbow_300.gif


I still believe that all you need is love but that's just me.

[RayMan]

Sad when a cup is required loungewear....

Yep. It's like my 9th grade Jr Varsity wrestling team past has caught up with me.

[RayMan]

what kind of stories??

one from work from many years ago. I was triaging a little old lady and getting her list of medications from her. She said, "i take this and this and this and this and i take FROLIC ACID." I remained very professional and said 'thank you very much, the doctor will be in soon," walked out to the nurse's station and promptly cracked up because she obviously ment FOLIC ACID...

We wrote it in our 'great ED quotes" book.


I dropped Frolic Acid before many a Grateful Dead show in the early '70s. But here in the Bay Area we called it Orange Sunshine or Blue Cheer. :))

[RayMan]

here's a funny one that just occured.


I'm in my bedroom and my son can't sleep so he decides to crawl in my bed. We're talking and I turn on the fan in my window to cool off my room. Both of us said "ahh!" because the air felt soooo good. Then........I'm saying "Ewww! What's that smell?" at the same time my son is saying "Ewww! I smell skunk!" Choke and be cool or breathe and be hot. What's a gal to do? :think:





:))

You might want to try a stronger deodorant. Just sayin'. :whistle::whistle:

[Hadassah]

You might want to try a stronger deodorant. Just sayin'. :whistle::whistle:

You really don't want me to post the evil thought that came to mind when I read your post. :twisted:

[RayMan]

You really don't want me to post the evil thought that came to mind when I read your post. :twisted:


Sure I do.

[Hadassah]

Sure I do.

I'll Pm it to you instead.

[Meriweather]

He was known as Andre.....that's all that's needed...He couldn't speak a word of Greek or Italian...:))

So he usually played the roll of the bodyguard...His partner Jim, who was known as Tex but came from NYC, always made it a point when they were with a dealer to make sure they knew, "Andre don't talk...anything needs to be said, you tell me, don't say a word to Andre or he'll kill you..."

If Andre did speak it was in broken English or German, which of course Pops was fluent in both....or he'd just grunt.

Andre and Tex were in the middle of a big heroin deal with two Turks and an Israeli named David...David was a little weasel looking guy, Andre was big and strong like bull...

They were at this bar discussing the transaction and David had to go to the bathroom, Tex instructed Andre to go with him and keep an eye on him...The bathroom was down a couple of steps, Andre wasn't paying attention, missed a step, twists his ankle and then begins to fluently cuss in English.

David hears this, "I thought you did not know English!!, You are American!!"

Andre picks up the little weasel, pulls his gun and says "One more word and it will be your last."

Little David went running out of the bar...and according to Andre a stream of urine went with him. :))

Now that's a story! Thanks, CID. :hug:

[Meriweather]

here's a funny one that just occured.


I'm in my bedroom and my son can't sleep so he decides to crawl in my bed. We're talking and I turn on the fan in my window to cool off my room. Both of us said "ahh!" because the air felt soooo good. Then........I'm saying "Ewww! What's that smell?" at the same time my son is saying "Ewww! I smell skunk!" Choke and be cool or breathe and be hot. What's a gal to do? :think:



:))

I can only hope that if the skunks are at your place tonight, it means they won't be at mine. Thanks for taking them off my hands for one night!

[RayMan]

I'll Pm it to you instead.


I assumed you would.

[Fire Watch]

meh

[Meriweather]

Good to see you, Fire Watch. What have you been up to?

[CID_0687]

Das Rick!!

[RayMan]

'sup Miracle Gro boy?

[smyrna]

It's late...good night all. See you in the am.



Last one up is a rotten egg.

[RayMan]

It's late...good night all. See you in the am.



Last one up is a rotten egg.


My money's on CID.

[Meriweather]

It's late...good night all. See you in the am.



Last one up is a rotten egg.

Good night, Smyrna. Sleep well. Thanks for the challenge. I'll bet I can beat both RayMan and CID.

[CID_0687]

:snooty:

[Fire Watch]

Working..meh

[CID_0687]

He says so little, and yet so much.

[Meriweather]

He says so little, and yet so much.

I think he should tell us a story. I've extracted one from everyone else tonight.

[terri910]

I think he should tell us a story. I've extracted one from everyone else tonight.
A decent story before going to bed would be nice.

[CID_0687]

A decent story before going to bed would be nice.
Bedtime story...I can do that.


Once upon a time, in a land far far away, there lived an ogre, and four Mary Men...not to be confused with Merry Men...

On second thought, I'll let someone else tell the story.

[terri910]

Bedtime story...I can do that.


Once upon a time, in a land far far away, there lived an ogre, and four Mary Men...not to be confused with Merry Men...

On second thought, I'll let someone else tell the story.
Just don't make it four Marry Men...

[CID_0687]

Just don't make it four Marry Men...
Very true...of course the Mary Men ar.....ah, forget it. :))

[terri910]

I gotta log off, take a few Tylenols, and get some sleep. Tomorrow is another day.

As it happens, there is a rather nice guy waiting for me to curl up with him until I fall asleep.


In light of that, why I'm sitting here at the computer escapes me at the moment. :mrgreen:


See you all tomorrow. Have a good evening...!

[Fire Watch]

Nite

[free2B]

listen to the sun
let's go have fun
nurtureing the earth
for all that it's worth
the warmth that we feel
can the whole earth heal
radiate your rays
light up our days
without expectations without demands
give of yourself with loveing hands
listen to the creek
hear the waters speak
relax with the flow
this is what I know
go with whats real
forget about the deal
rest and let it go
let your spirit grow
move without fear
the Son will soon be here
don't hesitate
it may just be too late
join in the fun
giggle laugh and run

me

[smyrna]

This earth I do roam
In search of a poem
The combination of ink
That's just what I think

Until that time
When I find that rhyme
It will be good enough for me
To read free2B

me

Good morning all. Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, (something else that I'll never know) and wise.:D

[blazer]

Good morning smyrna! that is so true!

[smyrna]

Good morning smyrna! that is so true!

Whasssup blazer? How are things at the cabin? I don't smell any breakfast yet. Have you got the coffee on yet?:D

[blazer]

not yet, I am working on it!

[Meriweather]

Bedtime story...I can do that.


Once upon a time, in a land far far away, there lived an ogre, and four Mary Men...not to be confused with Merry Men...

On second thought, I'll let someone else tell the story.

Ah, CID, I can’t believe you messed up that story. Here we go again…I’ll start, and then you can take over.

Once upon a time, in a land far away, there lived an ogre and four Meri men…not to to be confused with merry men…. They were called “Meri Men” because to them fell the job of protecting this land, called Hannityland, from the likes of people called Meri. The ogre’s name, of course, is Fire Watch. The four men are commonly known as CID, RayMan, Smyrna, and Koushi.

The ogre and the men were all quite content, hunting, fishing, playing football…until, one day... Meri wanders in. “Would you look at that,” noted CID . “She acts like we allow just anyone here.”

“I’ll bet she’ll want to keep a pink pony in the back garden,” RayMan said.

“Doesn’t look to be much of a shopper,” Smyrna added. “You know the type. Won’t help the economy.”

“Worse,” Koushi said, “She’s married.”

“I’m hungry,” said the ogre. “I want taters.”

“Duty first,” said the four men. “We’ve spotted a Meri for you—and now it is up to you to capture her and throw her into the banlands.”

“I suppose,” said the ogre, putting down the football and getting to his feet. (He had just been tackled by CID.)

[meggers49]

Good morning people. I have been up since 5am, which, in Megdom is absolutely illegal, but seeing as it's Megdom, I guess I can change the law for today. I had to mess with my router to get on or I would have been here sooner.

Meri, what time did you get up??? your first post would have put it at 3:52ish!! gads woman!

I think when the ogre takes you away, he should send you to a sleep clinic.

BTW, it think it's a fortunate thing for you that he's working nights because ......eh, no maybe not, I was going to say calling him the ogre might not be such a good thing, ON THE OTHER HAND............... he might just enjoy it.

OHHHH the POWAHHHHHHHH.

Have a great day everyone!

[RayMan]

Good morning people. I have been up since 5am, which, in Megdom is absolutely illegal, but seeing as it's Megdom, I guess I can change the law for today. I had to mess with my router to get on or I would have been here sooner.

Meri, what time did you get up??? your first post would have put it at 3:52ish!! gads woman!

I think when the ogre takes you away, he should send you to a sleep clinic.

BTW, it think it's a fortunate thing for you that he's working nights because ......eh, no maybe not, I was going to say calling him the ogre might not be such a good thing, ON THE OTHER HAND............... he might just enjoy it.

OHHHH the POWAHHHHHHHH.

Have a great day everyone!

I'm thinking FW would consider "the ogre" to be a manly appellation. Meri has done much worse and lived to tell the tale.

[blazer]

Ah, CID, I can’t believe you messed up that story. Here we go again…I’ll start, and then you can take over.

Once upon a time, in a land far away, there lived an ogre and four Meri men…not to to be confused with merry men…. They were called “Meri Men” because to them fell the job of protecting this land, called Hannityland, from the likes of people called Meri. The ogre’s name, of course, is Fire Watch. The four men are commonly known as CID, RayMan, Smyrna, and Koushi.

The ogre and the men were all quite content, hunting, fishing, playing football…until, one day... Meri wanders in. “Would you look at that,” noted CID . “She acts like we allow just anyone here.”

“I’ll bet she’ll want to keep a pink pony in the back garden,” RayMan said.

“Doesn’t look to be much of a shopper,” Smyrna added. “You know the type. Won’t help the economy.”

“Worse,” Koushi said, “She’s married.”

“I’m hungry,” said the ogre. “I want taters.”

“Duty first,” said the four men. “We’ve spotted a Meri for you—and now it is up to you to capture her and throw her into the banlands.”

“I suppose,” said the ogre, putting down the football and getting to his feet. (He had just been tackled by CID.)

:))

[blazer]

Good Morning Beautiful! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27rCC4DNJIg)

Good morning beautiful
How was your night
Mine was wonderful
With you by my side
And when I open my eyes
And see your sweet face
It's a good morning beautiful day

I didn't see the light
I didn't know day from night
I had no reason to care
But since you came along
I can face the dawn
Cause I know you'll be there

Good morning beautiful
How was your night
Mine was wonderful
With you by my side
And when I open my eyes
And see your sweet face
It's a good morning beautiful day

I'll never worry
If it's raining outside
Cause in here with you girl
The sun always shines

Good morning beautiful
How was your night
Mine was wonderful
With you by my side
And when I open my eyes
And see your sweet face
It's a good morning beautiful day, yeah

A good morning beautiful...day

Good morning beautiful
A beautiful day
Good morning beautiful
Good morning beautiful
A beautiful day
Good morning beautiful day
A beautiful day
Good morning beautiful
__________________

[Meriweather]

I'm thinking FW would consider "the ogre" to be a manly appellation. Meri has done much worse and lived to tell the tale.

Absolutely! I mean, I have not! (Done much worse that is. I am still alive.)

In any case, I agree the problem is not with me making the ogre Fire Watch. The conflict in the story clearly is that CID has succeeded in tackling Fire Watch, and now is trying to distract him by pointing out an innocent passerby. Will the ruse work? I think not. CID might want to think about running--but as the story is now in his court, I'll let him tell it. It involves an avatar change.

[Meriweather]

Poetry! What a great way to greet the day. Thanks free! Thanks blazer! What a wonderful world it is.

[Meriweather]

Good morning people. I have been up since 5am, which, in Megdom is absolutely illegal, but seeing as it's Megdom, I guess I can change the law for today. I had to mess with my router to get on or I would have been here sooner.

Meri, what time did you get up??? your first post would have put it at 3:52ish!! gads woman!

I think when the ogre takes you away, he should send you to a sleep clinic.

BTW, it think it's a fortunate thing for you that he's working nights because ......eh, no maybe not, I was going to say calling him the ogre might not be such a good thing, ON THE OTHER HAND............... he might just enjoy it.

OHHHH the POWAHHHHHHHH.

Have a great day everyone!

I only got up for a drink and to check on the sick bird. He wasn't hanging by his beak like he had been earlier, so that's a good thing.

I was inspired to make Fire Watch the ogre. Or, perhaps it was inspiring to make Fire Watch the ogre. In any case, it is a done deal, partial payment for him insulting my home state of Idaho. Obviously he has never been there, or if he has, he must have had the bad luck to have found himself in Lewiston in close proximity to the paper mill.

[smyrna]

Poetry! What a great way to greet the day. Thanks free! Thanks blazer! What a wonderful world it is.

What...you didn't like mine?

This earth I do roam
In search of a poem
The combination of ink
That's just what I think

Until that time
When I find that rhyme
It will be good enough for me
To read free2B
:dance::)):eek:

[terri910]

Until the kitten adjusts his sleeping schedule to ours, he's been banned from our room during human sleeping hours.

One too many instances of head pouncing in the middle of the night.

[CID_0687]

Until the kitten adjusts his sleeping schedule to ours, he's been banned from our room during human sleeping hours.

One too many instances of head pouncing in the middle of the night.
lol...We had a similar problem with the pup the first few weeks, she was waking us up at 3 every morning whining...we moved her bed into the living room, if she still does it we don't hear it now.

[Meriweather]

What...you didn't like mine?

This earth I do roam
In search of a poem
The combination of ink
That's just what I think

Until that time
When I find that rhyme
It will be good enough for me
To read free2B
:dance::)):eek:


Sorry, Smyrna! Your poem did have me smiling, so a slap of the wrist to me for forgetting to include it.

[terri910]

lol...We had a similar problem with the pup the first few weeks, she was waking us up at 3 every morning whining...we moved her bed into the living room, if she still does it we don't hear it now.
The problem, I think, is when I get home from work he immediately crawls up into my lap and promptly falls asleep. But, by the time we want to go to sleep, he's refreshed and ready to play. Maybe I will try to play with him this afternoon and keep him awake.

When he DOES fall asleep with us, he'd melt your heart (yes, even cats-suck people). So, I'd much prefer his sleep pattern get adjusted than to ban him permanently at night.

[meggers49]

I only got up for a drink and to check on the sick bird. He wasn't hanging by his beak like he had been earlier, so that's a good thing.

I was inspired to make Fire Watch the ogre. Or, perhaps it was inspiring to make Fire Watch the ogre. In any case, it is a done deal, partial payment for him insulting my home state of Idaho. Obviously he has never been there, or if he has, he must have had the bad luck to have found himself in Lewiston in close proximity to the paper mill.

my very good friend is from Lewiston and currently lives in Troy.

[meggers49]

Until the kitten adjusts his sleeping schedule to ours, he's been banned from our room during human sleeping hours.

One too many instances of head pouncing in the middle of the night.

my cat is 18 and she's banned from our room during sleeping hours for years. She has no issue walking across heads to get to the other side of the bed and then looks at you like there's something wrong with YOU when you brush her away......

OR she sits on the night stand and taps on your arm or head to get you to open the blind so she can sit in the window.

Neither is acceptable.

[terri910]

my cat is 18 and she's banned from our room during sleeping hours for years. She has no issue walking across heads to get to the other side of the bed and then looks at you like there's something wrong with YOU when you brush her away......

OR she sits on the night stand and taps on your arm or head to get you to open the blind so she can sit in the window.

Neither is acceptable.Our older cat, up until the time we got the new "interloper," is perfectly happy to be curled up next to my husband for 6 hours or so. Then he will get up and come to ME to be let out (this usually at about 3 in the morning). I don't mind that too much, because I wake up, let him out, and go back to sleep. Which isn't as bad as continuous bouncing, play-fighting with hands or feet. We have to get SOME uninterrupted sleep!

[terri910]

Just had to clean out my PM box.

I have trouble enough keeping up with my house, they expect me to clean THAT out, too.

The nerve.

[CID_0687]

Just had to clean out my PM box.

I have trouble enough keeping up with my house, they expect me to clean THAT out, too.

The nerve.
Yep you PM box was definitely full...I tried to respond to you late last night and could not do so. :snooty:

[RayMan]

Hey Meri,
Here's a story for you.

Dimwit detective 'bungles bank raid' A detective was arrested for robbing a bank without a mask using his police issue pistol - and making his getaway in an unmarked patrol car.



For "the rest of the story,"

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3299642.html?menu=news.quirkies.strangecrime

[terri910]

Yep you PM box was definitely full...I tried to respond to you late last night and could not do so. :snooty:
"They" should've let me know last night. It is all "their" fault.



Someone really should do something about "them." "They" are acting like....ogres. :shifty:

[RayMan]

Another story. This one proving that Burger King really does take CID's suggestions seriously.


Meat-flavoured body spray
Burger King has come up with a novel Christmas gift idea for meat-loving men - barbecue-scented cologne.


http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3124771.html?menu=news.quirkies.badtaste

[CID_0687]

"They" should've let me know last night. It is all "their" fault.



Someone really should do something about "them." "They" are acting like....ogres. :shifty:
:lol:

[CID_0687]

Another story. This one proving that Burger King really does take CID's suggestions seriously.


Meat-flavoured body spray
Burger King has come up with a novel Christmas gift idea for meat-loving men - barbecue-scented cologne.


http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3124771.html?menu=news.quirkies.badtaste
Have they came out with Essence of Night Club yet?

That would be another manly cologne.

Combination of booze, stale cigarette smoke, and cheap perfume...

[Meriweather]

Hey Meri,
Here's a story for you.

Dimwit detective 'bungles bank raid' A detective was arrested for robbing a bank without a mask using his police issue pistol - and making his getaway in an unmarked patrol car.



For "the rest of the story,"

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3299642.html?menu=news.quirkies.strangecrime (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3299642.html?menu=news.quirkies.strangecrime)

Thank you, RayMan, and I will get to the stories. From my cursory morning review, it appears I have a lot to do in the Forum today. First of which is to answer one of your posts in the Faith thread. Sigh. A Meri's work is never done.

[Fire Watch]

(And the road becomes my bride)

And the road becomes my bride
I have stripped of all but pride
So in her I do confide
And she keeps me satisfied
Gives me all I need

And with dust in throat I crave
Only knowledge will I save
To the game you stay a slave

Roamer, wanderer
Nomad, vagabond
Call me what you will

But I'll take my time anywhere
Free to speak my mind anywhere
And I'll redefine anywhere

Anywhere I roam
Where I lay my head is home

(And the earth becomes my throne)

And the earth becomes my throne
I adapt to the unknown
Under wandering stars I've grown
By myself but not alone
I ask no one

And my ties are severed clean
Less I have the more I gain
Off the beaten path I reign

Roamer, wanderer
Nomad, vagabond
Call me what you will
Yeah, you wi-i-i-ill

But I'll take my time anywhere
I'm free to speak my mind anywhere
and I'll take my time anywhere

Anywhere I roam
Where I lay my head is home
heh-yeah

But I'll take my time anywhere
I'm free to speak my mind
And I'll take my time anywhere

Anywhere I may roam
Where I lay my head is home
That's right

But I'll take my time anywhere
I'm free to speak my mind anywhere
And I'll redefine anywhere

Anywhere I may roam
Where I lay my head is home

Carved upon my stone
My body lies, but still I roam,
Yeah yeah!

Wherever I may roam
Wherever I may roam
Woah

Wherever I may roam
Wherever I may roam
Yeah!

Wherever I may wander, wander, wander
Wherever I may roam

Yeah, yeah, wherever I may roam

Yeah, yeah, wherever I may roam
Wherever I may roam
Wherever I may roam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU9XrnF7mnc)

[Meriweather]

I get the impression someone is planning to go off with his bike today--or wants to.

[RayMan]

Have they came out with Essence of Night Club yet?

That would be another manly cologne.

Combination of booze, stale cigarette smoke, and cheap perfume...


"Dim lights, thick smoke and loud, loud music..."

[Meriweather]

Morning Devotional


Any enterprise is built by wise planning, becomes strong. (Proverbs 24:3)



If You Want to Succeed - Prepare Well!


What happens when you're not well-prepared? Things you hope won't happen, do, and they occur with greater frequency than the things you hope will happen. The dividing line between winning and losing - is preparation! Tennis champion Arthur Ashe said, "The key to winning is self-confidence, and the key to self-confidence is preparation." Singing, "If you wish upon a star" won't make your dreams come true; you've got to prepare yourself.

Ever wonder what Jesus was doing during those pre-dawn risings and nights of prayer? Preparing! If you plan to keep growing, preparation must become a way of life. You must never stop asking, "Lord, what do You want me to do? What will it cost me in time, effort and resources? What obstacles must I overcome?" If you live with that mindset you'll be well on your way to fulfilling God's purpose for your life.

Asked how long it would take to bring his ship to a stop, the Queen Mary's captain replied, "A little over a mile." Then he added, "A good captain thinks at least a mile ahead." Your success in any venture is determined by how important it is to you, and your ability to prepare for it.

The Living Bible paraphrases it this way: "Any enterprise is built by wise planning, becomes strong through common sense, and profits wonderfully by keeping abreast of the facts." Alexander Hamilton, a founding father of the United States, said, "Men give me credit for genius, but all the genius I have lies in this: when I have a subject to hand, I study it profoundly." So, if you want to succeed - prepare well!




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[Hadassah]

Good news, everyone.



My uncle went and saw the doctor yesterday. The biopsy will be done later this month; however, the doctor does NOT think my uncle has cancer. :(( (happy tears)



Now just waiting for news on my sister.



Thanks for the prayers y'all. :hug:

[RayMan]

Good news, everyone.

My uncle went and saw the doctor yesterday. The biopsy will be done later this month; however, the doctor does NOT think my uncle has cancer. :(( (happy tears)

Now just waiting for news on my sister.

Thanks for the prayers y'all. :hug:

Very cool about Unk. Hope news about sister comes back good.

[terri910]

Good news, everyone.



My uncle went and saw the doctor yesterday. The biopsy will be done later this month; however, the doctor does NOT think my uncle has cancer. :(( (happy tears)



Now just waiting for news on my sister.



Thanks for the prayers y'all. :hug:
Happy to do it....my cousin is not in remission as yet. What a fighting spirit he has, though....it must be so painful to continually have bones breaking. :cry: He knows that God is using this for some wonderful purpose, though -- we just don't know what it is, yet!

[Hadassah]

Happy to do it....my cousin is not in remission as yet. What a fighting spirit he has, though....it must be so painful to continually have bones breaking. :cry: He knows that God is using this for some wonderful purpose, though -- we just don't know what it is, yet!

I was wondering how he was doing. :pray:



I will keep praying.

[terri910]

I was wondering how he was doing. :pray:



I will keep praying.
He doesn't have facebook, but his son and daughter do, so they help keep me updated. One of the great things about Facebook (hint-hint).

[CID_0687]

Does tobacco have legs, more specifically smokeless tobacco in the form of a can of Copenhagen?

[Meriweather]

Does tobacco have legs, more specifically smokeless tobacco in the form of a can of Copenhagen?

?

The only can of tobacco I've seen are the ones one of my brothers used to have in his pants pocket, which of course, was attached to his legs.

[Meriweather]

My daughter's friend's father opened the mailbox yesterday to find an official looking envelope that obviously contained some type of traffic citation. He went back into the house and called his daughter downstairs. He showed the envelope to his daughter. "We're going to open this one together," he told her. So they did.

It was a picture of the father's truck going through a red light.

[RayMan]

Does tobacco have legs, more specifically smokeless tobacco in the form of a can of Copenhagen?

Do you have Prince Albert in a can?



http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:0k8FWiLRzLw4eM::www.advantageservice. net/images/prince_albert_can.jpg

[Fire Watch]

Waterin' the lawn..watching the kids have a blast in the sprinkler. Remember when such mundane things gave us such pure unadulterated joy? Growing up is way overrated.

[RayMan]

Waterin' the lawn..watching the kids have a blast in the sprinkler. Remember when such mundane things gave us such pure unadulterated joy? Growing up is way overrated.

I have avoided doing so for years.


"Second star to the right and straight on til morning."

[RayMan]

Waterin' the lawn..watching the kids have a blast in the sprinkler. Remember when such mundane things gave us such pure unadulterated joy? Growing up is way overrated.

Does the Ice Cream Man drive down your street?

"Mr. Ice Cream Man, Mr. Ice Cream Man, wait, I've got a dollar!!!"

(actually teared up while writing that and seeing my kids when they were about the age of your younguns in my mind's eye)

[Fire Watch]

He does..but when I hear that bell I turn up the radio :)

We have popsicles in the freezer. The kind that you get in a box of 100 or so at Wal*Mart for about $2.

[CID_0687]

?

The only can of tobacco I've seen are the ones one of my brothers used to have in his pants pocket, which of course, was attached to his legs.
Well, mine was left sitting on the table it normally doesn't sit on because I was watching Schindler's List last night and laying on the couch...I fell asleep, woke up it was still there....Went to bed, woke up around 7 came in here and it was gone...kids say they didn't move it...wife says she didn't move it, but I know that's where it was...I've searched all around, under the couch, under the chair, under the table and it's disappeared...it's a mystery.

[Meriweather]

Well, mine was left sitting on the table it normally doesn't sit on because I was watching Schindler's List last night and laying on the couch...I fell asleep, woke up it was still there....Went to bed, woke up around 7 came in here and it was gone...kids say they didn't move it...wife says she didn't move it, but I know that's where it was...I've searched all around, under the couch, under the chair, under the table and it's disappeared...it's a mystery.

Did you question the pup?

[Fire Watch]

Is the dog spitting and walking funny?

[CID_0687]

lol...The dog seems to be fine so I don't think she got it, or if she did she wasn't able to get the can open...I did question her, but I got the typical head cocked to the right side and the look of, "You think I really understand what you're saying, and you call me a moron?"

[Meriweather]

lol...The dog seems to be fine so I don't think she got it, or if she did she wasn't able to get the can open...I did question her, but I got the typical head cocked to the right side and the look of, "You think I really understand what you're saying, and you call me a moron?"

If it wasn't the dog, then I'm afraid it must be a sign. You are to give it up. Cold turkey bacon. Jog a mile or two every time you get the urge.

[CID_0687]

If it wasn't the dog, then I'm afraid it must be a sign. You are to give it up. Cold turkey bacon. Jog a mile or two every time you get the urge.
I had another can....The point is that one's missing.

[Meriweather]

I had another can....The point is that one's missing.

It will be interesting to see where it turns up. In our house the missing always turns up in younger daughter's bedroom. I once found fifteen pairs (no exaggeration) of scissors up there--all of which at fifteen different times she swore she did not have and that she had looked "all over" for them. It doesn't have to be scissors. If I left the car parked out front and it turned up missing, I'd simply go back into the house, walk upstairs, and there it would be in youngest daughter's room. Under the bed. Of course, one would have to shovel out all the other junk before one could find the bed, but that's another story.

[Fire Watch]

The real question is why would any sane person own 15 pair of scissors? Does it put the lotion on it's skin?

[CID_0687]

It does as it's told. :))

[RayMan]

I had another can....The point is that one's missing.

Enough with the math already.


The Mormons and Catholics are spamming me in the faith thread. They all seem to think I agree with your "let's all focus on common ground" theory.

I keep telling them they need to give up their pernicious ways and join me in the ranks of Scientific Pentecostalism © but do they listen? No.

[Meriweather]

The real question is why would any sane person own 15 pair of scissors? Does it put the lotion on it's skin?


Boggles the mind, doesn't it? I'm sure we're up to thirty or forty by this time. I only know where two pair are. Hidden. She'll never find them. I hope. (You would have to know youngest daughter.)

[Trinka]

I like math................sometimes

Hiya EveryBody! Other than the missing can and scissors...is every one having a good day?

[terri910]

The Mormons and Catholics are spamming me in the faith thread. They all seem to think I agree with your "let's all focus on common ground" theory.

I keep telling them they need to give up their pernicious ways and join me in the ranks of Scientific Pentecostalism © but do they listen? No.
It's all Meri's fault for lumping you together, and if she's not careful Fire Watch will have to take her to task.


But it is all out of love.

[Meriweather]

It's all Meri's fault, and if she's not careful Fire Watch will have to take her to task.


But it is all out of love.

Fire Watch is going to take me somewhere? I hope there's a lake and mountains at Task.

[terri910]

Gotta run, for a while anyway.

Fire Watch, Meri didn't mean to cause any harm. She was just confused (and I was right there behind her). Go easy on her. I'd miss her. And her avatar.

[RayMan]

I like math................sometimes

Hiya EveryBody! Other than the missing can and scissors...is every one having a good day?

My condolences.

[meggers49]

The real question is why would any sane person own 15 pair of scissors? Does it put the lotion on it's skin?

the incredible missing scissors are second only to the amazing vanishing tape. You buy these items and put them where they belong. Family members who insist they are innocent know where to find said items and take them. They disappear into a worm hole (or a daughter's room........or a son's room........) never to be seen again.

So, you buy another of said item and amazingly, the same thing happens again.

Hence, 15 pairs of scissors and probably 3 dozen rolls of tape.

[Hadassah]

Waterin' the lawn..watching the kids have a blast in the sprinkler. Remember when such mundane things gave us such pure unadulterated joy? Growing up is way overrated.

I don't remember ever having fun as a kid. :eh:

[RayMan]

I don't remember ever having fun as a kid. :eh:

Probably because of that time you fell out of your high chair and landed head first on the linoleum floor in the kitchen. We never get over those sort of things. They haunt us later in life.

[Hadassah]

Probably because of that time you fell out of your high chair and landed head first on the linoleum floor in the kitchen. We never get over those sort of things. They haunt us later in life.

Dain bramage will do that to ya.

[Meriweather]

I don't remember ever having fun as a kid. :eh:

That is so sad, Hadassah. I remember running through sprinklers, wading pools, chasing each other with hoses, squirt guns, water balloons and the like. I remember spending entire afternoons up in a tree; the tree sometimes being a pirate ship, a rocketship, or even a fort. Sometimes branches would become horses and it was time for cowboys and Indians; there was always a war going on somewhere. We had croquet, badminton, and of course baseball and basketball.

[RayMan]

Dain bramage will do that to ya.

It's an excuse which has served me well on numerous occasions over the years.

[Hadassah]

Dain bramage will do that to ya.

That, and coming from a seriously ****ed-up family that I wish I could disown even now.

[RayMan]

That is so sad, Hadassah. I remember running through sprinklers, wading pools, chasing each other with hoses, squirt guns, water balloons and the like. I remember spending entire afternoons up in a tree; the tree sometimes being a pirate ship, a rocketship, or even a fort. Sometimes branches would become horses and it was time for cowboys and Indians; there was always a war going on somewhere. We had croquet, badminton, and of course baseball and basketball.


Way to perk her up Little Meri Sunshine. :rolleyes:

[Meriweather]

Way to perk her up Little Meri Sunshine. :rolleyes:

Yes. Suggesting she's brain damaged is the much better way to go. She has a son and she can look forward to grandchildren. She can create a different set of circumstances for them--if pointed in the right direction.

[Hadassah]

Yes. Suggesting she's brain damaged is the much better way to go. She has a son and she can look forward to grandchildren. She can create a different set of circumstances for them--if pointed in the right direction.

:clap: :clap: :clap:



She's got you there, Ray. :razz:

[terri910]

I don't remember ever having fun as a kid. :eh:
:((:((:((:((

[terri910]

That is so sad, Hadassah. I remember running through sprinklers, wading pools, chasing each other with hoses, squirt guns, water balloons and the like. I remember spending entire afternoons up in a tree; the tree sometimes being a pirate ship, a rocketship, or even a fort. Sometimes branches would become horses and it was time for cowboys and Indians; there was always a war going on somewhere. We had croquet, badminton, and of course baseball and basketball.
...roller skating, kick-the-can, going to the creek and creating "forts" out of the tall reeds and cattails....heck, I even had fun if I was feeling just a little bit under the weather, and my father's boss (who was like a grandmother to me) would sit me in front of her TV, bring the leaopard-print blanket, a plate of Triscuits, and generally baby me a little bit...

[Hadassah]

I must have had some fun, I just don't remember it because I try to avoid thinking about my childhood as much as possible.

[Meriweather]

I must have had some fun, I just don't remember it because I try to avoid thinking about my childhood as much as possible.

So tell us some of your happy thoughts.

[Hadassah]

So tell us some of your happy thoughts.

Meri, right now, I don't have any. I am trying very hard not to think about those I am related to because I am sick of the abuse and those putting up with the abuse.

[Meriweather]

Meri, right now, I don't have any. I am trying very hard not to think about those I am related to because I am sick of the abuse and those putting up with the abuse.

I was thinking more along the lines of a favorite teacher or favorite classmate--perhaps even nursing school and the like. Favorite subjects, favorite books, favorite movies... You know, the little stuff that can mean so much.

[CID_0687]

The Copenhagen Mystery has been solved...it was found behind the bookshelf with teeth marks on it...the dog must have gotten it, dropped it and it rolled behind the bookshelf...stupid dog.

[Meriweather]

The Copenhagen Mystery has been solved...it was found behind the bookshelf with teeth marks on it...the dog must have gotten it, dropped it and it rolled behind the bookshelf...stupid dog.


Good dog. He probably intended to bring it to you and receive a pat--but accidentally dropped it instead.

[RayMan]

The Copenhagen Mystery has been solved...it was found behind the bookshelf with teeth marks on it...the dog must have gotten it, dropped it and it rolled behind the bookshelf...stupid dog.


You gotta work at getting rid of the redundancies in your posting style.

BTW- Try and find the 1966 Stone's hit "Stupid Girl" on an internet juke box near you. It's like trying to find a Speedy Gonzalez cartoon. Just ain't gonna happen.

And yet Brown Sugar and Under My Thumb still get plenty of airplay. Go figure. Well, back to the garden. Which is not a Joni Mitchell reference.

[RayMan]

Stream of consciousness is my favorite version.

[terri910]

Meri, right now, I don't have any. I am trying very hard not to think about those I am related to because I am sick of the abuse and those putting up with the abuse.
Maybe fun at school with playmates?

[Meriweather]

Maybe fun at school with playmates?

I'm trying to decide what was the most fun I had at school with classmates. I wouldn't say it was fun, exactly, more like memorable. Everyone knew I didn't lie--but there came a day three boys desperately needed me to tell a lie. They had about thirty minutes to teach me. The kicker was that they needed me to lie to a priest.