Why is Marijuana illigal????

[HigherGround]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

[ThrowCop]

Why is Marijuana illigal????Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

[Stantz]

well because it can lead to horrible things like alcohol abuse.
That and because no Politician wants to have the " John Smith supported giving drugs to our children" attack ad made against him.
So they oppose any de-criminalization attempts.
Its dumb, and it costs the tax payers an insane amount of money

[Mihael]

marijuana can also KILL people like me w/ hypoglycemia... it lowers your blood sugar exponentially. so dont say it isnt dangerous.

[Ninjacorpse]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

:))

[ddye]

marijuana can also KILL people like me w/ hypoglycemia... it lowers your blood sugar exponentially. so dont say it isnt dangerous.
Some people can't handle weed.

Some people can't handle alcohol.

Some people can't handle sugar.

Some people can't handle peanuts.

Some people can't handle the lottery.

So which of those on that list is still illegal?

Doug

[WJStafford]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

let me guess, you popped positive on a random...

[HigherGround]

Wow walked right into that one Ill fix it, but seriously anyone have a good argument against legalizing it?

[Buffalo]

let me guess, you popped positive on a random...
They're harshing my buzz man.

[birdonawire]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....


:lol:

[johnrocks]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

lol, dos it:eh:

[fallenturtle]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

I hadn't realized so many forum members were stoners.

[ThrowCop]

let me guess, you popped positive on a random...Very likely that or looking for another job & realizing that a drug test will be administered.


I support legalizing it but potheads are not going to get it done...

they are poor spokesmen.

[birdonawire]

marijuana can also KILL people like me w/ hypoglycemia... it lowers your blood sugar exponentially. so dont say it isnt dangerous.


Hmmm.... :think: that could be a good thing for diabetics.

[Vaard]

well, it was made illegal because it was a threat to the cotton industry........ its drug use was just a scapegoat........

now iut remains illegal because no matter which party proposes legalizing it, the person running against them will have ads saying the other candidate wants your 6 year old child to smoke weed and do heroin........

[Single Dad]

Wow walked right into that one Ill fix it, but seriously anyone have a good argument against legalizing it?

Because it destoys the part of your brain that makes you remember to use apostrophes.

i.e. I'll - I will

[flashycopy]

marijuana can also KILL people like me w/ hypoglycemia... it lowers your blood sugar exponentially. so dont say it isnt dangerous.

but you get the munchies and it goes right back up

[ktr]

marijuana can also KILL people like me w/ hypoglycemia... it lowers your blood sugar exponentially. so dont say it isnt dangerous.

Muchies takes care of that.... nothing like a whole bag of Doritos, two snickers bars and a large pan pizza to take care of the low blood sugar!

[uyyurte]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana


I belive in most places its a fine, confiscation, and maybe a misdemenor. I think thats a good thing, but unfortunately I fear we are heading for legalization eventually in most parts of the country. It just happened in Massachusetts. I think that is a bad trend, but its not really worth time to fight when there are other social issues that are more important.

[fallenturtle]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

Well it started with Harry Anslinger and William Hearst and kinda snowballed from there.

[HigherGround]

**** I cant keep up with the responses but don't worry about the spelling just try to come up with a real argument.

Edit to change my cursing.

[Mihael]

Muchies takes care of that.... nothing like a whole bag of Doritos, two snickers bars and a large pan pizza to take care of the low blood sugar!
:lol::lol::lol:

lol they you can have a heart attack along with your hypoglycemic seizure... hahaha:hug:

[johnrocks]

Socially unacceptable unlike alcohol is the only reason I can think of but Varrd is right about cotton as well as the Timber Industry. Randolph Hearst was the nation's biggest newspaper magnate and owned paper interests such as papermills and millions of acres of trees, he was one of the biggest backers of getting it outlawed.

[CarniesAndRubes]

harry j anslinger and the christian right, thats why.. same reason an adult cant gamble when he chooses... the big government christian right want to give you what freedoms they want to give you

[johnrocks]

Higher Ground, you need to spell out ****, your committing filter bypasses right and left which will get you banned, just friendly advice here.

[Buffalo]

Read the TOS and fix your swear word filter bypass. Just spell it out and the filter fixes it. As far as single issues go, MJ legalization is pretty lame. Why not pick sentencing for drug offenses altogether or maybe advocating for libertarian philosophies. Sounds like you just want to get high, and that ain't a persuasive argument.

[johnrocks]

I think it should be legal myself but hell, I think I should be able to buy morphine legally too.

[fallenturtle]

[Shucks] I cant keep up with the responses but don't worry about the spelling just try to come up with a real argument.

I'm very pro-legalize pot, but I'd suggest you do a forum search for "marijuana" and you'll find plenty of threads outlining the opposition's argument. You'll also find that what you say to them won't change their stance one bit, no matter how ignorant it may be.

[TeaWar]

Pot is easier to produce in large quantities than either alcohol or tobacco. As such, legalization would make taxation difficult. More than this, as it is less addictive than the others, the government wouldn't make as much in taxes. Therefore, keeping it illegal renders more revenue to the government than legalization and attempted regulation would. That's my theory.

[JohnRandolph]

Cpl. "Coach" Bowden: It robs you of your will to win.
Pfc. Tyrone Cribbs: Coach, you went to state last year. Your quarterback was my best customer.


Southern Comfort, 1981

[ThrowCop]

**** I cant keep up with the responses but don't worry about the spelling just try to come up with a real argument.Higherground. By all means keep posting but type out your words & let the software filter place the asterisks. Doing it how you have done it is called a filter bypass here & will get you in some trouble.

Spell it out & let the software take care of it.

Just some friendly advice - welcome to the boards. :)

[dwatts26726]

It's a gateway drug...

[HigherGround]

Alright no more filter bypassing

The thing is I was browsing through statistics regarding drug use in America as well as prison populations and I can't find a single good reason for keeping it illegal. I also can't a politician talking about it or a or news show hosts (except for Bill O'reilley) or any one for that matter. So I want to know why is it illegal????

[5thIDSoldier]

It's a gateway drug...

Precisely. But so is Alcohol.....

[CarniesAndRubes]

I think it should be legal myself but hell, I think I should be able to buy morphine legally too.

now that would make a great friday night, when can i come over?

[TeaWar]

It's a gateway drug...

Yeah, but television is a gateway drug to perpetual stupidity and no one has outlawed that.

Just for the record, I don't smoke dope--don't want to, either. I just don' t believe the federal gov't has a right to restrict drugs.

[ValricoKate]

Sh*t I cant keep up with the responses but don't worry about the spelling just try to come up with a real argument.

Advice:
filtering your own expletives is a no no (Against the terms of service). Just type **** and let the filter work.

There is an edit button at the bottom of your post.

[fallenturtle]

It's a gateway drug...

Only in the same sense that beer is a gateway alcoholic beverage.

[HigherGround]

The gateway drug myth has been debunked, I can link you to web sites if you want.

[uyyurte]

harry j anslinger and the christian right, thats why.. same reason an adult cant gamble when he chooses... the big government christian right want to give you what freedoms they want to give you

In fact, many of the restrictions on morally questionable behaviors in fact began as progressive ideas in the late 19th and early 20th century. Yes, there were religious groups involved but they were often considered "liberal" in their day. Stop with your incessant ideological hatred for a few minutes and learn history.

[uyyurte]

Just for the record, I don't smoke dope--don't want to, either. I just don' t believe the federal gov't has a right to restrict drugs.

If sold across state lines its covered by the Commerce Clause (just saying).

[Buffalo]

Alright no more filter bypassing

The thing is I was browsing through statistics regarding drug use in America as well as prison populations and I can't find a single good reason for keeping it illegal. I also can't a politician talking about it or a or news show hosts (except for Bill O'reilley) or any one for that matter. So I want to know why is it illegal????
There is a huge thread somewhere on the site called OMG help with the pot argument, or something along those lines. When you are able to search the forums, i think there is a 24 hour period before new users can do this, you should check it out. As far as politicians go, some do advocate for decriminalization or legalization, but they are usually third party guys. Drug legalization is not the top priority for most Americans and is a tough issue to tackle in our culture.

[Mihael]

marijuana is dangerous... thats why it is illegal... also because some big ... i think he was a lumberman (like an oil tycoon, except with trees lol.. i have a patent on that word now;)) had a huge influence on having it made illegal...

[TeaWar]

harry j anslinger and the christian right, thats why.. same reason an adult cant gamble when he chooses... the big government christian right want to give you what freedoms they want to give you

I don't know where you live, but in my state--Alabam--we voted on a lottery. The biggest opponents and donors to the opposition were the neighboring states. They have their lotteries & casinos and knew such here would impact their business. So it ain't all the Christian Right.

[johnrocks]

Advice:
filtering your own expletives is a no no (Against the terms of service). Just type **** and let the filter work.

There is an edit button at the bottom of your post.

Quoting is also against TOS. Delete:hug:(Got more rules than the FCC to keep up with,lol)

[ThrowCop]

[QUOTE=TeaWar;42201951]Yeah, but television is a gateway drug to perpetual stupidity and no one has outlawed that.

Just for the record, I don't smoke dope--don't want to, either. I just don' t believe the federal gov't has a right to restrict drugs.[/QUOTEI don;t smoke the stuff but I do not think it is up to the government to regulate the ways I can ingest poisons into your body either.

And the reason it is not legal is twofold:

1. You could grow it yourself very cheaply so the tax base/corporate profit would be tiny.

2. Potheads just can't seem to get organized.

they try but somehow the grandiose plans from the night before really don't seem to materialize...

[ElwoodWV]

It's illegal because it is. No one knows or remembers why anymore. Kind of like not being able to buy a vibrator in Texas or liquor on Sunday. It has just always been that way.

[CarniesAndRubes]

The gateway drug myth has been debunked, I can link you to web sites if you want.

tobacco is the biggest gateway drug of them all, yet i dont see phillip morris losing that battle anytime soon.

[Blindeye101]

I would rather see Marijuana be legalized and Nicotine be illegal.

[TeaWar]

There is a huge thread somewhere on the site called OMG help with the pot argument, or something along those lines. When you are able to search the forums, i think there is a 24 hour period before new users can do this, you should check it out. As far as politicians go, some do advocate for decriminalization or legalization, but they are usually third party guys. Drug legalization is not the top priority for most Americans and is a tough issue to tackle in our culture.

California voted to legalize it for medicinal purposes. The SCOTUS shot it down in Gonzales V Raich. I was very surprised to see some of the "conservative" justices reaching for justification.

[fallenturtle]

marijuana is dangerous... thats why it is illegal... also because some big ... i think he was a lumberman (like an oil tycoon, except with trees lol.. i have a patent on that word now;)) had a huge influence on having it made illegal...

Anything can be dangerous if abused. Biologically speaking though alcohol is much more dangerous.

[tguns]

tobacco is the biggest gateway drug of them all, yet i dont see phillip morris losing that battle anytime soon.

“Big tobacco” has more clout then “Big weed”.

[johnrocks]

now that would make a great friday night, when can i come over?

lol, I mean hell, my body, why should some one tell me what I can and can't put in it?:evil:

[Strongbone]

Wow walked right into that one Ill fix it, but seriously anyone have a good argument against legalizing it?

Your first question was why is "it" illegal?

So in responce: MJ contains a drug called THC…or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol. MJ is the delivery system of THC. Therefore MJ is classified as a drug. Benicar is a drug. Glyburide is a drug. Synthroid is a drug. Zetia is a drug. Metformin is a drug. Selling any of these drugs without a license to distribute is illegal. Therefore purchasing of any of these drugs from an illegal source is also illegal.

If you want MJ legal remove the THC (which nobody would want it then) or try to get a license to distribute (which is highly unlikely) or try to get it declassified as a drug delivery system (which would happen in about a quad-trillion years).

MJ is illegal because of classification even if everybody on the planet said it was harmless. Spray paint is also harmless until sniffed. But spray paint is not classifed as a drug.

[Operation Northwoods]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

Weed heals, tobacco and alcohol kills. Pot can be used for cancer patients, AID's patients................hey didn't we order a pizza?

[TeaWar]

It's illegal because it is. No one knows or remembers why anymore. Kind of like not being able to buy a vibrator in Texas or liquor on Sunday. It has just always been that way.

Well, at least you can buy a vibrator on Saturdays still...just in time for the nooner on Sunday.

[fallenturtle]

tobacco is the biggest gateway drug of them all, yet i dont see phillip morris losing that battle anytime soon.

What is it a gateway to?

[Vaard]

Your first question was why is "it" illegal?

So in responce: MJ contains a drug called THC…or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol. MJ is the delivery system of THC. Therefore MJ is classified as a drug. Benicar is a drug. Glyburide is a drug. Synthroid is a drug. Zetia is a drug. Metformin is a drug. Selling any of these drugs without a license to distribute is illegal. Therefore purchasing of any of these drugs from an illegal source is also illegal.

If you want MJ legal remove the THC (which nobody would want it then) or try to get a license to distribute (which is highly unlikely) or try to get it declassified as a drug delivery system (which would happen in about a quad-trillion years).

MJ is illegal because of classification even if everybody on the planet said it was harmless. Spray paint is also harmless until sniffed. But spray paint is not classifed as a drug.


that is not why it was made illegal.........

[Strongbone]

tobacco is the biggest gateway drug of them all, yet i dont see phillip morris losing that battle anytime soon.

And if Phillip Morris put THC in their tobacco they would be classified as producing a drug.

It is not the MJ. It is the THC.

[CarniesAndRubes]

In fact, many of the restrictions on morally questionable behaviors in fact began as progressive ideas in the late 19th and early 20th century. Yes, there were religious groups involved but they were often considered "liberal" in their day. Stop with your incessant ideological hatred for a few minutes and learn history.

the majority of the people at the time were religious groups trying to clean up the immoral behavior...

ahh the good old days.. when tooth aches were treated with cocaine..

http://a74.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/17/m_d368a284a38741a04b0b9779b7dc73c9.jpg

[fallenturtle]

Weed heals, tobacco and alcohol kills. Pot can be used for cancer patients, AID's patients................hey didn't we order a pizza?

What does weed heal? It's great for subduing side-effects from other drugs, it's good for encouraging people to eat who have trouble being hungry, and its good for dampening pain... but I don't think it actually heals anything.

[JohnRandolph]

Two scenarios

1. Its two in the morning. The man and woman of the house have done been boozing it up all day. For reasons we can only guess about, they are now tearing what is left of their single wide palace apart.

2. Stoner McDoobie and his old lady have done smoked their way through a half pound of herbal refreshment and cant remember their names or where the bedroom is at.

Which of the two would you rather have to go deal with knowing that your backup is 20 minutes off?

[CarniesAndRubes]

What is it a gateway to?

tobacco is a gateway to every other drug... including weed.

[fallenturtle]

And if Phillip Morris put THC in their tobacco they would be classified as producing a drug.

It is not the MJ. It is the THC.

I don't believe its legal to grow hemp in the USA, which would be THC-less marijuana.

[fallenturtle]

tobacco is a gateway to every other drug... including weed.

That's ridiculously open ended. You might as well say vices are a gateway to other vices.

[ThrowCop]

Two scenarios

1. Its two in the morning. The man and woman of the house have done been boozing it up all day. For reasons we can only guess about, they are now tearing what is left of their single wide palace apart.

2. Stoner McDoobie and his old lady have done smoked their way through a half pound of herbal refreshment and cant remember their names or where the bedroom is at.

Which of the two would you rather have to go deal with knowing that your backup is 20 minutes off?I know! I know!!!

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p20/ThrowCop/Other%20Pic%20Replies/horshack.jpg

[Operation Northwoods]

What does weed heal? It's great for subduing side-effects from other drugs, it's good for encouraging people to eat who have trouble being hungry, and its good for dampening pain... but I don't think it actually heals anything.

It heals de' soul mon'!

[JohnRandolph]

In fact, many of the restrictions on morally questionable behaviors in fact began as progressive ideas in the late 19th and early 20th century. Yes, there were religious groups involved but they were often considered "liberal" in their day. Stop with your incessant ideological hatred for a few minutes and learn history.

The temperance movement wasnt just about closing saloons.

[Buffalo]

Two scenarios

1. Its two in the morning. The man and woman of the house have done been boozing it up all day. For reasons we can only guess about, they are now tearing what is left of their single wide palace apart.

2. Stoner McDoobie and his old lady have done smoked their way through a half pound of herbal refreshment and cant remember their names or where the bedroom is at.

Which of the two would you rather have to go deal with knowing that your backup is 20 minutes off?
A half pound? Holy crap that is one stoned couple. Seriously though, not too hard to pick #2.

[CarniesAndRubes]

Two scenarios

1. Its two in the morning. The man and woman of the house have done been boozing it up all day. For reasons we can only guess about, they are now tearing what is left of their single wide palace apart.

2. Stoner McDoobie and his old lady have done smoked their way through a half pound of herbal refreshment and cant remember their names or where the bedroom is at.

Which of the two would you rather have to go deal with knowing that your backup is 20 minutes off?

im guessing you've never smoked weed before because your scenarios are straight out of things like Reefer Madness..

[johnrocks]

I used to get so irritated watching some hypocrite smoking a cigar or cigarette while drinking a beer knock pot smokers.

[CarniesAndRubes]

That's ridiculously open ended. You might as well say vices are a gateway to other vices.

as i could say to the argument that marijuana is a gateway drug. its less addictive than cigarettes actually.

[Buffalo]

im guessing you've never smoked weed before because your scenarios are straight out of things like Reefer Madness..
He may exaggerate a little in the setup, but violence and alcohol have been best buddies since the first fermented fruit.

[johnrocks]

im guessing you've never smoked weed before because your scenarios are straight out of things like Reefer Madness..

I think he may know more than you think:cool:

[JohnRandolph]

im guessing you've never smoked weed before because your scenarios are straight out of things like Reefer Madness..

Nope, but I have pulled more than a few midnight shifts and had to deal with both situations. Stoners are way easier to deal with and a whole lot funnier.

[ramblin_on]

If you want to know the history of the criminalization of marijuana check this link out. Like I always say they government only cares about we the people two days a year, April 15th and the first tuesday in november. The rest of the time they are for sale to whoever has enough cash.

http://greyfalcon.us/Why%20is%20Marijuana%20Illegal.htm

[fallenturtle]

as i could say to the argument that marijuana is a gateway drug. its less addictive than cigarettes actually.

That's because nicotine causes a chemical addiction. THC doesn't cause a chemical addiction, though some people do get an emotional addiction to it.

[Poisonshady313]

Nah I just don't like the constant [filter bypass]shoved down our throats. Most people don't even know that alcohol, tobacco and even coffee and McDonalds is more harmful to your body.

Fix this post as well. Filter bypasses are a well known no-no... and it won't be long before people stop warning you and send it straight to the mods.

[johnrocks]

Two scenarios

1. Its two in the morning. The man and woman of the house have done been boozing it up all day. For reasons we can only guess about, they are now tearing what is left of their single wide palace apart.

2. Stoner McDoobie and his old lady have done smoked their way through a half pound of herbal refreshment and cant remember their names or where the bedroom is at.

Which of the two would you rather have to go deal with knowing that your backup is 20 minutes off?

lol, one of my friends is the ex Police Chief of Monroe La. and he will tell you QUICK, he had much rather deal with a Stoner than a drinker.

[Mohawk5]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....


Bump!

[CarniesAndRubes]

people fear what they dont understand... its fascinating and inconceivable that a human can smoke marijuana and live a productive life... coming from the same people who will put their kids on adderall and ritalin to help them get better grades in school... yet adderall is highly addictive and is pretty much cocaine light. but its ok because a man in a white suit can prescribe it to you from a corporation that produced it for profit.. dont get me wrong, im a computer programmer and i love me some adderall... i can get 90% of my work for the week done in about 8 hours but dont act like those "prescribed" drugs are safe and marijuana is not...

marijuana is natural... its like telling god he messed up.

[CarniesAndRubes]

Nope, but I have pulled more than a few midnight shifts and had to deal with both situations. Stoners are way easier to deal with and a whole lot funnier.

agreed... you can deal with stoners by just showing them something shiny to play with and they'll zone out... theres almost no way to get a violent drunk under control.

[bloods vs crips]

Pot is easier to produce in large quantities than either alcohol or tobacco. As such, legalization would make taxation difficult. More than this, as it is less addictive than the others, the government wouldn't make as much in taxes. Therefore, keeping it illegal renders more revenue to the government than legalization and attempted regulation would. That's my theory.

by increasing the amount of people we jail? Hell, just the loss of prison costs due to marijuana decriminalization would be a massive benefit.

[johnrocks]

agreed... you can deal with stoners by just showing them something shiny to play with and they'll zone out... theres almost no way to get a violent drunk under control.

Throw em a twinkie, a playboy and a soda and you won't hear a peep out of em for hours:lol:

[Mohawk5]

Almost 420!!!

[Ninjacorpse]

Throw em a twinkie, a playboy and a soda and you won't hear a peep out of em for hours:lol:

What kind of sick crap do you want them to do with those?

[ramblin_on]

What does weed heal? It's great for subduing side-effects from other drugs, it's good for encouraging people to eat who have trouble being hungry, and its good for dampening pain... but I don't think it actually heals anything.

Neither does morphine, aspirin, plavix, zocor, tylanol, or many other drugs but they are legal.

[pennysworth56]

Socially unacceptable unlike alcohol is the only reason I can think of but Varrd is right about cotton as well as the Timber Industry. Randolph Hearst was the nation's biggest newspaper magnate and owned paper interests such as papermills and millions of acres of trees, he was one of the biggest backers of getting it outlawed.

From what understand dupont was in on it too, had something to do the hemp.

[Poisonshady313]

Throw em a twinkie, a playboy and a soda and you won't hear a peep out of em for hours:lol:

Are you kidding? That twinkie won't make it more than a minute. They'll soon set aside the playboy seeking out another twinkie.

[Mohawk5]

It's a gateway drug...


Bull dookie!

When I was a kid I met a ton of people that had never tried pot but they sure had done there share of beer bongs!

[gdoane]

Socially unacceptable unlike alcohol is the only reason I can think of but Varrd is right about cotton as well as the Timber Industry. Randolph Hearst was the nation's biggest newspaper magnate and owned paper interests such as papermills and millions of acres of trees, he was one of the biggest backers of getting it outlawed.

That's one of the two main myths.

The other (and more believable) folk legend is that it was racists out to stop Jazz Musicians from the south.

This story is more believable for several reasons...

"Marijuana" is a Spanish name, in English it means "Mary Jane". The New England area was famous for a lot of cultural influences, notably Irish, English, French and Italian but Spanish and Mexican? Not so much.

The Spanish-based name of the Demon Weed itself would be a primary indicator that the invasion of this invasive non-native plant species came primarily from the South, probably Texas/Louisiana which is also the birthplace of Jazz.

Another indicator that it invaded from the South is that marijuana is a non-perennial plant which doesn't do well in temperatures below 70° F. Winters kill the damned thing. They're not competitive with trees in the Northern American forests because winters don't kill trees. They'll kill that despicable weed dead though.

My theory is the real reason it's illegal is because the people who like it made total asses of themselves and ticked a lot of people off, much the same as they continue to do today.

[JohnRandolph]

Are you kidding? That twinkie won't make it more than a minute. They'll soon set aside the playboy seeking out another twinkie.
:lol:
No box of moonpies, nor bag of Doritos is safe.

[johnrocks]

What kind of sick crap do you want them to do with those?

Whatever their heart desires. Me I'd eat the twinkie,look at the playboy and drink the soda.:lol:

[johnrocks]

:lol:
No box of moonpies, nor bag of Doritos is safe.

Moonpies:drool:

[fallenturtle]

Neither does morphine, aspirin, plavix, zocor, tylanol, or many other drugs but they are legal.

H'yup.

[WJStafford]

Almost 420!!!

It's 4:19, you got a minute?

[ThrowCop]

...

My theory is the real reason it's illegal is because the people who like it made total asses of themselves and ticked a lot of people off, much the same as they continue to do today.We don't agree on much with regard to weed, Gene, but on this we do.

Potheads make poor spokespersons for the legalization movement.

And non-potheads like me that support legalization don't care enough to do anything about it. We have more important concerns.

[Ninjacorpse]

Whatever their heart desires. Me I'd eat the twinkie,look at the playboy and drink the soda.:lol:

Yeah, but your not stoned. :razz:

[Mohawk5]

420!!!!!!

Puff puff give!!!!

[Mohawk5]

I was going to say something that would blow your mind and would convince all of you that pot should be legal!

Wait, what was I talking about.

[johnrocks]

That's one of the two main myths.

The other (and more believable) folk legend is that it was racists out to stop Jazz Musicians from the south.

This story is more believable for several reasons...

"Marijuana" is a Spanish name, in English it means "Mary Jane". The New England area was famous for a lot of cultural influences, notably Irish, English, French and Italian but Spanish and Mexican? Not so much.

The Spanish-based name of the Demon Weed itself would be a primary indicator that the invasion of this invasive non-native plant species came primarily from the South, probably Texas/Louisiana which is also the birthplace of Jazz.

Another indicator that it invaded from the South is that marijuana is a non-perennial plant which doesn't do well in temperatures below 70° F. Winters kill the damned thing. They're not competitive with trees in the Northern American forests because winters don't kill trees. They'll kill that despicable weed dead though.

My theory is the real reason it's illegal is because the people who like it made total asses of themselves and ticked a lot of people off, much the same as they continue to do today.

If making total asses of oneself was a crime punishable by jailtime, we'd never get any work done and LA would look like a Ghost Town:lol:

[Ninjacorpse]

We don't agree on much with regard to weed, Gene, but on this we do.

Potheads make poor spokespersons for the legalization movement.

And non-potheads like me that support legalization don't care enough to do anything about it. We have more important concerns.

If your just using and do not have a large quantity on you, you are looking at a slap on the hand.

[bigtwnvin]

The penalties here in the Peoples Republic of MD were re-written for "green leafy vegetable matter that could be recognized by training and experience as mariHuana" in the 80's during the now famous I-95 Herion & Cocaine smuggling between Miami & New York. As a result, your second conviction of possession for weed will net you a manditory minimum sentence of 2 years in one of the various State run "joints" (no pun intended).
One of my sons drew one of these deals, got parole after 7 months then violated for failing a pee test. Back in the hoosegow for the duration. Nice place for a 21 year old that likes to do a little smoke while having fun with his homies. You got your rapists, killers,thieves and different variations of freak shows. Bet my kid is learning some great socio-economic lessons.
Before some jerk-off self righteous clown goes off on how it was his choice to do weed save your gum flappin for somebody that cares. I already been there, done that and have the T Shirt. You're right, it's all on my son. His loss of freedom is his decision, his mother and me are past the guilt.
The same violation in NY, WV, PA, VA & DE are less severe anything ranging from a written citation about as severe as a traffic ticket for jaywalking or a misdemeanor offense. Laws are made by lawyers for other lawyers to benefit I always say.

[johnrocks]

We don't agree on much with regard to weed, Gene, but on this we do.

Potheads make poor spokespersons for the legalization movement.

And non-potheads like me that support legalization don't care enough to do anything about it. We have more important concerns.

That's pretty much me also. I will sit here and argue the merits but I won't be fighting for the cause when sooooooo much more needs to be addressed.;)

[Strongbone]

Precisely. But so is Alcohol.....

Is it additive? Yes.

Is it harmful? Yes in over abundance.

But has it been classified as a illegal drug? Nope.

Is it illegal to sell? Yes if you do not have a license. You can't sell "moonshine" because of tax laws.

[Strongbone]

Just for the record, I don't smoke dope--don't want to, either. I just don' t believe the federal gov't has a right to restrict drugs.

Actually they do have that right. Otherwise someone could sell you asprin and it really is LSD.

[gdoane]

We don't agree on much with regard to weed, Gene, but on this we do.

Potheads make poor spokespersons for the legalization movement.

And non-potheads like me that support legalization don't care enough to do anything about it. We have more important concerns.


Yeah, I just saw the whole countdown to "4:20" and the puff puff pass like that's being cute.

I think the reason can be well summed up in a Mexican song familiar to most Americans but most Americans don't know what the song is about.

"La Cucaracha" means the "Cockroach". The song starts out:

"La Cucaracha, La Cucaracha, El no quiere andalar."

The Cucaracha in the song was the nickname to the Mexican infantrymen. They rest of the verse says "he doesn't want to walk or march".

First refrain is about the Mexican Army being unwilling to march or follow orders.

Second verse:

"Porque no tiene, porque le falta, MARIJUANA QUE FUMAR."

The reason given for the Mexican infantryman failing to follow marching orders is because he doesn't have and he wasn't given his marijuana that he smokes.

The song, if you know what it means, is a parody of the lack of motivation among marijuana slackers, or our modern "burnouts".

You can't say that to potheads though. They'll throw out their heroes like they're somebodies.

"Carl Sagan, MAN! Carl Sagan!!"
Dude was a world class scientist? He worked for PBS, the same people who put out Sesame Street. His replacement was Bill Nye the science guy for pity's sake. That's not proof the guy was an achiever.

"William F. Buckley, MAN! BILL BUCKLEY!"
Dude spoke with a fake as hell accent, and as a writer got outsold by Hillary Clinton's book that she didn't even write herself. He's another major pothead underachievement story.

Pot is illegal because potheads suck.

[Strongbone]

lol, I mean hell, my body, why should some one tell me what I can and can't put in it?:evil:

So your eggs, beef, pork, lettuce, cheese, etc. that you eat aren't inspected? Isn't this telling you what you can put into your body by not allowing you to eat contaminated food?

[birdonawire]

Almost 420!!!


:lol:

[Strongbone]

that is not why it was made illegal.........

The question was "Why is it illegal?" Not why was it made illegal.

[Ninjacorpse]

So your eggs, beef, pork, lettuce, cheese, etc. that you eat aren't inspected? Isn't this telling you what you can put into your body by not allowing you to eat contaminated food?

He is free to go out and hunt or grow his own food, then he is free to put it in his body without the government inspecting it.

[birdonawire]

Yeah, I just saw the whole countdown to "4:20" and the puff puff pass like that's being cute.

I think the reason can be well summed up in a Mexican song familiar to most Americans but most Americans don't know what the song is about.

"La Cucaracha" means the "Cockroach". The song starts out:

"La Cucaracha, La Cucaracha, El no quiere andalar."

The Cucaracha in the song was the nickname to the Mexican infantrymen. They rest of the verse says "he doesn't want to walk or march".

First refrain is about the Mexican Army being unwilling to march or follow orders.

Second verse:

"Porque no tiene, porque le falta, MARIJUANA QUE FUMAR."

The reason given for the Mexican infantryman failing to follow marching orders is because he doesn't have and he wasn't given his marijuana that he smokes.

The song, if you know what it means, is a parody of the lack of motivation among marijuana slackers, or our modern "burnouts".

You can't say that to potheads though. They'll throw out their heroes like they're somebodies.

"Carl Sagan, MAN! Carl Sagan!!"
Dude was a world class scientist? He worked for PBS, the same people who put out Sesame Street. His replacement was Bill Nye the science guy for pity's sake. That's not proof the guy was an achiever.

"William F. Buckley, MAN! BILL BUCKLEY!"
Dude spoke with a fake as hell accent, and as a writer got outsold by Hillary Clinton's book that she didn't even write herself. He's another major pothead underachievement story.

Pot is illegal because potheads suck.


No they dont.

They puff. :angel:

[ramblin_on]

That's one of the two main myths.

Its not a myth its true all you got to do is read a history book.
http://greyfalcon.us/Why%20is%20Marijuana%20Illegal.htm


The other (and more believable) folk legend is that it was racists out to stop Jazz Musicians from the south.

No, they used racism to argue for criminalization of hemp in front of Congress. People like William Randolf Hearst and John Dupont said stuff like "marijuana will make a white woman want to lay with a black man"and reefer makes darkies think they are as good as white men In other words they lied to protect their investments and it worked.


This story is more believable for several reasons...

"Marijuana" is a Spanish name, in English it means "Mary Jane". The New England area was famous for a lot of cultural influences, notably Irish, English, French and Italian but Spanish and Mexican? Not so much.

The Spanish-based name of the Demon Weed itself would be a primary indicator that the invasion of this invasive non-native plant species came primarily from the South, probably Texas/Louisiana which is also the birthplace of Jazz.

Another indicator that it invaded from the South is that marijuana is a non-perennial plant which doesn't do well in temperatures below 70° F. Winters kill the damned thing. They're not competitive with trees in the Northern American forests because winters don't kill trees. They'll kill that despicable weed dead though.

Marijuana is just a Spanish slang term for hemp and hemp was grown commercially in America for more than 200 years. As a matter of fact the first marijuana law was passed at the Jamestown colony in 1619 and it ordered farmers to grow Indian hempseed because it was so critical for a number of purposes and many other "must grow" laws were passed in America's early years.


You're not thinking clearly when you say say that hemp can't compete with trees. Remember that hemp can be harvested every year and can be grown just about anywhere. In 1850 the US census counted 8327 hemp plantations over 2000 acres. It takes years for a tree to grow enough to be harvested even with the fast grow technology they use today. One of the main reasons Hearst was against hemp was he owned a bunch of forest lands that harvested trees for Dupont's paper mills and he knew that a legal hemp industry would bankrupt him. You should be really angry when you realize the amount of money wasted over the years paying for paper that could have been made at a fraction of the cost using hemp instead of wood pulp.

My theory is the real reason it's illegal is because the people who like it made total asses of themselves and ticked a lot of people off, much the same as they continue to do today.

No its illegal because of people like Hearst and Dupont Chemical who had the money to influence Congress so they could keep their fortunes intact and a man named Harry J. Anslinger who was an ambitious government bureaucrat that wanted to be a bigger fish in a bigger pond. He realized that opiate and cocaine use wasn't high enough to make him famous so he latched onto hemp and started working to make it illegal on the federal level. Its job security plain and simple now, the feds know that when there is a market of 60 million people who want to pay for a product there will always be somebody to service the market. If you get a job with the DEA you are set for life.

[camp_steveo]

Hemp is another big issue.

I heard somewhere that 1 acre of hemp produces 100 times as much paper as 1 acre of trees.

That sounds like a pretty good reason to farm hemp to me.

[Strongbone]

I don't believe its legal to grow hemp in the USA, which would be THC-less marijuana.

In my part of the woods tobacco farmers abound. I am sure they can smoke their own product.

If it is not illegal and you smoke it and it contains no drug then you should be able to beat the rap. Heck you could claim you are smoking dried daisy leafs if there is no drug contained in hemp and it is legal. I have no idea if it is or isn't since I could care less about MJ.

If it is illegal and you are caught....http://www.metacafe.com/watch/980901/dragnet_comedy_radio/

I do know that MJ is illegal because of the drug THC. THC is what gives the "high". Heck you can have a prescription for a legal drug and if you "shop" it you are in big trouble! Ask Rush.

[boyhowdy]

Because after you use it...you can't read or write..STUPID!

[Strongbone]

That's ridiculously open ended. You might as well say vices are a gateway to other vices.

However if you steal something once the second time it is easier. It is like lying the first time it is hard after that it starts to get easier.

I have heard that cigs and booze are gateway drugs. I think they can be especially for teens who are always trying to impress their friends.

[camp_steveo]

are you gonna eat that.....lol

[Strongbone]

as i could say to the argument that marijuana is a gateway drug. its less addictive than cigarettes actually.

Maybe but it is far more harmful to the lungs.

[Fintoozler]

Muchies takes care of that.... nothing like a whole bag of Doritos, two snickers bars and a large pan pizza to take care of the low blood sugar!

So then we'd have a bunch of fat, out of shape stoned people who couldn't care less about their physical condition because they're stoned and just eat and eat and eat and eat... The people who don't die of heart attacks won't care when the government or (insert your preferred foreign power here) sweeps in to take everything over because everybody's fat, out of shape, and apathetic to life because they're high.... Kinda circular, but you get the idea... I've never had an intelligent conversation with someone who just sits there belching and can only say the words "color" and "whoa" while pawing at the air.

[fallenturtle]

Maybe but it is far more harmful to the lungs.

Possibly... but you smoke a lot less pot than you would tobacco. Also there are plenty of alternative ways to get THC in your body for example vaporizing it or making food with it.

[fallenturtle]

So then we'd have a bunch of fat, out of shape stoned people who couldn't care less about their physical condition because they're stoned and just eat and eat and eat and eat... The people who don't die of heart attacks won't care when the government or (insert your preferred foreign power here) sweeps in to take everything over because everybody's fat, out of shape, and apathetic to life because they're high.... Kinda circular, but you get the idea... I've never had an intelligent conversation with someone who just sits there belching and can only say the words "color" and "whoa" while pawing at the air.

A large chunk of American is already fat and out of shape. Beer does the same thing to people... and unlike pot, beer also is caloric.

But that said, judging from your post you don't haven't had much experience with high people, have you?

Here's the thing about drugs and alcohol. They can feel good... and there's nothing wrong with that, but as soon as they start having a detrimental affect on your life, then you have a problem.

[birdonawire]

So then we'd have a bunch of fat, out of shape stoned people who couldn't care less about their physical condition because they're stoned and just eat and eat and eat and eat... The people who don't die of heart attacks won't care when the government or (insert your preferred foreign power here) sweeps in to take everything over because everybody's fat, out of shape, and apathetic to life because they're high.... Kinda circular, but you get the idea... I've never had an intelligent conversation with someone who just sits there belching and can only say the words "color" and "whoa" while pawing at the air.

Sounds like you tried to talk to a bunch of acid heads not pot heads.


On second thought you don't know what you are talking about do you?

[Strongbone]

as i could say to the argument that marijuana is a gateway drug. its less addictive than cigarettes actually.

Actually THC has increased in MJ. Once it was only about 1% of the make-up but it has been up to 29%. That increase was discovered 16 years ago. So this may have been true at one time but not necessarily now.

In fact THC encourages both physical and psychological dependence. Marinol is chemically synthesized THC and requires a prescription. In many people the psychological dependence is far more to "kick" than the physical.

[johnrocks]

So your eggs, beef, pork, lettuce, cheese, etc. that you eat aren't inspected? Isn't this telling you what you can put into your body by not allowing you to eat contaminated food?

I was born and raised on a farm, I've eaten "uninspected" beef,pork,eggs,cheese and other products.:cool:

[drylok]

I just wanted to give 1 nod for making it legal everywhere.
Along with narcotics, prositution and gambling and gay marriage

Though I will say I would only support it if any and all employers still had the legal right to run drug screens and hire or not hire accordingly.

[johnrocks]

I just wanted to give 1 nod for making it legal everywhere.
Along with narcotics, prositution and gambling and gay marriage

Though I will say I would only support it if any and all employers still had the legal right to run drug screens and hire or not hire accordingly.

drylok 2012 :cool::flag::cool:

[Bertha]

I hadn't realized so many forum members were stoners.

http://www.powerpage.org/images/steal_your_face.jpg

Conservative non-stoner checking in.....at least from what I remember of the 200 shows I've been to.

[Vaard]

Actually THC has increased in MJ. Once it was only about 1% of the make-up but it has been up to 29%. That increase was discovered 16 years ago. So this may have been true at one time but not necessarily now.

In fact THC encourages both physical and psychological dependence. Marinol is chemically synthesized THC and requires a prescription. In many people the psychological dependence is far more to "kick" than the physical.

there is no physical addiction associated with mj........


and should a psychological addictino be the basis for making smething illegal?

[Vaard]

http://www.powerpage.org/images/steal_your_face.jpg

Conservative non-stoner checking in.....at least from what I remember of the 200 shows I've been to.

156 dead shows here........


did you know ann coulter was a deadhead?

[Strongbone]

That's because nicotine causes a chemical addiction. THC doesn't cause a chemical addiction, though some people do get an emotional addiction to it.

Gotta watch that resin from MJ. Did you know that the smoke you inhale from MJ turns back into a solid? Gee why not just go ahead and eat…

[Ninjacorpse]

there is no physical addiction associated with mj........


and should a psychological addictino be the basis for making smething illegal?

I do not know what addictino or smething are, but I am intrigued.

[johnrocks]

there is no physical addiction associated with mj........


and should a psychological addictino be the basis for making smething illegal?

Don't you take my chocolate!:evil:

[johnrocks]

Gotta watch that resin from MJ. Did you know that the smoke you inhale from MJ turns back into a solid? Gee why not just go ahead and eat…

If it turns into a solid or not, why is it your business?:eh:

[Vaard]

Don't you take my chocolate!:evil:

maybe chocolate should be by presciption only because of its harmful side effects.........

[Bertha]

156 dead shows here........

did you know ann coulter was a deadhead?

Are you joking or serious? I know there are quite a few that you would least suspect are....

See my username? "I had a hard run...."

[Vaard]

Gotta watch that resin from MJ. Did you know that the smoke you inhale from MJ turns back into a solid? Gee why not just go ahead and eat…

so does any other smoke you inhale.........


shuld that criteria be the basis for making things illegal?

[Vaard]

Are you joking or serious? I know there are quite a few that you would least suspect are....

See my username? "I had a hard run...."

read it for yourself......


ann coulters grateful dead interview......

http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml

[JimGP20]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

That is classic. :lol::clap:

[jwil59]

It's stupid for pot to be illegal but I could really care less

[Strongbone]

He is free to go out and hunt or grow his own food, then he is free to put it in his body without the government inspecting it.

He can grow his own lettuce. He can kill his own cow. He can kill his own chickens. But if he goes to the store to buy them I would say he would want them inspected.

[Mohawk5]

:lol:

Only 2 people got that reference so far.

:lol:

[johnrocks]

He can grow his own lettuce. He can kill his own cow. He can kill his own chickens. But if he goes to the store to buy them I would say he would want them inspected.

Sure I would and if I go to the store to buy MJ I'd want it inspected but I can grow it(if I smoked it);)

[wiley8425]

ill eagle = a sick bird

[Mohawk5]

So then we'd have a bunch of fat, out of shape stoned people who couldn't care less about their physical condition because they're stoned and just eat and eat and eat and eat... The people who don't die of heart attacks won't care when the government or (insert your preferred foreign power here) sweeps in to take everything over because everybody's fat, out of shape, and apathetic to life because they're high.... Kinda circular, but you get the idea... I've never had an intelligent conversation with someone who just sits there belching and can only say the words "color" and "whoa" while pawing at the air.



You have really got to get out more!

This is about the most lame brained thing I have ever heard!

I'd like to see you talk to 95% of players in the NBA!

haha

[Strongbone]

there is no physical addiction associated with mj........


and should a psychological addictino be the basis for making smething illegal?

Well notify Barbara Mason quick. She is about to waste her time.

Snips from article:

“Mason is leading the first-ever comprehensive study on the neurobiological effects of cannabis addiction, funded with a $4 million grant from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.”

“Studies at the University of Michigan in 1994 and 2004 show that one in every nine or 10 people who tries marijuana becomes dependent.”

“Part of the problem with marijuana is its long half-life. Because it can be detected in a person's body 30 days after the last use, withdrawal symptoms can last at least that long, Mason said.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20080314-9999-1n14dope.html

[Vaard]

Well notify Barbara Mason quick. She is about to waste her time.

Snips from article:

“Mason is leading the first-ever comprehensive study on the neurobiological effects of cannabis addiction, funded with a $4 million grant from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.”

“Studies at the University of Michigan in 1994 and 2004 show that one in every nine or 10 people who tries marijuana becomes dependent.”

“Part of the problem with marijuana is its long half-life. Because it can be detected in a person's body 30 days after the last use, withdrawal symptoms can last at least that long, Mason said.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20080314-9999-1n14dope.html

yeah, for 4 million, i am sure the results will be exactly what the National Institute on Drug Abuse expects.......

it is no more addictive than chocolate or video games or golfing..........

[Strongbone]

If it turns into a solid or not, why is it your business?:eh:

Never said it was.

But as medical treatment for the solid junk in someones lungs increases my hospitalization insurance I think it does become something of interest to me.

Now if you want to deny MJ smokers their ability to purchase insurance that could increase others insurance or the right to hospital care that could increase others hospital costs...

Like it or not we all are connected in some fashion.

Furthermore the question is and has been from the beginning "Why is MJ illegal" not why is it none of my business. :eh:

[johnrocks]

yeah, for 4 million, i am sure the results will be exactly what the National Institute on Drug Abuse expects.......

it is no more addictive than chocolate or video games or golfing..........

I used to smoke pot as well as Cigarettes. I put down MJ years ago and never picked it back up, cigarettes was at least a decade struggle of quitting and smoking again and then quitting again for me.

[rckirby]

lol, I mean hell, my body, why should some one tell me what I can and can't put in it?:evil:

:clap: :clap:

I haven't used it since early 70's, but I never got why it was illegal. Anymore so than alcohol or ciggies should be.....I mean, they want to now tell us what we can eat for pete's sake!!!

And I'll go a step further, I think all illicit drugs should be made "legal".

You want coke? You have to go to a drug store to get it....pay a price for it, along with paraphernalia.

If people want to OD, that's their business, they are most likely never gonna be a productive citizen anyway.

At least they aren't robbing and killing 80 year old folks for $20.

Regulate it like booze, tax revenues go up, crime goes down.

And like ThrowCop said, I believe this, but I'm not gonna start a movement on it either.

To me its just common sense, but there's not much of that in the legal system anymore.
Now, when they (prisons) are overcrowded, you never know who they're gonna let out.

[Strongbone]

yeah, for 4 million, i am sure the results will be exactly what the National Institute on Drug Abuse expects.......

it is no more addictive than chocolate or video games or golfing..........

Then notify her with your expertise. I am sure she'd appreciate your knowledge on the matter. I know I would since it would save me part of that 4 million wasted bucks the government is about to spend according to you.

[RayMan]

Why is Marijuana illigal????



Because it screws up your spelling skills?

[johnrocks]

Never said it was.

But as medical treatment for the solid junk in someones lungs increases my hospitalization insurance I think it does become something of interest to me.

Now if you want to deny MJ smokers their ability to purchase insurance that could increase others insurance or the right to hospital care that could increase others hospital costs...

Like it or not we all are connected in some fashion.

Furthermore the question is and has been from the beginning "Why is MJ illegal" not why is it none of my business. :eh:

Insurance is high because of risks we share at large with society, long distance runners/health nuts premiums are higher because of fat asses like me, you have smoking and non smoking rates yet the overall costs are still higher for all of us, Diabetes,lung cancer,heart attacks,strokes,liver diseases, etc. are all caused by completly legal things we all do to our bodies. we're making this issue more complicated than it needs to be imho.:eh:

[johnrocks]

:clap: :clap:

I haven't used it since early 70's, but I never got why it was illegal. Anymore so than alcohol or ciggies should be.....I mean, they want to now tell us what we can eat for pete's sake!!!

And I'll go a step further, I think all illicit drugs should be made "legal".

You want coke? You have to go to a drug store to get it....pay a price for it, along with paraphernalia.

If people want to OD, that's their business, they are most likely never gonna be a productive citizen anyway.

At least they aren't robbing and killing 80 year old folks for $20.

Regulate it like booze, tax revenues go up, crime goes down.

And like ThrowCop said, I believe this, but I'm not gonna start a movement on it either.

To me its just common sense, but there's not much of that in the legal system anymore.
Now, when they (prisons) are overcrowded, you never know who they're gonna let out.

Exactly!:cool:

[Cav Scout]

I really should not ever read these threads...

[DRS]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

I do not think it should be an offence you are sent to jail for unless you plan to sell it.

Otherwise you should just pay a 50-5000 fine

It can fund police services and if you are looking at a min 35 years hard time for selling you may think twice

[TXSpitfire]

There is absolutely no compelling reason why marijuana is illegal.

Did that answer the OP's question? :lol:

Seriously, nothing ****es me off more than hearing a story like someone told a few pages back--"my son got caught with weed twice, and was sentenced to two years in prison"--it makes me SICK to think how many millions of dollars we spend prosecuting harmless stoners.

[Clamp]

I find it odd that marijuana is illegal, but I can walk into any grocery store and purchase nutmeg, a hallucinogenic.

Back when I was a dumb teen, someone told me that nutmeg is a hallucinogenic. I did not believe them. I ate the recommended 2/3's of an ounce at around 7PM. Nothing happened for the remainder of the evening. I went to sleep around 11PM feeling a bit queasy from the massive amount of nutmeg I ingested.

I woke up the next morning pretty much tripping my face off. It lasted about 12 hours.

Nutmeg.

[Cygnus X-1]

I find it odd that marijuana is illegal, but I can walk into any grocery store and purchase nutmeg, a hallucinogenic.

Back when I was a dumb teen, someone told me that nutmeg is a hallucinogenic. I did not believe them. I ate the recommended 2/3's of an ounce at around 7PM. Nothing happened for the remainder of the evening. I went to sleep around 11PM feeling a bit queasy from the massive amount of nutmeg I ingested.

I woke up the next morning pretty much tripping my face off. It lasted about 12 hours.

Nutmeg.

"That sounds like more fun than a frog in a glass of milk."

TOOOOOOAD,MAAAAAN!

Seriously....Nutmeg? That's interesting.

[Cygnus X-1]

http://www.powerpage.org/images/steal_your_face.jpg

Conservative non-stoner checking in.....at least from what I remember of the 200 shows I've been to.

"Kind~Bud for your extraaaaaaa."

57

;)

[Vaard]

I find it odd that marijuana is illegal, but I can walk into any grocery store and purchase nutmeg, a hallucinogenic.

Back when I was a dumb teen, someone told me that nutmeg is a hallucinogenic. I did not believe them. I ate the recommended 2/3's of an ounce at around 7PM. Nothing happened for the remainder of the evening. I went to sleep around 11PM feeling a bit queasy from the massive amount of nutmeg I ingested.

I woke up the next morning pretty much tripping my face off. It lasted about 12 hours.

Nutmeg.


morning glory seeds will do the same thing.........

and salvia .....the plant you buy at home depot to plant in your garden..... will also get you high if yuo smoke it.......

[spuddy]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

Hmm ask George Soros? He seems to have that as one of his pet projects.

[Vaard]

I do not think it should be an offence you are sent to jail for unless you plan to sell it.

Otherwise you should just pay a 50-5000 fine

It can fund police services and if you are looking at a min 35 years hard time for selling you may think twice

so......

it should be a minor crime to posess it.......

but a major crime to be the one that provides the substance that shouldbe a minor offense to posess........


and that makes sense how?

[Cav Scout]

so......

it should be a minor crime to posess it.......

but a major crime to be the one that provides the substance that shouldbe a minor offense to posess........


and that makes sense how?

Smoke a bowl, it will all come to you...:cool:

[Clamp]

"That sounds like more fun than a frog in a glass of milk."

TOOOOOOAD,MAAAAAN!

Seriously....Nutmeg? That's interesting.

Definitely odd. Do a youtube search for "nutmeg high" if you have some free time...

[RayMan]

http://www.powerpage.org/images/steal_your_face.jpg

Conservative non-stoner checking in.....at least from what I remember of the 200 shows I've been to.

;)
Bertha don't you come around here anymore... ;)

[USMC_Dad]

Well it started with Harry Anslinger and William Hearst and kinda snowballed from there.

If one reads the history, Anslinger used fear and scare tactics to get the congress to get marijuana on the illegal list. As our congress of today, they fell inline to put it on the list as no one wanted to say it wasn't dangerous. First they decided to use stamps to tax it. The government only initially issued a small number of stamps. When they ran out, they printed no more stamps. So no stamp... not permit to grow marijuana. After marijuana was made illegal, La Guardia had a study conducted on the dangers of marijuana using Anslingers money. The conclusion of the study was that marijuana was no more dangerous than alcohol. Anslinger quickly denounced that study.

[RayMan]

Almost 420!!!

Is this the DeadHead thread?

[USMC_Dad]

Why do you care what I do behind closed doors in the privacy of my own home in the first place??? Not that I'm a pot head or smoke in the first place.

[Dale in GA]

marijuana can also KILL people like me w/ hypoglycemia... it lowers your blood sugar exponentially. so dont say it isnt dangerous.

That's no reason to outlaw it, though.

Bourbon raises your blood alcohol level . . .

[ramblin_on]

Actually THC has increased in MJ. Once it was only about 1% of the make-up but it has been up to 29%. That increase was discovered 16 years ago. So this may have been true at one time but not necessarily now.

All that means is you don't have to smoke as much to get high.

In fact THC encourages both physical and psychological dependence. Marinol is chemically synthesized THC and requires a prescription. In many people the psychological dependence is far more to "kick" than the physical.

Nonsense, before I met my wife I was going through an ounce of weed a week and 2 1/2 packs of marlboros a day. She gave me a choice, her or the drugs. After a couple of weeks of saying that I'm not going to let this woman run my life I threw the pot away and haven't touched any since. I never felt withdrawal symptoms or had the dts. It took me 6 months to quit smoking cigarettes and I had a hell of a time getting over them. You're just spouting government propaganda put out so they can keep their jobs.

[ramblin_on]

I do not think it should be an offence you are sent to jail for unless you plan to sell it.

Otherwise you should just pay a 50-5000 fine

It can fund police services and if you are looking at a min 35 years hard time for selling you may think twice


I think they should leave the pot smokers alone and go after real criminals like the politicians who are screwing us every day without a kiss.

[johnrocks]

I think they should leave the pot smokers alone and go after real criminals like the politicians who are screwing us every day without a kiss.

Tell me about it!:evil:

[InvisaGirl]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

LOL this is exactly what I was thinking.

[InvisaGirl]

I think they should leave the pot smokers alone and go after real criminals like the politicians who are screwing us every day without a kiss.

and why don't we just stop prosecuting people who smoke crack too, and those that buy heroin.

Have you ever been to the straight up ghetto? have you ever lived next to someone who smokes marijuana all day long and blast loud music, and smokes so much drugs that your smoke detector goes off when you have a 4 month old child in your home? I have.

Drugs ruin neighborhoods. They destroy cities, and rob people of their ability to have a nice life. don't get me wrong i thought drugs should be legalized when i was younger but, the laziness, and other criminal behavior that is bred from doing drugs is something the government must stop.

[Bertha]

"Kind~Bud for your extraaaaaaa."

57

;)

LOL -- I actually did give out a couple of miracles.

[Bertha]

;)
Bertha don't you come around here anymore... ;)

test me, test me.....

[RayMan]

test me, test me.....

Why don't you arrest me?

[Canadian Jane]

Marijuana is a de-motivator.

The last thing we need in North America is another de-motivator.

[Raoul Duke]

"That sounds like more fun than a frog in a glass of milk."

TOOOOOOAD,MAAAAAN!

Seriously....Nutmeg? That's interesting.

yup...
itll get ya

[Bertha]

read it for yourself......


ann coulters grateful dead interview......

http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml

:)):)) Regarding her remembrance of the first and last shows she saw:

I have no recollection of it whatsoever, other than that it was awesome.

[The Girl from Ipanema]

I find it odd that marijuana is illegal, but I can walk into any grocery store and purchase nutmeg, a hallucinogenic.

Back when I was a dumb teen, someone told me that nutmeg is a hallucinogenic. I did not believe them. I ate the recommended 2/3's of an ounce at around 7PM. Nothing happened for the remainder of the evening. I went to sleep around 11PM feeling a bit queasy from the massive amount of nutmeg I ingested.

I woke up the next morning pretty much tripping my face off. It lasted about 12 hours.

Nutmeg.

Nice goin', Clamp!

Now what the hell am I going to put in my pumpkin pie next year after they've outlawed it now that you've let the secret out!

If my family has to have bland pie next year, it's your fault. :snooty:

[ramblin_on]

and why don't we just stop prosecuting people who smoke crack too, and those that buy heroin.

Have you ever been to the straight up ghetto? have you ever lived next to someone who smokes marijuana all day long and blast loud music, and smokes so much drugs that your smoke detector goes off when you have a 4 month old child in your home? I have.

Drugs ruin neighborhoods. They destroy cities, and rob people of their ability to have a nice life. don't get me wrong i thought drugs should be legalized when i was younger but, the laziness, and other criminal behavior that is bred from doing drugs is something the government must stop.

Perhaps what you say is true but again I must point out that making them illegal has not stopped anybody from getting high if they have the cash. It doesn't matter where you live if you got a twenty dollar bill you can find your drug of choice. Its not the drugs who ruin neighborhoods its the people who live there and even if there wasn't such a thing as drugs the people who live in ghettos would still destroy them, its in their nature. Cream always rises to the top and crap always runs down hill. I assure you that there are many otherwise law abiding citizens who go to work every day and contribute to society that like to fire up a doobie when they get home. It has been estimated that over 20% of Americans use marijuana on a regular basis and the last time I looked that would be roughly 60 million people. Making it illegal is just a waste of time and our limited law enforcement resources.

You say you have a child right? Well think of this: When your child reaches his teenage years and wants to go get high because his friends are all doing it and he wants to be seen as cool or hip or whatever they call it today. He gets a twenty dollar bill somehow and goes to the local drug dealer. Do you think that drug dealer is going to ask for his ID before he sells him any drugs? But if they were legal the clerk at the store wouldn't let him have any unless he produced a valid ID now wouldn't he? Ask kids today what is easier to get drugs or alcohol and they'll tell you drugs every time. We need to quit living in the fantasy world where making something illegal stops people from doing it and start living in the real world.

[gdoane]

Perhaps what you say is true but again I must point out that making them illegal has not stopped anybody from getting high if they have the cash.

Then stop them from having the cash. Kill the cash system. Most people who use cash do so for criminal activities anyway. Anybody who has the cash for serious transactions also has a Visa or Mastercard or other debit card going on.

I don't even LIKE the cash anymore. It looks like monopoly money that somebody turned a child care crayon festival on. It's so ugly the Mama of the guy who designed the modern $5 bill never even put it on the refrigerator.

My favorite debit card is cool, has an American Flag on it. My checks have American Flags too, with the motto "One Nation Under God" and "God Bless America" on each one I write.

Cash sucks. Cash transactions are for dope dealers, illegal aliens and terrorists.

$20 cash would last me for three months. I don't deal with people so disreputable as to be unable to take an ATM card for payment.

The best solution against illegal transactions is to eliminate cash entirely. I wouldn't miss it. I never hold more than $20 cash money in my wallet anyway.

Drug dealing is a cash biz. So is employment of illegal aliens and robbery and panhandling.

I love telling bums I don't use cash. "Spare a Dime" means nothing to a guy who doesn't have a use for dimes. Cash is an inconvenient thing. Coins are even more inconvenient.

Kill the cash and you kill the drug dealing, the illegal alien problem and every other grey market.

It doesn't matter where you live if you got a twenty dollar bill you can find your drug of choice. Its not the drugs who ruin neighborhoods its the people who live there and even if there wasn't such a thing as drugs the people who live in ghettos would still destroy them, its in their nature.

So take the twenty dollar bill and burn the stupid thing. Money sucks. It's the lifeblood of the grey market and the black market. Take away the lifeblood and the beast will die.




Cream always rises to the top and crap always runs down hill. I assure you that there are many otherwise law abiding citizens who go to work every day and contribute to society that like to fire up a doobie when they get home. It has been estimated that over 20% of Americans use marijuana on a regular basis and the last time I looked that would be roughly 60 million people. Making it illegal is just a waste of time and our limited law enforcement resources.


The people who have broken the law, knowingly and willfully, for anticipated pleasures are scum with no justification for their selfish behavior. People who use marijuana contribute far less than they take. They're a bunch of stupid selfish bastards, not to put too fine a point on it.

They're also the same people who wind up in jail with 80% of arrests testing positive for drug abuse.

Get booked, get tested for drugs. Why's that? It's because arrestees are usually drunk, stoned and out of their right minds about 4 out of 5 times.

You say you have a child right? Well think of this: When your child reaches his teenage years and wants to go get high because his friends are all doing it and he wants to be seen as cool or hip or whatever they call it today. He gets a twenty dollar bill somehow and goes to the local drug dealer. Do you think that drug dealer is going to ask for his ID before he sells him any drugs? But if they were legal the clerk at the store wouldn't let him have any unless he produced a valid ID now wouldn't he? Ask kids today what is easier to get drugs or alcohol and they'll tell you drugs every time. We need to quit living in the fantasy world where making something illegal stops people from doing it and start living in the real world.

Let's say my neighbor has a child, right? Well think of this: When that child reaches his teenage years and becomes a damned stoner, my house is first on his list to burglarize and pawn shop my stolen stuff to support his dope habit and get the cash his drug dealer so loves.

The right answer is "NO". All the time, every time.

I'm a Conservative. I always say "NO". It's easy, it's fast, it's predictable and it doesn't take a whole lot of consideration, unless it's liberal and then my answer is "OH HELL NO".

My answer to legalization of drugs falls well into the "OH HELL NO" classification.

[InvisaGirl]

Perhaps what you say is true but again I must point out that making them illegal has not stopped anybody from getting high if they have the cash. It doesn't matter where you live if you got a twenty dollar bill you can find your drug of choice. Its not the drugs who ruin neighborhoods its the people who live there and even if there wasn't such a thing as drugs the people who live in ghettos would still destroy them, its in their nature. Cream always rises to the top and crap always runs down hill. I assure you that there are many otherwise law abiding citizens who go to work every day and contribute to society that like to fire up a doobie when they get home. It has been estimated that over 20% of Americans use marijuana on a regular basis and the last time I looked that would be roughly 60 million people. Making it illegal is just a waste of time and our limited law enforcement resources.

You say you have a child right? Well think of this: When your child reaches his teenage years and wants to go get high because his friends are all doing it and he wants to be seen as cool or hip or whatever they call it today. He gets a twenty dollar bill somehow and goes to the local drug dealer. Do you think that drug dealer is going to ask for his ID before he sells him any drugs? But if they were legal the clerk at the store wouldn't let him have any unless he produced a valid ID now wouldn't he? Ask kids today what is easier to get drugs or alcohol and they'll tell you drugs every time. We need to quit living in the fantasy world where making something illegal stops people from doing it and start living in the real world.

1. Are you saying that people that live in the ghetto are scum? Doyou at all possibly think that maybe just maybe some of the people that live in the poorer neighborhoods are people who do not have money to live in a better neighborhoods.

2. When i was a teen ager, I was able to buy cigarretes, and liquor. You know how, either i'd pay the clerk more, get some older person to do it, or go to stores that didn't care to ID. If my son wants to do those same things, I can't stop them but the government needs to get real serious about the war on drugs because they could stop it if they wanted to, they just need to secure that border to the south.

3. In the real world, legalizeing drugs will cause MORE people to do drugs. It will cause more problems to society. Thnk about it this way... if I wanted to do drugs right now, i'd have to go out and ask a bunch of people if they knew someone who sold drugs, in that process, i would probably end up implicating myself to a police officer and would be stopped. If drugs were legal, all i'd have to do is go down to he store. It isn't smart and once you legalize marijuana, others will want to legalize it.

[Mohawk5]

I find it odd that marijuana is illegal, but I can walk into any grocery store and purchase nutmeg, a hallucinogenic.

Back when I was a dumb teen, someone told me that nutmeg is a hallucinogenic. I did not believe them. I ate the recommended 2/3's of an ounce at around 7PM. Nothing happened for the remainder of the evening. I went to sleep around 11PM feeling a bit queasy from the massive amount of nutmeg I ingested.

I woke up the next morning pretty much tripping my face off. It lasted about 12 hours.

Nutmeg.


Ever here of Salvia?

Available at the local store.

Smoke it and it trips you out.

Never done it never will but if you google it the videos online are pretty funny.

Salvia.

[Mohawk5]

Marijuana is a de-motivator.

The last thing we need in North America is another de-motivator.


What about for a person that suffers from ADD and refuses to become some other version of themselves by not being stuffed with pills by their doctor.

So it's ok to have to pay some crazy cost's for this ADD medicine when the person can puff away for allot less and not get hooked on the so called solution.

:naughty:

[Mohawk5]

"The people who have broken the law, knowingly and willfully, for anticipated pleasures are scum with no justification for their selfish behavior. People who use marijuana contribute far less than they take. They're a bunch of stupid selfish bastards, not to put too fine a point on it."



Yeah screw Bill Gates and Silicon Valley those bunch of stoners!

How dare they deliver us the best technology the world has ever known.

THE PC!

Get off your high horse!

The very machine you are using to bash stoners was built and designed by stoners!

[chichimama]

because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

:)) :)) :))

[Poisonshady313]

3. In the real world, legalizeing drugs will cause MORE people to do drugs.

That's a ridiculous claim. Real world experience proves otherwise. Here's the test: Go into a party (college or otherwise) where there are people smoking marijuana as openly as they're drinking.... as if it were legal... and find out how many people at that party didn't smoke, don't smoke, and won't smoke despite the tremendous availability.


Imagine if you had designated weed smoking areas in front of places like 7/11. Their snacks and beverages sales would go through the roof. Might even have to hire some help for the overnight shift... legalizing pot would increase jobs.

Thnk about it this way... if I wanted to do drugs right now, i'd have to go out and ask a bunch of people if they knew someone who sold drugs, in that process, i would probably end up implicating myself to a police officer and would be stopped. If drugs were legal, all i'd have to do is go down to he store. It isn't smart and once you legalize marijuana, others will want to legalize it.
Prohibition didn't work with alcohol. It (isn't working) won't work with Marijuana either.

"If drugs were legal, all i'd have to do is go down to the store".... because cigarettes are so much better for you than weed, right? Because getting drunk is a much better situation than being stoned right?

I know enough people who drink, get stoned, get stoned while drunk, and drink while stoned to know that when they're drunk, they're most often mean and belligerent... while those who are stoned are goofy, laugh a lot and eat chips.

When they're a combination thereof, they're either the first to throw up, the first to pass out, or both.

[gdoane]

That's a ridiculous claim. Real world experience proves otherwise. Here's the test: Go into a party (college or otherwise) where there are people smoking marijuana as openly as they're drinking.... as if it were legal... and find out how many people at that party didn't smoke, don't smoke, and won't smoke despite the tremendous availability.

College is the last place anybody should be drinking or smoking. They're there to learn and blowing vast resources to do so, and then impairing the one brain they're trying to improve. College students who do drugs are wasting resources.

School is not a damned party crash pad and I hate paying for the damned kids who waste the opportunity. Just throw the little bastards in prison the first time they pop positive on a drug test and save the resources for a kid who was raised right.


Imagine if you had designated weed smoking areas in front of places like 7/11. Their snacks and beverages sales would go through the roof. Might even have to hire some help for the overnight shift... legalizing pot would increase jobs.


You'd put 7/11 out of business because the parking lot would turn into a gauntlet run between beggars, muggers and carjackers. You've seen what the bastards do to neighborhoods. Blight and abandoned stolen cars, crack whores on the corner and meth heads breaking windows to take anything they can pawn.

If you want to see a town where druggies rule, go to Guadalupe, Arizona. They just lost their law enforcement as of next February. The cops literally QUIT. Between the druggies and the illegal aliens and the city government that protected those jerks, the Sheriff called it quits. They didn't close 7/11, they closed 911. In February, 911 calls will be duly and totally ignored. The druggies have the town to themselves. The illegal aliens own the place.

Guadalupe is a Hellhole now. I'd never go there without a concealed weapon during the daylight hours and I'd be out of there by nightfall.

Legalized drugs would turn every store into Guadalupe, bunch of unemployed junkies begging and stealing their ways through their miserable half-baked lives.

Prohibition didn't work with alcohol. It (isn't working) won't work with Marijuana either.

Prohibition did work with alcohol. It identified jerks and outlaws. The only real problem was our liberal government didn't have the guts to stand up to people like Al Capone and Jack Kennedy rumrunners and hang them high. The problem with prohibition wasn't prohibition, it was gutless enforcement and corrupt government on the take from the Mob.

"If drugs were legal, all i'd have to do is go down to the store".... because cigarettes are so much better for you than weed, right? Because getting drunk is a much better situation than being stoned right?

They're all bad situations. By admitting they're all bad situations, you blow a hole clean through your argument that getting stoned should be legalized. You call it bad.

I know enough people who drink, get stoned, get stoned while drunk, and drink while stoned to know that when they're drunk, they're most often mean and belligerent... while those who are stoned are goofy, laugh a lot and eat chips.

When they're a combination thereof, they're either the first to throw up, the first to pass out, or both.

I wouldn't stay five seconds with anyone who used an illegal drug. I'd be back in a few minutes with a cop to bust their sorry ass and send them to prison. I hate on people who break the law. I'm a law and order kind of guy, and I don't even like seeing the law bent a little bit.

I don't know anybody who uses drugs. If I did, they'd be thrown in prison where they belong.

[247]

...

If you want to see a town where druggies rule, go to Guadalupe, Arizona. They just lost their law enforcement as of next February. The cops literally QUIT. Between the druggies and the illegal aliens and the city government that protected those jerks, the Sheriff called it quits. They didn't close 7/11, they closed 911. In February, 911 calls will be duly and totally ignored. The druggies have the town to themselves. The illegal aliens own the place.

Guadalupe is a Hellhole now. I'd never go there without a concealed weapon during the daylight hours and I'd be out of there by nightfall.

Legalized drugs would turn every store into Guadalupe, bunch of unemployed junkies begging and stealing their ways through their miserable half-baked lives.

...

I'm glad Guadalupe lost their law enforcement. They're a bunch of anti-American, anti-law enforcement fools, and they deserve the anarchy that they get.

[johnrocks]

I never understood it, you gun control and drug control guys should get together and take notes, perhaps form your own party.

[gdoane]

I'm glad Guadalupe lost their law enforcement. They're a bunch of anti-American, anti-law enforcement fools, and they deserve the anarchy that they get.

They literally stripped a cop car. The deputy was in taking a report from a rape victim and he came back to his car with the cruiser on cement blocks, wheels gone, light bar gone, stereo stolen and a $35,000 car totalled. Now deputies go in to Guadalupe in pairs, one to deal with the crime and one to watch the back of the deputy going in.

In a couple of months, deputies won't go in to Guadalupe at all. It's a total shame seeing a town go to Hell like that but drugs did it. Drugs and illegal immigration killed Guadalupe. You can go there but if they murder you that's basically legal there now. It won't be investigated or prosecuted. You screwed up and ventured into drug gang and illegal alien territory.

[247]

They literally stripped a cop car. The deputy was in taking a report from a rape victim and he came back to his car with the cruiser on cement blocks, wheels gone, light bar gone, stereo stolen and a $35,000 car totalled. Now deputies go in to Guadalupe in pairs, one to deal with the crime and one to watch the back of the deputy going in.

In a couple of months, deputies won't go in to Guadalupe at all. It's a total shame seeing a town go to Hell like that but drugs did it. Drugs and illegal immigration killed Guadalupe. You can go there but if they murder you that's basically legal there now. It won't be investigated or prosecuted. You screwed up and ventured into drug gang and illegal alien territory.

They did it to themselves. They spit on law enforcement. They defy law and order.

The town is a cesspool, and anyone who doesn't know about the area or who have never been there doesn't know what they're talking about. Guadalupe is a shining example on the toilet seat of humanity of how to destroy a town. I have no sympathy for them.

[DarkStarrRingo]

Because it causes spelling errors, retread.

[Roberts_the_man]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

:)) :)) :))

If you don't want to do the time .... Don't do the crime.

Not rocket science.

I've ran into enough pot smokers throughout my life to know what the continued use does to cognitive skills. :)) :)) :))

Links to all sorts of negatives makes it a "no brainer" not to use it.

[Roberts_the_man]

"The people who have broken the law, knowingly and willfully, for anticipated pleasures are scum with no justification for their selfish behavior. People who use marijuana contribute far less than they take. They're a bunch of stupid selfish bastards, not to put too fine a point on it."



Yeah screw Bill Gates and Silicon Valley those bunch of stoners!

How dare they deliver us the best technology the world has ever known.

THE PC!

Get off your high horse!

The very machine you are using to bash stoners was built and designed by stoners!

I thought I read somewhere that Bill didn't actually write the first version of Dos and just bought or stole the rights to the program?

Here's something on it...
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm


If true Gates and co. stood on the shoulders of men that actually delivered before them.


My guess is his wife now has him on the short leash and goes nowhere near the stuff now.

[Ace_Rockolla]

Marijuana should be legal. I read somewhere that Jesus himself sold Marijuana and cocaine to school children.

I say, if it's good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.

[RedForman]

Because it causes you to spell "illegal" wrong

[Clamp]

Nice goin', Clamp!

Now what the hell am I going to put in my pumpkin pie next year after they've outlawed it now that you've let the secret out!

If my family has to have bland pie next year, it's your fault. :snooty:

I'm sorry! :)

[Mohawk5]

I thought I read somewhere that Bill didn't actually write the first version of Dos and just bought or stole the rights to the program?

Here's something on it...
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm


If true Gates and co. stood on the shoulders of men that actually delivered before them.


My guess is his wife now has him on the short leash and goes nowhere near the stuff now.


Sorry my point was not to push BG on anyone and who did what.

My point was that they were all a bunch of vino sipping stonies!

[Marleysdaddy]

Because it damages the part of your brain responsible for spelling....

:))

[Marleysdaddy]

Nah I just don't like the constant bull **** shoved down our throats. Most people don't even know that alcohol, tobacco and even coffee and McDonalds is more harmful to your body.

You should edit that filter bypass

[gdoane]

I never understood it, you gun control and drug control guys should get together and take notes, perhaps form your own party.

You wanna mix guns and drugs?

They already had that party. The leader was General Miguel Noriega. He has prison sentences in three nations.

[Roberts_the_man]

Sorry my point was not to push BG on anyone and who did what.

My point was that they were all a bunch of vino sipping stonies!

Which explains why windows is so stable as an OS? :)) :)) :))

[cypalmer]

Ace, Jesus didn't sell drugs to school children. That is very disrespectful. And if Jesus did provide school children with marijuana and cocaine he gave it to them (he was a giver not a seller). There is so much you don't understand.

[Poisonshady313]

College is the last place anybody should be drinking or smoking. They're there to learn and blowing vast resources to do so, and then impairing the one brain they're trying to improve. College students who do drugs are wasting resources.

School is not a damned party crash pad and I hate paying for the damned kids who waste the opportunity. Just throw the little bastards in prison the first time they pop positive on a drug test and save the resources for a kid who was raised right.
All that is true... yet painfully misses the point that I was trying to make, which is that legalizing drugs will not cause more usage. People make their own decisions... and those who don't smoke now won't smoke when it's legalized.


You'd put 7/11 out of business because the parking lot would turn into a gauntlet run between beggars, muggers and carjackers. You've seen what the bastards do to neighborhoods. Blight and abandoned stolen cars, crack whores on the corner and meth heads breaking windows to take anything they can pawn. You seem to be confusing weed with meth and crack. I know what your feelings are on the subject... I just don't agree with the generalized way you characterize users... especially because I know many people whose ONLY crime is possessing and using marijuana.

Legalized drugs would turn every store into Guadalupe, bunch of unemployed junkies begging and stealing their ways through their miserable half-baked lives. I know a few potheads with an admirable work ethic.

They're all bad situations. By admitting they're all bad situations, you blow a hole clean through your argument that getting stoned should be legalized. You call it bad. Drinking coffee can be bad for you. Most carbonated soft drinks can be bad for you. Eating a wrongly prepared burger can be bad for you.

Face it... each and every decision you make to put something into your body has its pros AND cons. Some have more cons than others. Some of those with more cons are legal, while some of those with less cons are illegal.

Heck.. just about everything can be bad for you. Did you know that too much water causes over-hydration, which could cause brain damage?

[Ace_Rockolla]

Ace, Jesus didn't sell drugs to school children. That is very disrespectful. And if Jesus did provide school children with marijuana and cocaine he gave it to them (he was a giver not a seller). There is so much you don't understand.

Hold on a sec. You KNOW Jesus? NO WAY! Did you also go to Evergreen High School?

I'm sorry, but I am not being disrespectful. Jesus turned up in our local newspaper once because he was suspected of selling drugs near my school. I wasn't surprised since he started smoking in 7th grade and he once wanted me to try marijuana with him. He was not a good guy. I'm not sure how well you know Jesus, but I've known him since 3rd grade when his parents became friends with my parents. He's not the guy who would just give drugs away. He would do it all for the money.

[Mohawk5]

Which explains why windows is so stable as an OS? :)) :)) :))


:dance:

[Broseph]

College is the last place anybody should be drinking or smoking. They're there to learn and blowing vast resources to do so, and then impairing the one brain they're trying to improve.

Just throw the little bastards in prison the first time they pop positive on a drug test and save the resources for a kid who was raised right.

I wouldn't stay five seconds with anyone who used an illegal drug. I hate on people who break the law.

I don't know anybody who uses drugs. If I did, they'd be thrown in prison where they belong.

Just look at the incredible amount of hate in this. Hatred for people who make decisions regarding their own body and hurt nobody else. And I thought the GOP was the party of the individual, not the group.

How can you read this post and not laugh at how ridiculous it is that somebody actually feels this way?

[fallenturtle]

Because it causes spelling errors, retread.

Speaking of which...
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=42198941#post42198941

[Livey]

You gotta hand it to the government, with one hand they take away your liberties and throw you in jail for YEARS AT A TIME for possession of marijuana, and with the other the shove alcohol, tobacco and all these pharmaceuticals that do much more harm than good. Its hypocrisy of the worst kind because they masquerade themselves as doing it for your own good and for the children or some other ********. There is no good reason as to why it shouldn't be legalized unless you count pharmaceutical and tobacco companies losing money.

Who cares? I mean besides the pot smokers.

[Broseph]

Who cares? I mean besides the pot smokers.

Anyone who values individual liberty.

Maybe french fries should be outlawed since I don't care for them. I think they should be banned. After all, who cares?

Why do I care if french fry eaters are thrown in jail. They asked for it, right?

[ramblin_on]

Then stop them from having the cash. Kill the cash system. Most people who use cash do so for criminal activities anyway. Anybody who has the cash for serious transactions also has a Visa or Mastercard or other debit card going on.

I don't even LIKE the cash anymore. It looks like monopoly money that somebody turned a child care crayon festival on. It's so ugly the Mama of the guy who designed the modern $5 bill never even put it on the refrigerator.

My favorite debit card is cool, has an American Flag on it. My checks have American Flags too, with the motto "One Nation Under God" and "God Bless America" on each one I write.

Cash sucks. Cash transactions are for dope dealers, illegal aliens and terrorists.

$20 cash would last me for three months. I don't deal with people so disreputable as to be unable to take an ATM card for payment.

The best solution against illegal transactions is to eliminate cash entirely. I wouldn't miss it. I never hold more than $20 cash money in my wallet anyway.

Drug dealing is a cash biz. So is employment of illegal aliens and robbery and panhandling.

I love telling bums I don't use cash. "Spare a Dime" means nothing to a guy who doesn't have a use for dimes. Cash is an inconvenient thing. Coins are even more inconvenient.

Kill the cash and you kill the drug dealing, the illegal alien problem and every other grey market.



So take the twenty dollar bill and burn the stupid thing. Money sucks. It's the lifeblood of the grey market and the black market. Take away the lifeblood and the beast will die.




The people who have broken the law, knowingly and willfully, for anticipated pleasures are scum with no justification for their selfish behavior. People who use marijuana contribute far less than they take. They're a bunch of stupid selfish bastards, not to put too fine a point on it.

They're also the same people who wind up in jail with 80% of arrests testing positive for drug abuse.

Get booked, get tested for drugs. Why's that? It's because arrestees are usually drunk, stoned and out of their right minds about 4 out of 5 times.



Let's say my neighbor has a child, right? Well think of this: When that child reaches his teenage years and becomes a damned stoner, my house is first on his list to burglarize and pawn shop my stolen stuff to support his dope habit and get the cash his drug dealer so loves.

The right answer is "NO". All the time, every time.

I'm a Conservative. I always say "NO". It's easy, it's fast, it's predictable and it doesn't take a whole lot of consideration, unless it's liberal and then my answer is "OH HELL NO".

My answer to legalization of drugs falls well into the "OH HELL NO" classification.


I am not arguing with you I am just pointing out that drugs have been illegal for a long time now, it isn't working, and it won't work. You want to bury your head in the sand and hope your children won't get money for drugs, fine, I wish you luck with that. You want to live in a fantasy world were the war on drugs is being won, hope that works out for you. I am a pragmatist and a realist, however, I think criminalizing them just means there is a black market for drugs that anybody with the cash can buy and if you want to end the problems associated with drug use then you need to bring them out in the open where their is no fear of prosecution if they go somewhere for help and a greater fear of prosecution if they are sold to children. Like the serenity prayer says:

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change those things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference

[Livey]

Anyone who values individual liberty.

Maybe french fries should be outlawed since I don't care for them. I think they should be banned. After all, who cares?

Why do I care if french fry eaters are thrown in jail. They asked for it, right?

The crap is illegal. Deal with it.

[Broseph]

The crap is illegal. Deal with it.

So was blacks voting and women voting at one time. According to you, they should have dealt with it.

On the other hand, Broseph advocates fighting for your liberties and against archaic governmental laws.

Remember, law is not a synonym for correct.

[Roberts_the_man]

All that is true... yet painfully misses the point that I was trying to make, which is that legalizing drugs will not cause more usage. People make their own decisions... and those who don't smoke now won't smoke when it's legalized.


You seem to be confusing weed with meth and crack. I know what your feelings are on the subject... I just don't agree with the generalized way you characterize users... especially because I know many people whose ONLY crime is possessing and using marijuana.

I know a few potheads with an admirable work ethic.

Drinking coffee can be bad for you. Most carbonated soft drinks can be bad for you. Eating a wrongly prepared burger can be bad for you.

Face it... each and every decision you make to put something into your body has its pros AND cons. Some have more cons than others. Some of those with more cons are legal, while some of those with less cons are illegal.

Heck.. just about everything can be bad for you. Did you know that too much water causes over-hydration, which could cause brain damage?


If nothing these types of threads always take the predictable course of defending MJ use by citing anything and everything that is used to destroy oneself by accident to everything that one can do on purpose.

:)) :)) :))

Most people are smart enough to avoid the latter because they know better and take precautions on the former to avoid the obvious.

[skprtod914]

If anyone can tell me the benefit of altering one's mind so that you temporarily go mad, then please do.

[247]

So was blacks voting and women voting at one time. According to you, they should have dealt with it.

On the other hand, Broseph advocates fighting for your liberties and against archaic governmental laws.

Remember, law is not a synonym for correct.

It appears you have an issue with laws.

[Broseph]

If anyone can tell me the benefit of altering one's mind so that you temporarily go mad, then please do.

1st - Irrelevant. Not your decision what to do with my mind. Not my decision to do with your mind. Easy to understand, yes?

2nd - Tell me the benefit of eating pizza. Obviously, those who eat pizza know the risks and rewards of eating pizza. Same with stoners and marijuana.

3rd - Tell me the benefit of jailing marijuana users is greater than the benefit of saving the money used by the drug war and having a great many non-violent "criminals" back to living their daily lives prior to interruption by the nanny-state federal government.

[fallenturtle]

Who cares? I mean besides the pot smokers.

If marijuana was actually made legal, it would be great for our economy and also take away a large cash crop from criminal organizations that profit off the war on drugs. If treated like alcohol or tobacco, it could also be a good source of tax revenue. And finally it would free up prison space for people who actually harm others.

[Roberts_the_man]

Anyone who values individual liberty.

Maybe french fries should be outlawed since I don't care for them. I think they should be banned. After all, who cares?

Why do I care if french fry eaters are thrown in jail. They asked for it, right?

Unless someone goes into fast food mind gridlock after eating a large order of fries ...The comparison lacks credibilty.

[Broseph]

It appears you have an issue with laws.

Poor laws that are unconstitutional... yes.

At least the lawmakers of years gone by realized that banning alcohol was unconstitutional. Thus the 18th amendment. And the 21st, which repealed that one since the ban of alcohol had become constitutional following the 18th.

Two short decades later marijuana is banned. Unconstitutional. However, was there an amendment? No.

[Broseph]

Unless someone goes into fast food mind gridlock after eating a large order of fries ...The comparison lacks credibilty.

No, your argument lacks credibility. First, marijuana is not addictive,which is what you're implying here. There is no crash upon ceasing use of it.

Second, even if it was, it is not your call what I get addicted to, or what Joe the Plumber gets addicted to, just as it is not my call what you get addicted to.

[Livey]

So was blacks voting and women voting at one time. According to you, they should have dealt with it.

Gosh, I don't remember saying that.

On the other hand, Broseph advocates fighting for your liberties and against archaic governmental laws.

Go for it

Remember, law is not a synonym for correct.

Remember, even if you don't like a law.... You still have to follow it.

[fallenturtle]

If anyone can tell me the benefit of altering one's mind so that you temporarily go mad, then please do.

Go mad? Have you been watching Reefer Madness?? Do you know what pot actually does to you? It basically just makes your brain run slower, occasionally go off on strange mental tangents, gives you euphoric feelings, makes you hungry, kind of lazy, sometimes paranoid... but it doesn't, unless you smoke a WHOLE lot of it, make you split from reality, i.e. madness.

[JStasc08]

If anyone can tell me the benefit of altering one's mind so that you temporarily go mad, then please do.

No, there is no benefit to altering one's mind but the argument in favor of legalization has more to do with the legality of things that are much worse for you and for others than marijuana. If so many other things are legal and often prescribed by doctors, why would anyone want their tax dollars used to lock up people who are of less danger to everyone. Also, your idea of the affects of marijuana are really exaggerated.

[Roberts_the_man]

1st - Irrelevant. Not your decision what to do with my mind. Not my decision to do with your mind. Easy to understand, yes?

2nd - Tell me the benefit of eating pizza. Obviously, those who eat pizza know the risks and rewards of eating pizza. Same with stoners and marijuana.

3rd - Tell me the benefit of jailing marijuana users is greater than the benefit of saving the money used by the drug war and having a great many non-violent "criminals" back to living their daily lives prior to interruption by the nanny-state federal government.

Now we've moved onto pizza? :)) :)) :))

No self respecting American attacks pizza consumption. :)) :)) :))

This sentence just added amazing credibilty to your argument: "Same with :lol:stoners:lol: and marijuana"

The rest is rant city!

[Vaard]

If anyone can tell me the benefit of altering one's mind so that you temporarily go mad, then please do.

only things that are a benefit should be made legal?

anything else that is not a benefit made illegal?

[Vaard]

i love how so called conservatives dont mind laws that restrict a persons liberty just because they agree with the law.........

[fallenturtle]

only things that are a benefit should be made legal?

anything else that is not a benefit made illegal?

And who's going to pay for all those appendectomies?

[Roberts_the_man]

No, your argument lacks credibility. First, marijuana is not addictive,which is what you're implying here. There is no crash upon ceasing use of it.

Second, even if it was, it is not your call what I get addicted to, or what Joe the Plumber gets addicted to, just as it is not my call what you get addicted to.

Where in my post did I mention the words "addictive, addicted" or "crash" after it's use?

Girdlock would imply the act of not having free and full use of your brain after consuming an order of fries or smoking MJ.

Gridlock:Fries nope/MJ yes!

It's hard to follow your ceaseless meandering rants...Are you now or have you recently used MJ? :)) :)) :))

[Roberts_the_man]

only things that are a benefit should be made legal?

anything else that is not a benefit made illegal?

That would be logical for society to outlaw something detrimental to it...Unless making things legal that are a detriment to society makes sense to you? :)) :)) :))

That could be a mindless thread all it's own.

[ramblin_on]

1. Are you saying that people that live in the ghetto are scum? Doyou at all possibly think that maybe just maybe some of the people that live in the poorer neighborhoods are people who do not have money to live in a better neighborhoods.

Not all of them but the scum seems to settle there sooner or later and I'm tired of hearing all about poor people in America. There are no poor people in America, you want to see poor go to Africa or Asia where they are lucky to get one meal a week and are literally starving to death. There are only lazy people in America who want to sit around and whine they can't find a job and throw blame around instead of taking control of their lives and going to work every day.

2. When i was a teen ager, I was able to buy cigarretes, and liquor. You know how, either i'd pay the clerk more, get some older person to do it, or go to stores that didn't care to ID. If my son wants to do those same things, I can't stop them but the government needs to get real serious about the war on drugs because they could stop it if they wanted to, they just need to secure that border to the south.

I don't know how long ago that was but things are a lot different today than they were when I was a teenager. They have a lot of law enforce sting operations going on in stores that sell alcohol and people who don't ask to see ID are getting arrested and the store owners are paying big fines for it. I have two teenage daughters and I talk to my kids I don't talk at them. They tell me that alcohol is much harder to get than drugs. I am thankful that they aren't stupid enough to do drugs, (trust me I've done enough in my day to know if they are lying or not) and hope they stay away from them

3. In the real world, legalizeing drugs will cause MORE people to do drugs. It will cause more problems to society. Thnk about it this way... if I wanted to do drugs right now, i'd have to go out and ask a bunch of people if they knew someone who sold drugs, in that process, i would probably end up implicating myself to a police officer and would be stopped. If drugs were legal, all i'd have to do is go down to he store. It isn't smart and once you legalize marijuana, others will want to legalize it.

Nope sorry, It wouldn't change a thing. People who want to get high, get high and they don't have to ask a bunch of people they know who sells drugs and where they are. Heck, some of the best pot I ever smoked I bought from cops wanting to add a little income to those ridiculus low wages they are paid and the drugs they do confiscate are just a drop in the bucket to dealers, kinda like taxes you know? I am living in the real world and maybe when people like you accept what I am saying we can fix the problems that drug use causes. The way they are going about it now is like fighting the mythical creature the Hydra where you cut off one head and two grow back.

[JStasc08]

That would be logical for society to outlaw something detrimental to it...Unless making things legal that are a detriment to society makes sense to you? :)) :)) :))

That could be a mindless thread all it's own.

You clearly don't seem to understand that there are already things one can do legally that are detrimental to them and to the rest of society. Why choose just a few things to outlaw?

[247]

Poor laws that are unconstitutional... yes.

At least the lawmakers of years gone by realized that banning alcohol was unconstitutional. Thus the 18th amendment. And the 21st, which repealed that one since the ban of alcohol had become constitutional following the 18th.

Two short decades later marijuana is banned. Unconstitutional. However, was there an amendment? No.

Tell me what's unconstitutional about the public will voting to make a substance that only 4% of the world's adult population use. It has psychoactive and physiological effects. It is a hallucinogen and is more toxic than tobacco, which means it's harmful to your health than your average Pall Mall.

If you want teenagers to inhale twenty times more ammonia than they already do if they're smoking cigarettes, then at least openly tell them that they're also taking in five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides, too. Here's a great article to show kids of what to look forward to:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123104017.htm

Every dopehead I've known has grown up to be a thief or have wound up in jail or prison. Sure, there are financially successful people who smoke dope, like trendy airheads and Hollywood celebrities, but they're breaking the law, and that's an inherent character flaw that I have no respect for.

[gdoane]

All that is true... yet painfully misses the point that I was trying to make, which is that legalizing drugs will not cause more usage. People make their own decisions... and those who don't smoke now won't smoke when it's legalized.

It won't be legalized. Tobacco is practically impossible to smoke anymore. The war against marijuana is won because the war against tobacco is won. Smokers suck and aren't welcomed much of anywhere.


You seem to be confusing weed with meth and crack. I know what your feelings are on the subject... I just don't agree with the generalized way you characterize users... especially because I know many people whose ONLY crime is possessing and using marijuana.

I know a few potheads with an admirable work ethic.


Don't talk to me about ethics. You know where criminals are and you haven't contacted law enforcement about their crimes. I'm not taking any lessons on ethics from criminal coddler liberals.

Drinking coffee can be bad for you. Most carbonated soft drinks can be bad for you. Eating a wrongly prepared burger can be bad for you.

That's a non-sequitur.
Try importing beef from mad-cow quarantined areas and see how legal that is. Try importing coffee from Cuba and see how legal that is.

Face it... each and every decision you make to put something into your body has its pros AND cons. Some have more cons than others. Some of those with more cons are legal, while some of those with less cons are illegal.

It's not your body. It's a rental at best. You see, things that you own are things that you can sell, buy or lease. You can't sell your body. Nobody can own you, not even you.

Heck.. just about everything can be bad for you. Did you know that too much water causes over-hydration, which could cause brain damage?

Did you know that there are laws regulating water? They're kind of like the laws regulating drugs, they're for the safety of the public and they protect people from evildoers.

Apparently you can see an evildoer and say nothing about it. Al-Qaeda could be dumping uranium into a city reservoir and you'd be all "none of my business what people put into their bodies" and never call the cops on the bastards.

I hate dopers. I think the argument "my body, my choice" is as despicable for dopers as it is for women to kill off millions of innocent babies. It's a wrong-headed self-serving argument to make.

[Roberts_the_man]

i love how so called conservatives dont mind laws that restrict a persons liberty just because they agree with the law.........

I love how libs advocate disobeying laws that they disagree with.

Liberty is a word that libs flaunt but fail to grasp the implications of.

You willingly obey the law until you overturn it by the proper means w/in a free society. If not the government is supposed to and has the mandate to enforce the laws upon the citizenry. Otherwise chaos and anarchy rule in the place of law and order.

Kinda like Hollywood.

[Roberts_the_man]

You clearly don't seem to understand that there are already things one can do legally that are detrimental to them and to the rest of society. Why choose just a few things to outlaw?

Quit with the if done this way or what about that argument.
Drugs are illegal or controlled for a reason and the reason is they alter brain function and the ability to reason. This affects society, the immediate family members by exposing them and the neighbors to stupid acts performed by witless people under the influence.

BTW - I'm an advocate of outlawing alcohol and tobacco...So don't bring those into the mix.

Most of the rest are just harmful to the individual's health and not to the rest of society. So in that case they can and do take their lives into their own misinformed hands.

Why in deed?

Stoners and MJ and knowing what they're doing: I still love that line! :)) :)) :))

[johnrocks]

You wanna mix guns and drugs?

They already had that party. The leader was General Miguel Noriega. He has prison sentences in three nations.

Just both want to control things that can't be controlled. Birds of a feather should really flock together and that's the gun/drug control advocates.

[247]

Just both want to control things that can't be controlled. Birds of a feather should really flock together and that's the gun/drug control advocates.

Oh, yes, they can be controlled. Try telling that to the stupid backpackers with assault weapons that I've sacked up and sent to prison for a very long time.

[Roberts_the_man]

Just both want to control things that can't be controlled. Birds of a feather should really flock together and that's the gun/drug control advocates.

Gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right and the other is just some silly stoners(I just have to highlight the word again as used by a pro drug poster.) wanting to overturn laws that are for the best of society to enforce and which society has the right to have enacted for their protection.

Unless you think the constitution's writers shouldn't have included that one about guns.

[johnrocks]

Oh, yes, they can be controlled. Try telling that to the stupid backpackers with assault weapons that I've sacked up and sent to prison for a very long time.

Is the assault weapons still out there or just the ones you sacked up and sent to prison? If they work so well(gun/drug control) why is DC have such a high crime rate and drug problem? How many billions do we spend each year on these controls?:eh:

[johnrocks]

Gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right and the other is just some silly stoners(I just have to highlight the word again as used by a pro drug poster.) wanting to overturn laws that are for the best of society to enforce and which society has the right to have enacted for their protection.

Unless you think the constitution's writers shouldn't have included that one about guns.

I personally don't think that we should be so shallow as to cede everyone of our rights to government unless they are listed. Driving isn't listed or eating fast food, should they be banned?

[Poisonshady313]

It won't be legalized. Tobacco is practically impossible to smoke anymore. The war against marijuana is won because the war against tobacco is won. Smokers suck and aren't welcomed much of anywhere. As long as smokers can do so in their own home, in their own car, and outside near anyplace where there is an ash tray... nothing is won against them.

Outlaw smoking in restaurants... and smokers will simply step outside for a moment, have a cig or two, come back... and take who knows how many more smoke breaks before the end of a meal. Pushing up the price doesn't work either. I know people who collect unfinished cigarettes from ash trays and make their own cigarettes.


I'm not taking any lessons on ethics from criminal coddler liberals. I am not a liberal.


Apparently you can see an evildoer and say nothing about it. Al-Qaeda could be dumping uranium into a city reservoir and you'd be all "none of my business what people put into their bodies" and never call the cops on the bastards.

Why can't you make the distinction between what you do to yourself vs. what you do to other people?

If Jimmy smokes a joint, he's only really affected himself.

Al-Qaeda dumps uranium into a city reservoir.... and infects the drinking water for an entire city.

There is a difference.

[Roberts_the_man]

Just both want to control things that can't be controlled. Birds of a feather should really flock together and that's the gun/drug control advocates.

Drug control doesn't indicate that the problem is eliminated at this time....

You just won't see drug use on every corner in my town.

If a user attempts it ... I'll report 'em and he can make the short trip to jail where the lawbreaker drug user belongs.

[247]

Is the assault weapons still out there or just the ones you sacked up and sent to prison? If they work so well(gun/drug control) why is DC have such a high crime rate and drug problem? How many billions do we spend each year on these controls?:eh:

Ask D.C. that. In my own circle, I take care of business. I don't do drugs. Never did. And I don't respect people who are anti-law enforcement and break the law.

I can't speak for others. Why do people break the law? If lunatics and idiots want to run the asylum, then it's obviously not going to be easy fighting that, especially when you have lawbreakers actively undermining and trash-talking law enforcement to the point that lawlessness is glorified in the name of "constitutional rights".

Take the Guadalupe example. If you want to **** in your own nest, then be prepared to sleep in it.

[johnrocks]

Drug control doesn't indicate that the problem is eliminated at this time....

You just won't see drug use on every corner in my town.

If a user attempts it ... I'll report 'em and he can make the short trip to jail where the lawbreaker drug user belongs.

I don't do drugs but I bet I can go get a sack of weed and be back home quicker than I could go to "Bass, Ducks and Bucks" and get a gun and get back home.

[johnrocks]

Ask D.C. that. In my own circle, I take care of business. I don't do drugs. Never did. And I don't respect people who are anti-law enforcement and break the law.

I can't speak for others. Why do people break the law? If lunatics and idiots want to run the asylum, then it's obviously not going to be easy fighting that, especially when you have lawbreakers actively undermining and trash-talking law enforcement to the point that lawlessness is glorified in the name of "constitutional rights".

Take the Guadalupe example. If you want to **** in your own nest, then be prepared to sleep in it.

I don't do drugs,drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes but like you stated..."I don't want to speak for others":hug: